Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Larkin is a no. That's even according to a lot of insiders.

They wouldn't get many better offers than Mantha, Nyquist, Smith, XO. If they wanted the 1st round pick, then you could leave Mantha off the trade.

Nurse + RNH = much better and helps them now

Kucherov one for one swap because of KHL risk

Larkin may be a no but Holland has to at least consider it. That offer is a pure quantity for quality trade a lot of teams will easily top that.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

It's never going to happen. Our genius GM hasn't moved a significant roster player in 15 years, and that happened when an all time great goalie was practically giftwrapped for him

[kliq 3,755]

Trouba gets 6, leaving 600k to replace Helm. Not enough. That also ignores the fact that Helm has a NTC, and the Jets are more likely interested in a top 6 caliber center, not Helm.

Intangibles are only worth so much, and don't make someone a core player without production to go with it.

I'm not arguing that the trade would not work, I 100% agree with you there. My question was in regards to you saying it wouldn't work cap wise, as I don't agree with that. If you signed Trouba for 6, and then brought up someone from GR to replace Helm, I think you we would be fine even with only 600,000 to spare.

[kliq 3,755]

Nurse + RNH = much better and helps them now

Kucherov one for one swap because of KHL risk

Larkin may be a no but Holland has to at least consider it. That offer is a pure quantity for quality trade a lot of teams will easily top that.

Is Edmonton offering RNH and Nurse?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I dont think they have anyone close to NHL caliber with a cap hit that low

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Is Edmonton offering RNH and Nurse?

Nope. lol and they've said time and time again they won't trade Nurse.

But hey if Frank can think of it, that's just as good right?

[kliq 3,755]

I dont think they have anyone close to NHL caliber with a cap hit that low

Well I would imagine that if Helm were to go, AA would take his spot as third line centre and then AA's spot would be taken by Miller or Ott who are already against the cap. Maybe we only healthy scratch 2 instead of 3? It would work. Either way, doesn't matter as Helm is not going anywhere.

Nope. lol and they've said time and time again they won't trade Nurse.

But hey if Frank can think of it, that's just as good right?

lol, I figured. Seemed like way too much for Trouba. As much as I like the guy, we are not talk PK Subban here. There is a reason why Winnipeg is not willing to put this guy above Buff and Myers on their depth chart.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Nope. lol and they've said time and time again they won't trade Nurse.

But hey if Frank can think of it, that's just as good right?

It's the f****** asking price (top 4 defenseman around the same age, or top 6 center also around the same age) learn and understand the difference between a asking price and offer, thanks. RNH alone won't get them Trouba, neither would Nurse whom I'm a huge fan of because he plays the game the way it's supposed to be played. Trading Nurse would be a mistake no doubt but I doubt someone like Klefbom will return Trouba and they are for sure not trading Larsson after giving up Hall for him.

The Larsson for Hall trade set the benchmark and Trouba is every bit as good as Larsson and also younger. Jets don't have to trade him because technically he is still an RFA, so Cheveldayoff can wait it out for the best offer and then take the best deal. TSN also talked about that and the name Morgan Rielly came up sure the guy has a lot of potential and promise but I'd rather have Trouba who has even more upside and should be paid accordingly.

Edited September 26, 2016 by frankgrimes

[joesuffP 1,746]

Do you people even watch Trouba? He's got a great skill set but he's far from an established top pairing defenseman

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Do you people even watch Trouba? He's got a great skill set but he's far from an established top pairing defenseman

Not many 22 year olds are. He has the potential though

[kipwinger 8,524]

Ugh. I really hate to get into the trade for Trouba hype, but this just makes too much sense to me. We need a young righty defenseman. The Jets want an established left shooting defenseman, and the Ducks want(ed?) a left wing PP specialist?

To Detroit:

Trouba

To Winnipeg:

Fowler

To Anaheim:

Nyquist+

[krsmith17 7,191]

Pretty much exactly what I said earlier... I just really feel like I'm going to be disappointed when nothing materializes out of all of this. Unfortunately I just don't see Holland pulling off a trade of this magnitude. If he were able to somehow pull this off, it would put us a year or two ahead in this rebuild...

[kliq 3,755]

Trade value in the NHL is a tricky thing, one trade may effect the market, but it does not define it. If it did then the Tyler Seguin trade would have had a huge ripple effect. Just because Chiarelli and Bergevin made dumb trades (ie. Seguin/Hall and Subban trades) it doesn't mean that everyone else will.

A player is only as valuable as the team that is trading for him makes him out to be. If we were in June, I think the market for Trouba would have been sky high. So many teams with so much cap space, really anything could happen and likely Winnipeg would have been given a big offer, I can see why Winnipeg's fans are pretty pissed with the handling of this situation. We all saw it first hand with the horrible trades made by both Montreal and Edmonton. With that being said, what Trouba's value is now in September is not necessarily the same as what it was back in June. It could be even higher (doubt it), it could be lower, it all depends on what teams are willing to trade.

In addition, one other thing people are not taking into consideration here is the fact that Trouba is an unsigned RFA who is requesting a trade at a very young age, this is a turn off to a lot of GM's. Winnipeg can trade him wherever they want, but the team that trades for him is going to want some assurance that Trouba is going to sign for a rate they can afford. If Trouba and his camp don't give that to them, that is a problem.

My gut tell me that Trouba will not go to Detroit, because I think some team out there will offer a package better then what we can offer if we are not going to include Larkin, Mrazek, and DD. Though, I definitely think we have a shot as we are a team I believe Trouba would love to come to as we are in his home state, we have a lot of good young talent, and he would instantly be our #1D.

We will have to wait and see what happens.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Well, I'm not sure about that, but I think it would be a solid move. I'm less blown away by Trouba than most are, but I could handle losing Nyquist plus a middling piece to get him. Then again, it would all depend on what his contract demands are. I don't think, at this point, that he's a 5 million dollar defenseman. And definitely not a 6 million dollar guy. If he'd sign a reasonable bridge deal to play for us, something like 4.5 million x 4 years, I'd feel really good about it. Then, if he develops into the stud he's heralded to be, then give him big money as an FA when he's 26. Completely reasonable. If he wants big money now, as an RFA, and after not really proving much to this point, then I don't want him.

[kliq 3,755]

Out of curiosity, if Winnipeg offers Trouba for DD......would people take it? Word is that they are looking for a left handed D-man.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

I would not.

I like the 3 team deal....but I'm greedy and want both Trouba and Fowler.

[krsmith17 7,191]

One for one? Yes I would. But there's no way Cheveldayoff would make that trade. Besides, it doesn't really make a ton of sense for us either. We'd be getting the better player, but the point in getting Trouba would be to have someone to pair with DeKeyser. Who then would be pair with Trouba? My pick would be Smith, but I'm sure there are plenty here that would laugh pretty hard at that...

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Not actually. I've said before pair Smith with DD on the top and let's see what he does with 25+ mins a game...if we stand pat with what we have.

[kliq 3,755]

The reason why I bring DD up is because I'm reading his name on a lot of sites. Here is just one example: http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/25/jets-trade-options-for-trouba

I would do it, but that would be my absolute last resort.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Honestly, if they wanted DD, I'd go for the cheaper option in Fowler. DD is part of our future. A huge part. Like mentioned we are acquiring another D to play with DD, not replace him.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Three way trade involving Fowler and Trouba makes too much sense... Make it happen Holland!

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I'd move Dekeyser for Trouba in a one for one swap, because as GM I'd be rebuilding and in 3 years a 25 year old Trouba would be more valuable to me than a 29 year old Dekeyser if he comes close to his ceiling.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Three way trade involving Fowler and Trouba makes too much sense... Make it happen Holland!

Last three way trade Holland pulled involved Kyle Calder and Jason Williams.... this has nothing to do with anything

[mackel 681]

I'd move Dekeyser for Trouba in a one for one swap, because as GM I'd be rebuilding and in 3 years a 25 year old Trouba would be more valuable to me than a 29 year old Dekeyser if he comes close to his ceiling.

^^^ THIS

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Last three way trade Holland pulled involved Kyle Calder and Jason Williams.... this has nothing to do with anything

Let us not forget the 3 way with Colorado and Tampa where we gave a 1st for KFQ.