Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[DickieDunn 2,571]

A lot of NHL players can score 20 goals if you put them in the right situation. The question is what else can they do? With Pulk, the answer is not much.

[kickazz 5,459]

Yeah 20 goals from Pulk won't impress me. I thought the guy was supposed to be a pure goal scorer. Given the oppurtunity to play (will you Blash?) I'd expect him to score 30+

The main reason folks don't have an issue with guys like Ovie sucking on defense is cause Ovie scores like 50 goals. If Pulk ain't doin jack on the defensive side then he needs to be scoring like a goal scorer. Not 50, but 30 sounds reasonable. Maybe not next year but at least in 2 years.

Settin the standards high.

Edited May 4, 2016 by kickazz

[VM1138 1,921]

I'll point out the obvious here: there is no reason to expect Pulkinnen to score 20 NHL goals unless he learns to hit the net, skates better, gets bigger and stronger (or maybe he just plays small?), and somehow manages to shave a second or two off of his telegraphed-way-in-advance-slap shot. And even then he's a one trick pony with a skill that you can only really get away with if you're Ovechkin.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Kronwall getting opinions on his bad knee.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/05/02/detroit-red-wings-niklas-kronwall/83840966/

Is having his coach drastically reduce his minutes ideally part of the opinion?

Edited May 4, 2016 by GoWings1905

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Is having his coach drastically reduce his minutes ideally part of the opinion?

what would be the situation, cap wise, if Kronwall was forced to retire through injury?

[kickazz 5,459]

what would be the situation, cap wise, if Kronwall was forced to retire through injury?

Probably not good. The longer a player plays for the team the higher the cap recapture penalty I think. Capgeek had a calculator but since the website's been gone I can't find any other source to do the calculation

[marcaractac 3,962]

Probably not good. The longer a player plays for the team the higher the cap recapture penalty I think. Capgeek had a calculator but since the website's been gone I can't find any other source to do the calculation

If injury is what prevents Kronwall from playing, they'll have him sit out his contract on LTIR rather than retire. Much like Franzen. If there is a cap recapture penalty involved, I'd imagine management would do whatever it takes to avoid it.

[laporte15 3]

Anybody have an opinion on Frk? He's out of options and is finally producing down in GR. I read an article today from St.James, but who knows where he'll end up. Former 2nd rounder maybe he earns a spot in camp.

[Jacksoni 418]

I am getting more and more convinced that we need to save our guns and then fire a huge broad salvo at Anaheim Ducks for either Vatanen or Lindholm.

They are potential franchise type players. I'm confident Anaheim won't let Lindholm go - he's just too good to let go, but our salvo consisting of appeasing forwards sprinkled with draft picks might loosen them up and land us Vatanen, who is a legit top 4 slated to be a top pairing D-man.

Coupled with DeKeyser I can see the beginnings of something promising on the defensive side.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I hope we keep Frk as our 13th/14th forward going into next season.

If we're trading for a defenseman, Vatanen is way down on my want list, but that's just my opinion. I think he's overrated...

[kickazz 5,459]

If injury is what prevents Kronwall from playing, they'll have him sit out his contract on LTIR rather than retire. Much like Franzen. If there is a cap recapture penalty involved, I'd imagine management would do whatever it takes to avoid it.

Yeah LTIR is probably best route. But I don't think Kronwall is injured enough to not completely play. Which is why he won't go on LTIR. He's basically injury prone with a bad knee. With Franzen, the guy couldn't even function off the ice. (Apparently he still gets headaches and can't drive on the road time to time) Edited May 4, 2016 by kickazz

[Jacksoni 418]

I hope we keep Frk as our 13th/14th forward going into next season.

If we're trading for a defenseman, Vatanen is way down on my want list, but that's just my opinion. I think he's overrated...

I see where you're at with this. I do believe Vatanen is a top 4 defenseman but has a much lower ceiling than what I really want, which is Lindholm. He is at #1 at my want list.

My thinking is, shake things up in Anaheim with a good proposal by checking what they ask for either one. As it stands they are probably going to have to let one of them go.

If we can get Lindholm do it, even if it's costly. Offer for Vatanen as a consolation prize with reduced payback to Anaheim. He would still place top 4 within our system.

[marcaractac 3,962]

I see where you're at with this. I do believe Vatanen is a top 4 defenseman but has a much lower ceiling than what I really want, which is Lindholm. He is at #1 at my want list.

My thinking is, shake things up in Anaheim with a good proposal by checking what they ask for either one. As it stands they are probably going to have to let one of them go.

If we can get Lindholm do it, even if it's costly. Offer for Vatanen as a consolation prize with reduced payback to Anaheim. He would still place top 4 within our system.

I wouldn't hate getting Vitamin by any means, but I do feel like Trouba would be a better fit.

[krsmith17 7,191]

If we're ponying up the assets it would take to get Lindholm, I'd prefer we spend the same assets and go hard after Trouba. But Lindholm would probably be my second option. Vatanen would be one of my last picks out of the rumored defensemen available...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Unfortunately don't think anaheim will be willing to part with lindholm .... As for vatanen I'd be down for him but only if we got rid of mike green as I see them being similar type d's although vatanen is better and younger but I see them both as being capable of putting up numbers but hardly being great defensively

Mike green to Edmonton for a pick and we pay a million per off the cap and give vatanen 4-5 per year

Otherwise forget vatanen and try and get a better dman and prospects from teams

[kipwinger 8,520]

Vatanen is a shrimp. No thanks. We need a workhorse. I like Vatanens shot and puck moving ability but he will always be a complimentary piece given his size. Same issue I have with Shattenkirk.

Edited May 5, 2016 by kipwinger

[krsmith17 7,191]

I agree that Vatanen is a complimentary piece, and we need someone that is, or has a high probability of developing into a number one defenseman. aka Trouba.

I got to say though, I find it odd that you throw the "midget" word out there, and then you call someone out today for using the word "retarded"... I do think the latter word may be more offensive, but only slightly. Both are derogatory...

[kipwinger 8,520]

Good point. I'll retract the former comment.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Anybody have an opinion on Frk? He's out of options and is finally producing down in GR. I read an article today from St.James, but who knows where he'll end up. Former 2nd rounder maybe he earns a spot in camp.

Similar to Pulkkinen. Ability to score against lower competition, but game doesn't translate against bigger, faster, smarter players.

[kipwinger 8,520]

I'm not so sure they're so comparable. Frk is bigger and can protect the puck better against bigger guys so his speed is less of an issue than Pulks. Plus I think he gets his shot off quicker, but that's just my assessment. Frk reminds me of a poor mans Vanek or Moulson. Both are slow, but big enough to play in high traffic areas.

[marcaractac 3,962]

Similar to Pulkkinen. Ability to score against lower competition, but game doesn't translate against bigger, faster, smarter players.

That may be the case in the end, but Frk is bigger and does play a heavier game than Pulk does. He won't be pushed off the puck as easily, which may give him a shot at sticking around.

He also works his ass off and has the right attitude on always trying to be better. He is a guy who will always work on the flaws in his game.

Edited May 5, 2016 by marcaractac

[Juklitz 85]

I'm confident Anaheim won't let Lindholm go - he's just too good to let go

Why not to count in Fowler? Vatanen/Lindholm are RFAs, good contract control, still very young.

[Jacksoni 418]

Why not to count in Fowler? Vatanen/Lindholm are RFAs, good contract control, still very young.

I heard several interviews during this season that Anaheim won't let Fowler go so I disregard him for now. He's worthy of pursuing as well of course.

[Juklitz 85]

Right, but we all know where and how did their season end.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Just curious .... Who would most of you want to keep if one of marchenko or ouellet were to be traded in a deal?

Gotta think sproul due to being right handed and 6'3 and capable of helping us on the powerplay we won't risk losing him on waivers and we're gonna give him a look since we had trouble scoring

So I'm thinking marchenko/ouellet one of those will be dealt ... Marchenko is in the NHL now and none will put up huge numbers but I'd very much rather keep ouellet , he reminds me a bit of Vlasic

As for Jensen ... Anyone have any opinions on him? He won NCAA award for best dman I believe , then a few years back he missed a whole season I think and he's gonna be 26 so gotta think he gonna be a depth guy? If someone claims him he'd have to be in the lineup correct? Can't see anyone putting him in the NHL right away unless he plays great in the exhibition games