Rhah 195 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Although they did outplay the Bolts last night, they are still bad at passing and bad at shooting. Teams with those two attributes aren't going to win many playoff games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 "2nd year in a row we will say we were close, but they find a way to win, we don't. That's something we have to address." -Henrik Zetterberg Interesting quote from Z post game, he doesn't really have the stats the past two years to be saying this to teammates... management maybe? Yup, at least saying it. 2 frankgrimes and Number19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 952 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 We outplayed the bolts for one game, game 3. That's it. So many of our shots were shot directly at Bishop while the bolts seem to rebound from our pressure with better quality chances. What I saw this season was a very frustrating team to watch, due to their obvious inconsistent play and well sometimes it looked like they lacked the will to even be out there. Datsyuk I felt bad for all season, he fell down more times then I can even understand, he was not the same Datsyuk, not even close. Zetterberg we all know has very little gas left in that tank of his unfortunately but he isn't going anywhere so hopefully he can groom these young guns that will all no doubt be playing. I see Holland doing nothing at all. So with whats going to be left I would like to see these guys, in any order to be honest. Nyquist Zetterberg Abdelkader Tatar Larkin Mantha Sheahan Anthanasiou Pulkkinen Helm Glendening Jurco-Miller Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,789 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Blaming Mrazek is like blaming Stuart for losing in...was it 2010? He played amazing, made one goof, and it shouldn't have mattered because we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. If you mean 2009, then yes I still blame Stuart. And it was two gaffes, not one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 We outplayed the bolts for one game, game 3. That's it. So many of our shots were shot directly at Bishop while the bolts seem to rebound from our pressure with better quality chances. What I saw this season was a very frustrating team to watch, due to their obvious inconsistent play and well sometimes it looked like they lacked the will to even be out there. Datsyuk I felt bad for all season, he fell down more times then I can even understand, he was not the same Datsyuk, not even close. Zetterberg we all know has very little gas left in that tank of his unfortunately but he isn't going anywhere so hopefully he can groom these young guns that will all no doubt be playing. I see Holland doing nothing at all. So with whats going to be left I would like to see these guys, in any order to be honest. Nyquist Zetterberg Abdelkader Tatar Larkin Mantha Sheahan Anthanasiou Pulkkinen Helm Glendening Jurco-Miller Sorry but hell no! Z isn't capable of being a number 1 center anymore heck he isn't even good enough to be a top 6 center. Stop ruining what little gas this guy has left in his tank. Also no to Jurco and Pulkinnen trade them for whatever you can get back, I wish them the best on another team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 1 derblaueClaus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Can we somhow have Pav and Z just play the last 30 games of season Edited April 22, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 952 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Sorry but hell no! Z isn't capable of being a number 1 center anymore heck he isn't even good enough to be a top 6 center. Stop ruining what little gas this guy has left in his tank. Also no to Jurco and Pulkinnen trade them for whatever you can get back, I wish them the best on another team. I agree Z should play less. I also could let Jurco go easily, but Pulks need a little more of a chance. That was all based on the assumption that Holland does nothing. I also don't see us loosing Dats and Blash not putting Z on line 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plopster 136 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Is there any chance all our veterans are nursing injuries and they just aren't able to condition themselves to top levels? Or is it that, in the instance of the defense, the guys we have were just better when they weren't defending the opponents top players and they're now being exposed without lidstrom and rafalski? Or have their abilities really dropped off that much? I find it hard to imagine, that yes they're in their 30s, that they could be that much slower and not stay in better form than they appear to be. I mean, with the evolution and advancements in exercise science and supplements available especially for older athletes, I find it hard to believe these guys can't condition to stay close to top form anymore. I know younger guys can wait until closer to the beginning of the season to condition and retain it, but as you age you have to put your time in earlier and earlier. It just seems like, unless they're injured of course, maybe the effort the guys like malty and draper used to put in behind the scenes just isn't being done like that anymore? I mean those guys played at a pretty high level for a long time and really played hard because let's face it, they weren't highly skilled, they just fought harder for everything. I wonder if maybe it isn't time for a change at the strength and conditioning level of the team, and obviously trade and sign a couple better players to make this team more competitive. The coach should still coach better, but it just seems like the talent isn't the only issue. The hunger and spirit doesn't seem to be there and that goes with being healthy and in peak physical form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,789 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 How did GR win the championship a few years ago? It looks to me like Tampa's young players are far better. Maybe they just developed better since then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) How did GR win the championship a few years ago? It looks to me like Tampa's young players are far better. Maybe they just developed better since then. They just look better overall as a team.. Not only their young guys. Better defense and goalie comes to mind? Their young guys do seem to have come a long way in a short amount of time though Edited April 22, 2016 by amato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Blaming Mrazek is like blaming Stuart for losing in...was it 2010? He played amazing, made one goof, and it shouldn't have mattered because we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.He screwed the pooch on the only goal scored. Like was said, of Howard had made that play he'd be the Anti-Christ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwoodsfan 52 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Blaming Mrazek is like blaming Stuart for losing in...was it 2010? He played amazing, made one goof, and it shouldn't have mattered because we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. I don't blame Mrazek, and in fact I like him a lot. But I feel we may not be getting good enough coaching of our goaltenders from Jim Bedard. Both of our guys have -- and in Howard's case has always had -- some technical flaws in their game. Mrazek gets caught out of position and takes wrong angles at times. Howard is horrific at handling the puck. All of our coaches should be under a microscope and I think we might be able to trade up at the back end, at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Is there any chance all our veterans are nursing injuries and they just aren't able to condition themselves to top levels? Or is it that, in the instance of the defense, the guys we have were just better when they weren't defending the opponents top players and they're now being exposed without lidstrom and rafalski? Or have their abilities really dropped off that much? I find it hard to imagine, that yes they're in their 30s, that they could be that much slower and not stay in better form than they appear to be. I mean, with the evolution and advancements in exercise science and supplements available especially for older athletes, I find it hard to believe these guys can't condition to stay close to top form anymore. I know younger guys can wait until closer to the beginning of the season to condition and retain it, but as you age you have to put your time in earlier and earlier. It just seems like, unless they're injured of course, maybe the effort the guys like malty and draper used to put in behind the scenes just isn't being done like that anymore? I mean those guys played at a pretty high level for a long time and really played hard because let's face it, they weren't highly skilled, they just fought harder for everything. I wonder if maybe it isn't time for a change at the strength and conditioning level of the team, and obviously trade and sign a couple better players to make this team more competitive. The coach should still coach better, but it just seems like the talent isn't the only issue. The hunger and spirit doesn't seem to be there and that goes with being healthy and in peak physical form. Just read on mlive that Holland said only injury was Abbys dislocated finger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roboturner 562 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) He screwed the pooch on the only goal scored. Like was said, of Howard had made that play he'd be the Anti-Christ You're right. Howard would be getting torn to pieces. But Howard has a long history of poor puck handling whereas Petr is usually one of the best. Is it going to be like this til Howard leaves? Every time Petr makes a mistake some Jimmy-slappy fan is gonna lament that "if that had been Howard....." We know what would've happened "if it had been Howard". But it wasn't. It was a different goalie with a different skill set at a different stage of his career. That's why there's a different reaction. Edited April 22, 2016 by roboturner 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 He screwed the pooch on the only goal scored. Like was said, of Howard had made that play he'd be the Anti-Christ Because Howard has made a career out of moves like hat. Mrazek hasn't. Yet. And hopefully won't. Again, he made a last second mistake, Howard's usually deflate us at several points during a game. But that's another debate. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Did AA seriously play zero minutes in the third last night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Even though we lost, we lost by one goal, one. Just think if we had things clicking, I think we'd have destroyed them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Even though we lost, we lost by one goal, one. Just think if we had things clicking, I think we'd have destroyed them. is hard to score on a goalie that's not being screened, that plus his monstrous size made the difference on why we got outscored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 is hard to score on a goalie that's not being screened, that plus his monstrous size made the difference on why we got outscored. True but we weren't horrible. We just didn't have any puck luck. 1 NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 It is a little interesting that considering how awful our defense is we still lost because we couldn't score enough goals. Any form of decent offensive output and we would've won this series. 3 chaps80, Hockeymom1960 and NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,914 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 LOL. Now let's talk about what will actually happen. Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader Tatar - Richards - Larkin AA - Sheahan - Mantha Miller - Helm - Glendenning Kronwall - Ericsson DeKeyser - Green Smith - Marchenko Mrazek Howard Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 2016-17 Detroit Red Wings. While I agree this is the most likely scenario, but we won't be able to re-sign Richards or KFQ because of all the raises and Holland's refusal to trade Pav's $7.5M contract. So, we won't be able to afford Richards and KFQ....possibly not even Helm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Holland will end up trading Pav's contract if he leaves for Russia, there's zero doubt about that regardless of what he's said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plopster 136 Report post Posted April 23, 2016 Just read on mlive that Holland said only injury was Abbys dislocated fingerSaw that too. Also saw him say this season was disappointing. Can't remember him saying that recently. Maybe this means he will kick monster truck tires. 2 13dangledangle and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted April 23, 2016 LOL this looks so bad: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites