Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[krsmith17 7,191]

I wasn't sure where to put this, but apparently Hamonic has rescinded his trade request. So I guess the need to head back to Western Canada (close to home) isn't there anymore, and he's content to stay in New York... I guess the only reason this would be at all relevant here is for those that were looking at three way trades to land Trouba...

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Look guys Radulov is a stud end of, he would be our most potent offensive weapon straight off the bat. We need a top forward as I feel Pav is gone and Z ain't going to get any more productive period. Tats and Gus are secondary scorers at best I just don't see them taking on the load and void that Pav and Z are going to leave. Stamkos and Radulov would fill it straight off, giving the likes of Larkin and Mantha, and dare I say Svechnikov, who for me is an outside bet for a roster place, more time to grow into top line players.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I wasn't sure where to put this, but apparently Hamonic has rescinded his trade request. So I guess the need to head back to Western Canada (close to home) isn't there anymore, and he's content to stay in New York... I guess the only reason this would be at all relevant here is for those that were looking at three way trades to land Trouba...

Well that sucks

Basically see a zero % chance of getting trouba now as they won't let him go without getting another dman and we sure as hell ain't trading dekeyser

[Jacksoni 418]

Well that sucks

Basically see a zero % chance of getting trouba now as they won't let him go without getting another dman and we sure as hell ain't trading dekeyser

That's right. Just empty the Trouba possibility from the list. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Time for Kenny Holland to focus on Anaheim and Lindholm/Fowler/Vatanen, in desired order.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Jacksoni

[krsmith17 7,191]

I disagree that a three way trade involving Hamonic was our only chance to land Trouba. It's obviously a long shot, but Winnipeg aren't exactly hurting on the back end. With a solid top 4 locked up long term and Morrisey ready to step in, I don't think they'll necessarily be looking for a top pair guy in return...

1st round picks are very valuable, which is why I'd be reluctant to trade one away, but for a top pair defenseman like Trouba, I would for sure. Obviously they would want more than a pick, but maybe a Nyquist / Tatar and Ouellet / Marchenko would be enough to get it done. Maybe not, but the point is, I don't think the Jets would only listen to offers including a Hamonic type player in return...

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

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[Mrazberries 1]

Alright, Idk if anyone has really thrown up a way that they want this team to look next year, but I have a proposition.

Tatar-Stamkos-Mantha

Radulov-Larkin-Athanasiou

Zetterberg-Sheahan-Nyquist

Miller-Glendening-Abdelkader

Dekeyser-Marchenko

Green-Smith

Kronwall-Ouellet

Mrazek

Enroth

Scratches: Jurco*, Pulkinnen*, Sproul.

*subject to trade to shed Datsyuk's cap hit that would allow us to sign both Stamkos and Radulov.

Ericsson and Howard are traded to Carolina and Calgary respectively for mid-late round draft picks and/or mid level prospect(s).

None of this is probably logical, but, I'm hopeful that Holland can grow a pair and pull this off.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Mrazberries

[marcaractac 3,961]

Well that sucks

Basically see a zero % chance of getting trouba now as they won't let him go without getting another dman and we sure as hell ain't trading dekeyser

Trouba would be moved because the Peg has too many dmen. Why would they demand one in return? If they have a need on defense, they simply keep him. If they got a dman back in a trade, it's a prospect.

[BadgerBob 297]

Alright, Idk if anyone has really thrown up a way that they want this team to look next year, but I have a proposition.

Tatar-Stamkos-Mantha

Radulov-Larkin-Athanasiou

Zetterberg-Sheahan-Nyquist

Miller-Glendening-Abdelkader

Dekeyser-Marchenko

Green-Smith

Kronwall-Ouellet

Mrazek

Enroth

Scratches: Jurco*, Pulkinnen*, Sproul.

*subject to trade to shed Datsyuk's cap hit that would allow us to sign both Stamkos and Radulov.

Ericsson and Howard are traded to Carolina and Calgary respectively for mid-late round draft picks and/or mid level prospect(s).

None of this is probably logical, but, I'm hopeful that Holland can grow a pair and pull this off.

I like that roster. However I'd like to see some combination of Nyquist/Jurco/D prospect(s)/pick traded for a top defenseman and add a physical 4th liner whether that's from the Griffins or outside. Kinda like this:

Tatar-Stamkos-Mantha

Radulov-Larkin-Athanasiou

Zetterberg-Sheahan-Abdelkader

Miller-Glendening- *Physical 4th line acquisition

Dekeyser- *#1 defenseman (I'm hoping Trouba)

Green-Smith

Kronwall-Marchenko/Sproul

Mrazek

Enroth

[marcaractac 3,961]

I like that roster. However I'd like to see some combination of Nyquist/Jurco/D prospect(s)/pick traded for a top defenseman and add a physical 4th liner whether that's from the Griffins or outside. Kinda like this:

Tatar-Stamkos-Mantha

Radulov-Larkin-Athanasiou

Zetterberg-Sheahan-Abdelkader

Miller-Glendening- *Physical 4th line acquisition

Dekeyser- *#1 defenseman (I'm hoping Trouba)

Green-Smith

Kronwall-Marchenko/Sproul

Mrazek

Enroth

Only thing I'd change here is to let Miller walk, keep Helm, and give Jurco a full time spot. Of course I think Okposo would be a much better fit than Radulov as well. But if we got Stammer I'd be able to stomach Radulov as a Wing. I'd also hope to keep Goose over Tatar, but one of them likely has to go at this point.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I couldn't agree more marcaractac. Not going to happen but a dream roster would be something like...

Athanasiou - Stamkos - Mantha

Abdelkader - Larkin - Okposo

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Jurco

Sheahan - Glendening - Helm

Frk - Callahan

DeKeyser - Trouba

Smith - Green

Kronwall - Marchenko

Sproul

Mrazek

UFA

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Trouba would be moved because the Peg has too many dmen. Why would they demand one in return? If they have a need on defense, they simply keep him. If they got a dman back in a trade, it's a prospect.

Who are these too many dmen ? Let me ask you a simple question ... Who would you rather have ? Trouba or Myers? Trouba or enstrom? Trouba or mark Stuart? I think the answer would easily be trouba so why wouldn't they trade either of those before even considering trading trouba unless they got a dman of equal value? Trouba is younger than them with much higher upside

Only dman who's better on Winnipeg who they might not trade before trouba is byfuglien but he's also in his 30s now

All this trouba trade talk from Winnipeg side was because he apparently was asking for a ton of money but he's still young and no rights so he won't be going anywhere

Trouba is better than any d prospect a team might trade him ... Prospects still haven't played in the NHL and have question marks with them and besides morissey jets don't have much really coming in the back end

They are golden upfront and wouldn't want a nyquist or anything we have to offer .... Unless we're willing to part wing dekeyser and + we have no chance

[krsmith17 7,191]

Who would you rather keep if you had to trade one, planning for the future? Ericsson or Ouellet? Kronwall or Russo? Green or Sproul? I think for most of those, most people would choose to keep the latter and trade the former... However, that likely wouldn't be the case. Ericsson, Kronwall and Green all have no trade clauses, so it is much easier to trade one of the kids. Likewise, Myers, Enstrom and Stuart all have no trade / no movement clauses, so it is much easier to move Trouba. You also have to consider the fact that Trouba holds much more value in a trade, and could return some very valuable assets.

Management of any team is forced to make difficult decisions from time to time and this is definitely one for Cheveldayoff. Obviously the rumors didn't start because he wanted Trouba out, I'm betting Trouba has let it be known that he is unhappy being third string behind Byfuglien and Myers, and may have even requested a trade. I'm sure Trouba would absolutely love going home to Michigan, so Holland needs to do whatever he can to pony up some assets, and get a deal done. I'll say it again, our 16th overall pick in this year's draft would be extremely valuable to a team like Winnipeg, and it would be well worth losing it if we could land Trouba. I'm not saying we have a great or even good shot in getting him, because chances are another GM will offer more than Holland, but don't be shocked if Trouba is moved at some point, possibly before the season starts...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Who would you rather keep if you had to trade one, planning for the future? Ericsson or Ouellet? Kronwall or Russo? Green or Sproul? I think for most of those, most people would choose to keep the latter and trade the former... However, that likely wouldn't be the case. Ericsson, Kronwall and Green all have no trade clauses, so it is much easier to trade one of the kids. Likewise, Myers, Enstrom and Stuart all have no trade / no movement clauses, so it is much easier to move Trouba. You also have to consider the fact that Trouba holds much more value in a trade, and could return some very valuable assets.

Management of any team is forced to make difficult decisions from time to time and this is definitely one for Cheveldayoff. Obviously the rumors didn't start because he wanted Trouba out, I'm betting Trouba has let it be known that he is unhappy being third string behind Byfuglien and Myers, and may have even requested a trade. I'm sure Trouba would absolutely love going home to Michigan, so Holland needs to do whatever he can to pony up some assets, and get a deal done. I'll say it again, our 16th overall pick in this year's draft would be extremely valuable to a team like Winnipeg, and it would be well worth losing it if we could land Trouba. I'm not saying we have a great or even good shot in getting him, because chances are another GM will offer more than Holland, but don't be shocked if Trouba is moved at some point, possibly before the season starts...

Just because trouba might be easier to move doesn't mean you move him , we've seen plenty of players get traded with no trade/no movement clauses ... We're trying to trade one now in Howard

You said it trouba has more value than the others if they traded him ... That's because he's far better which makes it very unlikely they would trade him

This is hardly a difficult decision for the jets gm .... Would I love to add trouba? Course and I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong

Trouba wants to go back to Michigan? So what ... How many players would love to go back home but don't? Trouba wants to come to Detroit it'll likely have to be as a Ufa

And yes I would be very very shocked if trouba gets dealt as the jets are a young up and coming team and he's gonna be one of the core pieces in the back end for the future

If the jets want the 16th pick so badly they can offer the 21st and I believe 36th pick without giving trouba up and holland would take that in a heartbeat

[marcaractac 3,961]

Trouba is a likeliest trade target because they have their other top dmen locked up. Come next summer when there is an expansion draft, their hand will be forced in to protecting others. So they can trade Trouba now rather than risk losing him next year for nothing.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I don't get why you're so adamant that there's no way a player that was rumored to be traded just a few short months ago could get traded... Like I said, I'm not saying that we will get him, or even that he will be traded beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the possibility is definitely there. If Trouba wants out because he is unhappy playing on the third pair, he could very well have requested a trade. I didn't say "just because" of any one thing, he "will" get dealt, I'm saying you factor in a lot of things, and he "could" get dealt...

Yes, we're trying to trade Howard, and I'd say there is just as high a probability that Trouba gets traded because they are unable to move any of the other players with clauses, as us being able to move Howard. Goaltending is a difficult comparison because there are usually only two options on the team. There's no way we're trading Mrazek, so it's either we're able to trade Howard or we keep both of them. I'll go back to the defense, since that's what we're actually comparing. Every fan wants to trade Ericsson, and I wouldn't be shocked if the thought hasn't at least crossed Holland's mind. However it would be very difficult to trade him with the no trade clause, just as it would be to trade any of the top four in Winnipeg. Yes, players with no trade clauses are traded, but it's not exactly a common occurrence. Again, I'm not saying he WILL get traded, I'm just saying that the possibility is there, and if he is being shopped, Holland needs to be all over it...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

There's a lot of players who request to get dealt and never get dealt ... We just saw it happen to drouin

I think the big thing with trouba was he wanted big $ and jets weren't willing to give him 7-8 per, which th shouldn't ... Again we seen a lot of kids trying to avoid the bridge deal and get the big coin that never get what they were after

We all want trouba here because we know how good he will be, that being said the jets are very much aware of this as well and will do everything to convince him to stay and with Kyle Conner coming and laine as well as a bunch of other promising forwards coming and already there Winnipeg is looking like a place to stick around with trouba himself and byfuglien being the best dmen on the team

You just said it were gonna keep mrazek and Howard if we have to, cause there's no way we're mrazek ... Why wouldn't the same apply to the jets? They can ask Myers/enstrom to allow them to seek a trade and if they say no they stay with all the pieces

I'm assuming your talking about expansion? It's been said only players with no movement clauses will be protected and Myers doesn't fit that bill and there's no way the jets value Myers more than trouba ... No way

Yes if trouba is on the block holland had to look at it .... If it happens I don't think we might have the pieces as I don't think they'd be interested in a nyquist or forwards , and again I don't think they'll trade him

Sorry if that frustrates you but that's my take on it , he's too valuable an asset to move especially considering there on the verge of being a yearly playoff team very soon

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

There's a lot of players who request to get dealt and never get dealt ... We just saw it happen to drouin

I think the big thing with trouba was he wanted big $ and jets weren't willing to give him 7-8 per, which th shouldn't ... Again we seen a lot of kids trying to avoid the bridge deal and get the big coin that never get what they were after

We all want trouba here because we know how good he will be, that being said the jets are very much aware of this as well and will do everything to convince him to stay and with Kyle Conner coming and laine as well as a bunch of other promising forwards coming and already there Winnipeg is looking like a place to stick around with trouba himself and byfuglien being the best dmen on the team

You just said it were gonna keep mrazek and Howard if we have to, cause there's no way we're mrazek ... Why wouldn't the same apply to the jets? They can ask Myers/enstrom to allow them to seek a trade and if they say no they stay with all the pieces

I'm assuming your talking about expansion? It's been said only players with no movement clauses will be protected and Myers doesn't fit that bill and there's no way the jets value Myers more than trouba ... No way

Yes if trouba is on the block holland had to look at it .... If it happens I don't think we might have the pieces as I don't think they'd be interested in a nyquist or forwards , and again I don't think they'll trade him

Sorry if that frustrates you but that's my take on it , he's too valuable an asset to move especially considering there on the verge of being a yearly playoff team very soon

Myers does have a NMC in effect for when the expansion draft occurs.

So yes it does create quite the issue for them.

I see Trouba eventually getting dealt to the East. He'd be a perfect addition for us.

[marcaractac 3,961]

There's a lot of players who request to get dealt and never get dealt ... We just saw it happen to drouin

I think the big thing with trouba was he wanted big $ and jets weren't willing to give him 7-8 per, which th shouldn't ... Again we seen a lot of kids trying to avoid the bridge deal and get the big coin that never get what they were after

We all want trouba here because we know how good he will be, that being said the jets are very much aware of this as well and will do everything to convince him to stay and with Kyle Conner coming and laine as well as a bunch of other promising forwards coming and already there Winnipeg is looking like a place to stick around with trouba himself and byfuglien being the best dmen on the team

You just said it were gonna keep mrazek and Howard if we have to, cause there's no way we're mrazek ... Why wouldn't the same apply to the jets? They can ask Myers/enstrom to allow them to seek a trade and if they say no they stay with all the pieces

I'm assuming your talking about expansion? It's been said only players with no movement clauses will be protected and Myers doesn't fit that bill and there's no way the jets value Myers more than trouba ... No way

Yes if trouba is on the block holland had to look at it .... If it happens I don't think we might have the pieces as I don't think they'd be interested in a nyquist or forwards , and again I don't think they'll trade him

Sorry if that frustrates you but that's my take on it , he's too valuable an asset to move especially considering there on the verge of being a yearly playoff team very soon

But Meyers DOES have a NMC.

If they feel like trading Trouba now makes their team better, they'll do it. Sure they won't give him away. He has the tools to be a really good top pairing dman. It's not like he is gonna become OEL. If that was the case I'd agree they'd try and retain him. But with the expansion draft looming, many teams will want to move players for assets they won't have to protect. Combined with the fact that we will have too many important forwards to protect, which is why I think Tatar or Goose won't be a Wing next season.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Myers does have a NMC in effect for when the expansion draft occurs.

So yes it does create quite the issue for them.

I see Trouba eventually getting dealt to the East. He'd be a perfect addition for us.

Nope it doesn't

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/move-to-jets-has-helped-tyler-myers-rejuvenate-a-career-that-was-stagnating-in-buffalo/

At the bottom it says ... No trade clause kicks into the 2016-2017 season

So they have time to deal him , and he has a no trade clause so the jets wouldn't be forced to protect him over trouba

But Meyers DOES have a NMC.

If they feel like trading Trouba now makes their team better, they'll do it. Sure they won't give him away. He has the tools to be a really good top pairing dman. It's not like he is gonna become OEL. If that was the case I'd agree they'd try and retain him. But with the expansion draft looming, many teams will want to move players for assets they won't have to protect. Combined with the fact that we will have too many important forwards to protect, which is why I think Tatar or Goose won't be a Wing next season.

No he doesn't , read the link above

What does Tatar or goose have to do with anything ? I'm sorry man just because we might want to get rid of Tatar/Gus doesn't mean the jets would want them

Laine wheeler scheifele Conner ehlers little ... Top 6 right there and I'm sure they have other forwards but it escapes me now and a ton of kids/prospects coming .... They don't need help upfront

Trust me when I say I'd love to land trouba, just don't see it happening

I'd be more then happy to come here and say I was wrong though

[krsmith17 7,191]

The thing is, I don't think a single person said they think he's coming here... All anyone is saying is that he may get traded and IF he does, Holland should be all over it. I mean, he was in trade rumors just a few months ago, and will likely be again leading up to the draft and training camp. And no, the rumor doesn't mean he will get traded, it just means there's a chance. And again, that's all anyone is saying here. I just find it crazy that you're so adamant about him not being moved...

[marcaractac 3,961]

Nope it doesn't

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/move-to-jets-has-helped-tyler-myers-rejuvenate-a-career-that-was-stagnating-in-buffalo/

At the bottom it says ... No trade clause kicks into the 2016-2017 season

So they have time to deal him , and he has a no trade clause so the jets wouldn't be forced to protect him over trouba

No he doesn't , read the link above

What does Tatar or goose have to do with anything ? I'm sorry man just because we might want to get rid of Tatar/Gus doesn't mean the jets would want them

Laine wheeler scheifele Conner ehlers little ... Top 6 right there and I'm sure they have other forwards but it escapes me now and a ton of kids/prospects coming .... They don't need help upfront

Trust me when I say I'd love to land trouba, just don't see it happening

I'd be more then happy to come here and say I was wrong though

When did I ever say the Jets wanted Goose or Tatar? I simply said I don't think the Wings keep both.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

The thing is, I don't think a single person said they think he's coming here... All anyone is saying is that he may get traded and IF he does, Holland should be all over it. I mean, he was in trade rumors just a few months ago, and will likely be again leading up to the draft and training camp. And no, the rumor doesn't mean he will get traded, it just means there's a chance. And again, that's all anyone is saying here. I just find it crazy that you're so adamant about him not being moved...

Believe everything was due to money and it'll be worked out ... The reasons you'd want holland to jump on him are the same reasons the jets would want to keep him , hes a very good young defensemen with loads of potential and as we all can see after this season , those are very hard players to come by and you don't just let them go

We'll see what happens

When did I ever say the Jets wanted Goose or Tatar? I simply said I don't think the Wings keep both.

Your right, you didn't ... My bad

Your right teams will move assets which will make draft day more exciting this year if expansion is coming , I just believe the jets would rather trade Myers or convince enstrom to be traded before trouba

[LeftWinger 4,936]

So wait, NMC'S have to be protected but NTC'S dont?

Edited May 12, 2016 by LeftWinger

[amato 3,210]

So wait, NMC'S have to be protected but NTC'S dont?

Correct. That's what's being reported anyway

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/04/29/report-in-expansion-draft-teams-must-protect-players-with-no-movement-clauses/

Fun fact: David Clarkson has a NMC