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ECQF Game 4 Post-GTD: Tampa Bay 3, at Red Wings 2

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if only... but seriously what's up with scoring on Bishop? guy's relentless with that stick and super agressive on the puck, It should be allowed to check him.

I was telling a couple buddies watch him, sometimes he looks super lazy in net. Then again I could not be use to it since ours is going a 100mph all over the place to save it.

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I have never really had a problem with you man but what the f*** you talking about lol. I'm no mod but I see nothing wrong with what he said.

Anyways I'll probably be watching game 5 for #13 only.

Also, Wings Twitter saying they'll win in 7 now. Like please god no. Don't put that out there..

It's fine. I was generalizing our Swedish players, but I guess it came off like I was generalizing all Swedish players. My mistake for not calling them out by name.

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It's no different then almost everyone saying Russians don't play D (although it's gotten better). I guess I don't see anything wrong with it.

Anyways I'm mad but not as mad as couple of the regular season losses weird enough. I was hoping for a win obviously but figures they'd let us down somehow. Oh how much the game would've been different had Larkin not hit the pipe and scored.

Only it's demonstrably not true, there are tons of Swedish players with great heart and leadership qualities.

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Just watched the highlights and wow does Mrazek over play everything. All 3 goals he was out of position laterally and you can't tell me TB hasn't spotted that. They make the extra pass and Mrazek is a fish out of water. Needs to tighten up that part of his game for sure.

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It's no different then almost everyone saying Russians don't play D (although it's gotten better). I guess I don't see anything wrong with it.

Anyways I'm mad but not as mad as couple of the regular season losses weird enough. I was hoping for a win obviously but figures they'd let us down somehow. Oh how much the game would've been different had Larkin not hit the pipe and scored.

Isn't a statement like this pretty much the definition of prejudice? Judging an entire race/ethnicity etc. based on a stereotype?

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Just did a comparison with Errorson stats and the top dmen in the league and their contracts. Ericsson was +2 on the season with a goalie that was 13 in the league in GAA (Mrazek). Dekeyser was also +2, he makes almost 2 mil less a year. In comparison Hedman makes the same amount as E. He was 7th in the league in +/- (+21). Carlson makes a shade less this year and the same the next few years, was 13th at +16. E averaged 18:30 toi. 133 other defenseman averaged more. Tied for 25th in the league with 56 penalty minutes out of all Dmen. This is the guy we pay 4 mil a year to, to play defense. Just think of all the other dmen we could have over him that would be better. This was Hollands answer to lidstrom retiring. Since Suter and or Parise didn't work out, he just threw money, long term, to Jonathan freaking Ericsson. I'm sure the same scenario could be compared for abdelkader. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but he's not an elite player. He missed that wide open chance at the end to tie it because the guy has no hands, but he's on the ice in those situations. Holland needs to learn to evaluate players and their worth a whole lot better. And if you want to argue and say he could have gotten the same elsewhere, that's probably true, and they would get the same return on their investment.

You are aware what 4 million a year gets you these days right? E is an inconsistent mess and I wish the 4 million dollars was spent somewhere else but for a d man of his caliber his salary is right in the ball park. There was no answer to Lids retiring, there never was and never will be, don't make it seem like this is Holland's attempt at replacing a guy who can never be replaced.

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Isn't a statement like this pretty much the definition of prejudice? Judging an entire race/ethnicity etc. based on a stereotype?

Not if its the truth, in the history of hockey Russian players have been known to be sub par defensively and superior offensively. It's not the truth for all ( Datsyuk ) but on a large sample size its the truth. No different in the NFL saying that the majority of great QB's have been white, majority of the best RB's have been black. I'm from Canada, we suck at soccer, always have. Brazil does not. It's not racism, prejudice, or politically correct BS, its the truth. A fact.

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Just watched the highlights and wow does Mrazek over play everything. All 3 goals he was out of position laterally and you can't tell me TB hasn't spotted that. They make the extra pass and Mrazek is a fish out of water. Needs to tighten up that part of his game for sure.

Yeah. He's still learning really. For some goalies, even the most promising ones, it takes awhile to get everything dialed in. Carey Price even went through a growth period. For awhile many people doubted he'd become anything. Now is a good time for Mrazek to work on it, because the team doesn't have a chance at winning a cup anytime soon.

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The anemic power play has cost them this series. Maybe a change in personnel in the off season on that front would be a help. Also, get Cheli on board full time somehow to sort this D out! I said we would go in 5 hopefully I'm wrong and we can somehow grab a win on the road and make t he season last a little longer.

Hoping for some moves in the off season

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You are aware what 4 million a year gets you these days right? E is an inconsistent mess and I wish the 4 million dollars was spent somewhere else but for a d man of his caliber his salary is right in the ball park. There was no answer to Lids retiring, there never was and never will be, don't make it seem like this is Holland's attempt at replacing a guy who can never be replaced.

Holland did not prepare for Lidstrom and Rafalski retiring. I'll give you that Rafalski's decision was sudden and not expected, but they were both getting up in age. You cannot replace Lidstrom, I don't think anyone is saying that, but it falls directly on Holland for never addressing that loss in any way, leading up to it and even now. Kronwall is not a top 2 d-man, never has been. Ericsson is a 5/6 guy, Quincey is a conundrum in that he can play lights out defense sometimes, but a lot of times he is just invisible out there. Green was a good pick-up, something we needed. I do get confused as to whether he is deciding to play the way he is, or if the coaching staff is having him do that, but he is not playing in a way that allows him to shine as he did in DC. They need to have him on the first PP always and slapping shots from the point all day long (another thing we've missed since Lidstrom left). DeKeyser had a good year last year, but this year he has been inconsistent at times, out of position, and coughing up the puck too frequently. Marchenko is young and still learning, and Smith is another case of using a player the wrong way. He finally was used appropriately in Game 3 and somewhat in Game 4 and look at him suddenly make an impact.

They have a lot of work to do in the offseason and the worry is that Holland will sit on his hand and keep sitting on this streak. If Datsyuk does indeed leave in the offseason, and Holland chooses to do nothing, we will not be making it 26 years. They need to shake things up a bit. Thank goodness Andersson is leaving as he is redundant and really useless on this team. A2 has proven this season and in the playoffs that whenever he is on the ice, good things tend to happen, so why not play him on the 2nd line at least, give him the opportunity. It makes me want to pull out whatever hair I have left when I see that we've been struggling on the PP and A2 got 21 seconds of PP time all game. Why it doesn't occur to Blashill to put him out there is beyond me, and I hope it's not some sort of hard-headed characteristic that we are seeing because it will be his downfall ultimately if he can't learn from his mistakes.

Mantha is not THE answer, but he NEEDS to be in, in Game 5 to hopefully spark the powerplay and have a chance to extend the postseason. Having a big body like that with the hands he has should help. If we lose, at least he gets the experience and that can't hurt as he will more than likely be starting on the big squad next season.

Yes actually, Im expecting Tampa to put up 6.

My thought is that we finally have an offensive breakthrough on Thursday, but Tampa Bay doesn't slow down either and we lost something like 5-4 in OT. Of course, I can also see us just getting shut out, 2-0. We've proven over 4 games that we can't score anymore than 2 goals a game. That is not a recipe for success, at all.

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Not if its the truth, in the history of hockey Russian players have been known to be sub par defensively and superior offensively. It's not the truth for all ( Datsyuk ) but on a large sample size its the truth. No different in the NFL saying that the majority of great QB's have been white, majority of the best RB's have been black. I'm from Canada, we suck at soccer, always have. Brazil does not. It's not racism, prejudice, or politically correct BS, its the truth. A fact.

Saying that the majority of great QB's have been white, is not prejudice. You are not pre-judging anything, you are simply making an analysis based on statistics.

If you were to say, all whites are good QB's or all blacks are bad QB's, this would be a prejudiced statement.

Saying "all Russians are "insert anything here" is a prejudice statement. It is literally the definition of the word. You are prejudging Russians based on a preconceived notion.

If you were to say that historically a greater number of Russian players are bad at defense in comparison to American players, and you were able to back that analysis up with data, that would not be a prejudice statement.

Do you see the difference?

Don't believe me, call it B.S, I dont care. I'm not continuing to debate about this.

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I read a lot of comments on how Mantha should be up... This is an organization known for developping young players... Larkin, and to some extent, AA, are exceptions and not the rule here...

Few people might not know this but 2 playoff seasons ago when Bishop went down with an injury and Montreal swept TB, Kucherov was not only benched, but flat out scratched from the lineup.....

And look at him now!

I am so not comparing Kucherov to Mantha but putting him in the lineup might hinder his normal development... Let him play full minutes in the AHL playoffs rather than 5-9 mins up here...

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I read a lot of comments on how Mantha should be up... This is an organization known for developping young players... Larkin, and to some extent, AA, are exceptions and not the rule here...

Few people might not know this but 2 playoff seasons ago when Bishop went down with an injury and Montreal swept TB, Kucherov was not only benched, but flat out scratched from the lineup.....

And look at him now!

I am so not comparing Kucherov to Mantha but putting him in the lineup might hinder his normal development... Let him play full minutes in the AHL playoffs rather than 5-9 mins up here...

The reason people want him up is to give him a change to learn from Pasha. Imagine how much Smith would have benefited from playing a few games while Lids was still here.

Would the outcome have been different with him in the lineup? No but he would have learned a lot for the future

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I don't think Howard would have made THAT mistake, of shifting waaaay too far over. That was something that seemed like a 2nd year player mistake, someone who isn't seasoned. I'm not giving Mrazek a pass, as that was a really dumb play, but he was nowhere near the worst player tonight. Not even in the Bottom 5.

Mrazek made a couple of athletic saves tonight Howard wouldn't have been capable of making. That's the end of the discussion in my mind.

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Need to go with these lines:

AA-datsyuk-Tatar

Nyquist-Z-Larkin

Helm-glenny-Abby

Mantha-Richards-sheahan

Maybe switch Tatar and sheahan

Pp

Z-datsyuk-mantha

Green- kronwall

AA- Larkin-sheahan

Smith- Nyquist

Pk: get AA out more

D-pairs

Kronwall-Quincey

Dk-March

Smith-Green

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13 minutes for the most explosive player on the ice last night. Absolute joke. They won't change a damn thing on that putrid PP either. They'll justify it by well we hit the post on our last one. Put AA and Smith on the PP, they can't be any worse than what you have out there now.

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Boy the Wings sure came out flat, but the last half of the game they put about incredible amount of pressure on Tampa and it's just unlucky we couldn't get that third goal.

I don't blame Mrazek, the fault for the loss falls on our special teams. PP is a joke, pk stinks too.

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Sounds like I'm the only one not willing to give Mrazek a pass for this game. The first goal was bad, and the last two goals may have been saveable if he didn't overplay the shooter like he always does. He almost gave up a few wraparounds to boot. Guy is way too wild in net.

Absolutely! I've been saying this all season. I remember a game back in December with him coming way out of the net to challenge while we're on the PK and he got burned. I thought to myself, "Ugh, that sucks, but at least its a learning experience and he'll know NOT to do that". Well... he's still doing it and has been doing it all year, which means either someone is coaching him to play like that or he thinks it works more often than not. When you're on the PK, your goalie can't be flying all over the crease. The opposition can pass faster than he can move from side to side. If he's at the top of the crease and/or over committed to one end of the net, it puts a TON of pressure on our penalty killers to intercept passes because if they don't, more often than not, it'll end up in our net, because Mrazek won't be able to recover. It's good to be aggressive, but not when you're killing a penalty.

Concerning the 3rd Tampa goal, it's a shame because the penalty killers worked hard and nearly killed it off. If you watch the replay, Mrazek slides to his left and then slides a little more, then a little more, by the time he's done sliding, the entire right side is wide open.

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You are aware what 4 million a year gets you these days right? E is an inconsistent mess and I wish the 4 million dollars was spent somewhere else but for a d man of his caliber his salary is right in the ball park. There was no answer to Lids retiring, there never was and never will be, don't make it seem like this is Holland's attempt at replacing a guy who can never be replaced.

Did you not see what I wrote about the other Dmen at the top of those categories making the same as Ericsson? I never he was trying to replace him, just that Ericsson was his response to losing one of the best at the position. A sad, poor answer to losing one of the best. He could have made a much better decision.

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