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Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

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Just curious .... Who would most of you want to keep if one of marchenko or ouellet were to be traded in a deal?

Gotta think sproul due to being right handed and 6'3 and capable of helping us on the powerplay we won't risk losing him on waivers and we're gonna give him a look since we had trouble scoring

So I'm thinking marchenko/ouellet one of those will be dealt ... Marchenko is in the NHL now and none will put up huge numbers but I'd very much rather keep ouellet , he reminds me a bit of Vlasic

As for Jensen ... Anyone have any opinions on him? He won NCAA award for best dman I believe , then a few years back he missed a whole season I think and he's gonna be 26 so gotta think he gonna be a depth guy? If someone claims him he'd have to be in the lineup correct? Can't see anyone putting him in the NHL right away unless he plays great in the exhibition games

Marchenko and Sproul are both righties. I would really hate to lose any of them without at least seeing what Sproul and Ouellet can do at the NHL level. I like Marchenko a lot as a defensive d-man who makes good decisions and doesn't turn the puck over.

Unfortunately at this point it looks like Jensen won't get his chance in the NHL, at least with Detroit. He is the only one of the group who was never called up, even Sproul played one game in Detroit a couple of seasons ago.

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I'd much rather keep Ouellet and Sproul, because both have much higher ceilings than Marchenko my opinion. Unfortunately though, I think Ouellet may end up being the odd man out. Sproul is the main one I want to keep, even if he's just the number 7 next season. I still have high hopes for him, and I think he could become a potential replacement for Green in the next year or two. Jensen, I think will be exposed to waivers, and I do think he'd probably clear.

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I'd much rather keep Ouellet and Sproul, because both have much higher ceilings than Marchenko my opinion. Unfortunately though, I think Ouellet may end up being the odd man out. Sproul is the main one I want to keep, even if he's just the number 7 next season. I still have high hopes for him, and I think he could become a potential replacement for Green in the next year or two. Jensen, I think will be exposed to waivers, and I do think he'd probably clear.

Why do you think marchenko will be here instead of ouellet though?any possibility marchenko was being played to be showcased? He's even playing for Russia as we speak which could be a good thing

Personally I know it won't happen but I'd keep all 3 and keep sproul as the 7th and rotate him in with injuries and rotating him in between a few dmen

I'd trade Ericsson to Edmonton/Dallas and not resign Quincey and try and make a trade with another team for a dman if possible , I know it though one of ouellet/marchenko will most likely be dealt though

Won't happen but I'd also trade mike green to the oilers and pay 1 mill off the cap if need be ,he didn't impress me and I'd much rather have vatanen(I'd only go for vatanen if green could be dealt) as I see him as being a younger option and right now I think he'd be better on the ppl and put up more points

But obviously the goal is to find a stud 1-2 dman but that's easier said than done

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Just a feeling I guess. I hope you're right and they have been showcasing him though.

I mentioned trading Ericsson to Edmonton a few days ago, retaining a million for a 3rd round pick. Not sure if it's doable, but Holland should at least be making a few phone calls...

I've expressed how I feel about trading for Vatanen. I wouldn't do it. I think the amount we'd have to give up to get him, wouldn't be worth it. We need a number one defenseman and Vatanen definitely isn't one. I'd much rather just keep Green for the time being...

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This is my official offseason wish list. None of it will happen, but a boy can dream.

1. Datyuk's contract+Pulkkinen to whomever for the cap relief.

2. Let Richards, Quincey, Miller, and Andersson walk.

3. Draft best available offensive defenseman.

4. Sign Alexander Radulov 3 years, 4.5 million.

5. Sign Kyle Okposo, 7 years, 5.5 million

6. Trade Gustav Nyquist and some comgination of Jurco, Ouellet, and Sproul for Cam Fowler.

7, Re-sign Darren Helm, 7 years, 3.5 million.

8. Promote Mantha and Callahan and Tangredi

Radulov-Larkin-Abby

Tatar-AA-Okposo

Z-Sheahan-Mantha

Helm-Glendening-Callahan

Tangredi

Fowler-Dekeyser

Kronwall-Green

Smith-Marchenko

Ericsson

*Mic Drop*

*picks mic up off floor*

1. Trade Mantha, Nyquist, Ouellet, 2017 1st for Subban

2. Trade Svechnikov, Tatar, Marchenko for Trouba

3. Trade 2016 1st + Pulkkinen to move up in 1st round

4. Draft Jake Bean

5. Trade Howard for 2016 3rd

6. Let all UFAs walk

7. Sign Okposo

8. Sign Radulov

9. Convince Datsyuk to stay to play with Radulov

10. Move Ericsson to forward

11. Promote Callahan, Frk, Tangradi, Sproul, Coreau

12. Fire Ferschweiler

Abdelkader - Datsyuk - Radulov

Athanasiou - Larkin - Okposo

Ericsson - Zetterberg - Jurco

Sheahan - Glendening - Callahan

Frk

Tangradi

DeKeyser - Subban

Smith - Trouba

Kronwall - Green

Sproul

Mrazek

Coreau

*politely places mic back on stand*

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*picks mic up off floor*

1. Trade Mantha, Nyquist, Ouellet, 2017 1st for Subban

2. Trade Svechnikov, Tatar, Marchenko for Trouba

3. Trade 2016 1st + Pulkkinen to move up in 1st round

4. Draft Jake Bean

5. Trade Howard for 2016 3rd

6. Let all UFAs walk

7. Sign Okposo

8. Sign Radulov

9. Convince Datsyuk to stay to play with Radulov

10. Move Ericsson to forward

11. Promote Callahan, Frk, Tangradi, Sproul, Coreau

Abdelkader - Datsyuk - Radulov

Athanasiou - Larkin - Okposo

Ericsson - Zetterberg - Jurco

Sheahan - Glendening - Callahan

Frk

Tangradi

DeKeyser - Subban

Smith - Trouba

Kronwall - Green

Sproul

Mrazek

Coreau

*politely places mic back on stand*

Not bad at all I agree with most of your ideas. I have suggested moving Ericsson to net front presence/forward a couple of times on the forums before. Given that we are stuck with him, let's use his size and let him sweat it out at the crease.

Some of your moves are not possible I'd reckon, for instance Datsyuk wouldn't be coming back because of Radulov. But if they were, I'm good with them.

Addon:

I am hearing good things about Marchenko such as him having much more upside that we have seen from good sources, I'd like to keep him a little longer to see if that's true.

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*picks mic up off floor*

1. Trade Mantha, Nyquist, Ouellet, 2017 1st for Subban

2. Trade Svechnikov, Tatar, Marchenko for Trouba

3. Trade 2016 1st + Pulkkinen to move up in 1st round

4. Draft Jake Bean

5. Trade Howard for 2016 3rd

6. Let all UFAs walk

7. Sign Okposo

8. Sign Radulov

9. Convince Datsyuk to stay to play with Radulov

10. Move Ericsson to forward

11. Promote Callahan, Frk, Tangradi, Sproul, Coreau

Abdelkader - Datsyuk - Radulov

Athanasiou - Larkin - Okposo

Ericsson - Zetterberg - Jurco

Sheahan - Glendening - Callahan

Frk

Tangradi

DeKeyser - Subban

Smith - Trouba

Kronwall - Green

Sproul

Mrazek

Coreau

*politely places mic back on stand*

So trade all our prospects/players and picks and call up tangredi and Callahan who won't have NHL careers ... Makes sense

and as much as you and I would love together trouba jets won't want svechnikov and Tatar , have you seen they're top 6? The crazy prospects the have coming up ?theyd probably want defense more than anyone which we don't have

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So trade all our prospects/players and picks and call up tangredi and Callahan who won't have NHL careers ... Makes sense

and as much as you and I would love together trouba jets won't want svechnikov and Tatar , have you seen they're top 6? The crazy prospects the have coming up ?theyd probably want defense more than anyone which we don't have

So of all the things wrong with my post the thing you take the most exception to is who I have slotted in as our 12th/13th/14th forwards? Makes sense...

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@Bannedforlife.

As much as I was an advocate of Datsyuk not declining as much. The playoffs made me realize he can no longer be a first line center. Obviously he didnt decline nearly as bad as Zetterberg did. But there is no way in hell that Datsyuk should be playing 19+ minutes a night in the NHL anymore. Perhaps have AA and Larkin as your 1st and 2nd line centers and slide Datsyuk into third line center with Zetterberg as his winger. Everything else in your post is pretty good.

I agree Ericsson should be a forward.

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So of all the things wrong with my post the thing you take the most exception to is who I have slotted in as our 12th/13th/14th forwards? Makes sense...

So of all the things wrong with my post the thing you take the most exception to is who I have slotted in as our 12th/13th/14th forwards? Makes sense...

Like I said your getting rid of all our players/prospects and picks and just keeping non important guys putting them in the lineup (guys who won't be nhlers )

Only prospect we'd have left is like bertuzzi who's a 3rd-4th line guy, same as turgeon

And like I said jets are stacked upfront they would want nothing to do with adding more forwards from us for trouba

@Bannedforlife.

As much as I was an advocate of Datsyuk not declining as much. The playoffs made me realize he can no longer be a first line center. Obviously he didnt decline nearly as bad as Zetterberg did. But there is no way in hell that Datsyuk should be playing 19+ minutes a night in the NHL anymore. Perhaps have AA and Larkin as your 1st and 2nd line centers and slide Datsyuk into third line center with Zetterberg as his winger. Everything else in your post is pretty good.

I agree Ericsson should be a forward.

Yes datsyuk is aging .... But his linemates are helm and Richards , it's f***en sad and pathetic he had to play with those 2 in his last season most of the time

How do you expect datsyuk to rack up the points playing with those guys

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Like I said your getting rid of all our players/prospects and picks and just keeping non important guys putting them in the lineup (guys who won't be nhlers )

Only prospect we'd have left is like bertuzzi who's a 3rd-4th line guy, same as turgeon

And like I said jets are stacked upfront they would want nothing to do with adding more forwards from us for trouba

Yes datsyuk is aging .... But his linemates are helm and Richards , it's f***en sad and pathetic he had to play with those 2 in his last season most of the time

How do you expect datsyuk to rack up the points playing with those guys

Datsyuk WANTED Guys like Abby or Helm on his Wing. And at his age, he needs help with the dirty work. Do not understand why people still ***** about his linemates when it's what he wanted.

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Yeah Datsyuk has said it a hundred tmes he wanted Helm, Abdelkader and when he didnt have them he even went as far as calling out the coaching staff. Do people tunnel vision facts?

Like all people do is blame the coaches but in reality Datsyuk is the one who wants certain linemates. Just because ya'll dont like Helm or Abdelkader doesn't mean Datsyuk doesn't.

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Datsyuk WANTED Guys like Abby or Helm on his Wing. And at his age, he needs help with the dirty work. Do not understand why people still ***** about his linemates when it's what he wanted.

Well if that's what he wanted then he was a f***en idiot and blinded by loyalty and friendship

Wanted to play with the veterans ... Maybe helm to help fetch the puck but he should of had a nyquist/Tatar/jurco some kid full time who can skate and maybe finish off plays , helm is a great third liner but not a finisher, same as Richards

Anyway as it's just my opinion, what do I know

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It's not loyalty. He wants someone to do the dirty work cause he's a playmaker who needs his space on ice. He doesn't care who it is. He needs big guys on his lines. He even liked having Mantha because of the net front presence. Not to mention Holmstrom way back in the day,

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Like I said your getting rid of all our players/prospects and picks and just keeping non important guys putting them in the lineup (guys who won't be nhlers )

Only prospect we'd have left is like bertuzzi who's a 3rd-4th line guy, same as turgeon

And like I said jets are stacked upfront they would want nothing to do with adding more forwards from us for trouba

Yes datsyuk is aging .... But his linemates are helm and Richards , it's f***en sad and pathetic he had to play with those 2 in his last season most of the time

How do you expect datsyuk to rack up the points playing with those guys

In my scenario we'd be replacing Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, Miller, Richards and Pulkkinen from the forward roster with Okposo, Radulov, Ericsson, Callahan, Frk and Tangradi. Overall these are positive changes. If it turns out that Callahan or Tangradi cant cut it Im sure there will be no shortage of cheap 4th line grinders/pk guys looking for jobs. On the back end we'd be replacing Ericsson, Quincey and Marchenko from the roster with Subban, Trouba and Sproul. Again, these are positive changes.

Sure, it would be a bummer to give up Mantha and Svechnikov if they end up developing like we hope they will. But I think having potentially the best blue line in the league for the next 5-10 years would make up for it.

Edit: As to your second point about the Jets not being interested in our forwards; I dont know much about their prospect pool but this year the Jets only had 1 winger who out scored Tatar and that was Wheeler. And even if their forward prospects are the bomb, still doesnt mean that they wouldnt be interested in an experienced winger who has put up 30 goals in THIS league. Personally, I think Tatar - Scheifele - Wheeler would be lethal

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1- it's the job of the coaching staff to make roster calls, not the players. Datsyuk should have been told it's not working, he's getting different linemates.

2- maybe it was sarcasm.

3- if he really does want Helm and Abby on his wings, and the coaches won't say no, just make him the shut down line center and replace Glendening's line with scoreray.

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Lol definitely not sarcasm. I'm shocked that people still don't know what's been going on for nearly a decade.

Datsyuk has always had a subpar net front presence , dirty worker on his line. Since 2007 (Tomas Holmstrom). Ya'll in denial or something?

Holmstrom

Bertuzzi

Abdelkader

Helm

Since 2007 he's had one of those guys on his line. And that includes the two 97 point seasons Datsyuk had. He thrived with players who created space for him.

He also had 65 points in 63 games with Helm on his line last year. The best PPG on the roster.

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1- it's the job of the coaching staff to make roster calls, not the players. Datsyuk should have been told it's not working, he's getting different linemates.

2- maybe it was sarcasm.

3- if he really does want Helm and Abby on his wings, and the coaches won't say no, just make him the shut down line center and replace Glendening's line with scoreray.

Coaches are not usually dictators - they take advice or suggestions from players especially vets or elite talents. Would Datsyuk be better with pure goal scorers beside him? maybe. Maybe they wouldn't get the chance to do the finesse stuff 'cause they can't get the puck out of the corners. I do think Datsyuk has a good idea of what he needs to succeed.

P.S. It's bothered me for the year - or however long - you've had it: You're Maple Leaf joke in your signature is misspelled.

Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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just heard the islanders are looking for a winger to play with Tavares

Nyquist? Gotta think he'd get 30+ with Tavares , my thought on this is then using hamonic in a return and shipping him to Winnipeg in a deal for trouba

I find it very hard to think jets will trade trouba but maybe landing hamonic and a salary of about 4 million might do the trick And hamonic is from Manitoba and wants to return close to home .... Problem is Edmonton might go after him and depends on whether islanders would want eberle or Nyquist

Maybe something like ...

Islanders get - nyquist,marchenko

Redwings get - trouba

Jets get - hamonic,2017 first

Probably more would have to be added, picks exchanged .. Anyways doubt trouba gets dealt but the,key would be landing hamonic off the islanders and shipping him to Winnipeg

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Datsyuk criticizes offense, praises Radulov.

Datsyuk told Lysenkov that offense was the main issue this season: "Our attack was messed up the whole season. We had to strengthen it. And this problem got in the way of the Stanley Cup."

He endorsed Alexander Radulov, saying he "would strengthen any attack."

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/05/pavel_datsyuk_talks_red_wings.html

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I mean our defense sucks but as a defensive group they are pretty solid but in today's NHL a defensemen has to do more than just play defense. Puck possession has to be much better and that's on the forwards and defense. The issue is not enough talent through the lineup

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Datsyuk criticizes offense, praises Radulov.

Datsyuk told Lysenkov that offense was the main issue this season: "Our attack was messed up the whole season. We had to strengthen it. And this problem got in the way of the Stanley Cup."

He endorsed Alexander Radulov, saying he "would strengthen any attack."

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/05/pavel_datsyuk_talks_red_wings.html

Radulov makes a ton of sense. My only concern would be Kenny thinking that one acquisition by itself would be enough.

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Don't know why more people don't support signing this guy.

He instantly becomes our best forward... And given our lack of goal scoring ability, I don't really think were in a position to whine about "attitude" problems from 9 years ago.

That's pretty questionable. He put up good numbers with Nashville a few years ago, but pretty comparable to Nyquist, Tatar and Larkin. Maybe he doesn't have an attitude problem anymore, but if he does, that's not another problem we need to take on right now.

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