HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Detroit Red WingsVerified account @DetroitRedWings 5m5 minutes ago UPDATE: The Detroit #RedWings today recalled defenseman Xavier Ouellet from the @griffinshockey.pic.twitter.com/yiEwfVMIuN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Million bucks is just for insurance haha Million bucks is just for insurance haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Typical Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Million bucks is just for insurance haha Million bucks is just for insurance haha Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 54s55 seconds ago Red Wings have called up D Xavier Ouellet. Per Ken Holland, it's "Insurance. Only have 6 d available " Alexey Machenko unwell after G3 hit. haha good call Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I'm surprised XO hasn't gotten more of a look. Must be a cap thing because I think he's better than Marchenko and would probably help the team a decent amount. He's going to have to be up full time next year anyway, I think. 1 wings4thecup06 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 @HeleneStJames: Red Wings have called up D Xavier Ouellet. Per Ken Holland, it's "Insurance. Only have 6 d available " Alexey Machenko unwell after G3 hit. Told ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 If Marchy is okay to play, please play both of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I know not many (if any) will agree with me here, but I think, Sproul > Ouellet > Marchenko... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Is Oullett even healthy? last I saw he was hurt. But that has been a couple of days..... Since we only have 1 game left why not Mantha? or is Holland's Napoleon complex kicking in again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I know not many (if any) will agree with me here, but I think, Sproul > Ouellet > Marchenko... I look at it from a defensive perspective 47>61>48 Really like Sprouls offensive capability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Ouellet missed a couple games last week, but I know he played the last game of the season on Saturday. So yes, he is healthy... I'm kind of surprised to see you say that of all people Matt. Especially with how high you are on Smith... I look at it from an "all around" capability. We have more than enough defensemen that can only play defense. Defensive defensemen are highly overrated in my opinion. I want a defenseman that can skate and move the puck efficiently, not a guy that can block shots because he gets hemmed in his own zone all game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Ouellet missed a couple games last week, but I know he played the last game of the season on Saturday. So yes, he is healthy... I'm kind of surprised to see you say that of all people Matt. Especially with how high you are on Smith... I look at it from an "all around" capability. We have more than enough defensemen that can only play defense. Defensive defensemen are highly overrated in my opinion. I want a defenseman that can skate and move the puck efficiently, not a guy that can block shots because he gets hemmed in his own zone all game... Nope. We have 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I should rephrase that then... We have more than enough defensemen that provide little to no offense... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I should rephrase that then... We have more than enough defensemen that provide little to no offense... That's why I want yandle in the offseason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I know not many (if any) will agree with me here, but I think, Sproul > Ouellet > Marchenko... The problem is all 3 will be pretty much rookies next year and out of waivers , if all 3 stick with the wings it's gonna be a long season, that's why I was pushing for more playing time from the kids Really hating the way holland/Blashill are running stuff of late , at this point wouldnt surprise me if we kept Ericsson and resigned Quincey and got rid of sproul and lose one of ouellet/marchenko Swear if we could "overripe" these kids longer they'd be in Grand Rapids for another 3 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 The problem is all 3 will be pretty much rookies next year and out of waivers , if all 3 stick with the wings it's gonna be a long season, that's why I was pushing for more playing time from the kids Really hating the way holland/Blashill are running stuff of late , at this point wouldnt surprise me if we kept Ericsson and resigned Quincey and got rid of sproul and lose one of ouellet/marchenko Swear if we could "overripe" these kids longer they'd be in Grand Rapids for another 3 years Marchenko played 66 games this year. He's not a rookie. Wings had 250 games played by rookies this year (including Pulk, not technically a rookie, but basically). If we'd been playing kids any more than we already have been in recent years, it would've been the exact thing you think you're complaining about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I think we should be looking to package one of the them in a trade, and my choice would be Marchenko. I think he has the highest trade value and yet the lowest ceiling of the three... Keep Ouellet and Sproul on the roster as our number 6/7... 2 amato and kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Marchenko played 66 games this year. He's not a rookie. Wings had 250 games played by rookies this year (including Pulk, not technically a rookie, but basically). If we'd been playing kids any more than we already have been in recent years, it would've been the exact thing you think you're complaining about. 250 games but for what? Like 5-6 guys? 66 games is hardly gonna make marchenko a grizzled vet though, he'll still make mistakes ... My complaint was how I always wanted to slowly put in some rookies and give them playing time to learn before the next batch came in Athanasiou had played what ? 30+ games? But low minutes so for me he's still gonna be a it behind next year than he should be as Will mantha, ouellet,sproul and whomever comes .... Anyways we'll see what happens I think we should be looking to package one of the them in a trade, and my choice would be Marchenko. I think he has the highest trade value and yet the lowest ceiling of the three... Keep Ouellet and Sproul on the roster as our number 6/7... Marchenko has been pretty solid though , need some stability in the back end even though he won't put up big numbers .... I'd personally rather get rid of Ericsson and Quincey but I doubt Ericsson will go anywhere ... And I'm guessing we trade a Tatar/nyquist for an upgrade in the back end so maybe we will have to lose one of the 3 kids Not that smith has high trade value but any chance with how good he's been these 2 games we ship him with say a nyquist? Could get us a pretty solid dman I would think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I agree that Marchenko is pretty solid, but that's all he is. To me, he's just a filler, not much better than Lashoff was for us a few years ago... Smith is a "pretty solid defenseman" and should not be the one shipped out if we're looking for an upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I agree that Marchenko is pretty solid, but that's all he is. To me, he's just a filler, not much better than Lashoff was for us a few years ago... Smith is a "pretty solid defenseman" and should not be the one shipped out if we're looking for an upgrade. All they need to do is bring in one more impact offensive guy and the core is good IMO DK-marchy Kronwall-yandle Smith-green All pretty mobile, not big but all pretty good puck movers with yandle and green being elite puck movers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 Marchenko isn't a great puck mover, nor is he anything close to a top pairing guy. Anyway, this is beginning to get way off topic. I'd love to see Ouellet in over Ericsson. Unfortunately, no chance that happens... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 250 games but for what? Like 5-6 guys? 66 games is hardly gonna make marchenko a grizzled vet though, he'll still make mistakes ... My complaint was how I always wanted to slowly put in some rookies and give them playing time to learn before the next batch came in Athanasiou had played what ? 30+ games? But low minutes so for me he's still gonna be a it behind next year than he should be as Will mantha, ouellet,sproul and whomever comes .... Anyways we'll see what happens ... That is exactly what has been happening. For the last several years we've been slowly moving in young guys. Marchenko and Larkin basically full-time this year, plus Pulk and AA for a good bit, plus spot time for Mantha, Ferraro, Ouellet, and Nosek, plus Mrazek is still inexperienced. Last year was the first full year from Sheahan and Jurco, Pulk for another fair amount, Ouellet and Marchenko for a bit, Mrazek for a while, spot time for a few more, year before that was the first full year for Dekeyser, Tatar and Nyquist (not quite a full year), plus Sheahan and Jurco for decent time, plus a few others here and there... Yeah, you don't want to have too many guys with too little experience next year, but your solution is that we should have had too many guys with too little experience this year, or the year before, or whatever. We've had a lot of young players stick with the team over a short period of time, and some that didn't stick, and even more to come. No way to do that without at times having an inexperienced roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 I think we should be looking to package one of the them in a trade, and my choice would be Marchenko. I think he has the highest trade value and yet the lowest ceiling of the three... Keep Ouellet and Sproul on the roster as our number 6/7... Trouble is, no one would trade for him. Stable defensive defensemen are a dime a dozen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 No one would trade for him? Obviously no GM is going to be hounding Holland, trying to get him to trade Marchenko, or any of our defenseman for that matter, but every single player has value in package. And that's what I was referring to... 1 Aethernum reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Some small tidbits that struck me when Oullet played for the Wings late last season were.. -The game seemed to go to fast for him at that point. Mind you it was over a year ago. -He didn't know the Red Wings defensive system, particularly on the possession side of things. -Tended to get the puck skating backwards. Which is not all his fault (positioning and flow) but it's always less favorable than getting it on a stride forwards. He could have positioned himself better. +Good individual skills and composure, would not be rattled, be it for hit or aggressive forecheck. ++Showed hesitant but excellent tendencies of breakout skills and puck handling abilities - you could see that he has a high ceiling. I haven't followed the Griffins as much as some folks in here so I really don't know how he has progressed. If anyone that has want to voice in on this I would very much welcome it. Edited April 20, 2016 by Jacksoni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites