Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[Juklitz 85]

They are already upgrading with Parayko, they can get top value for him and he will be very expensive to resign, asking for 8yrs somewhere around 6M AAV what would be quite tricky for StL.

Pulk/Sproul/4th for Shattenkirk? Ehehe..you mad? Would you let go Larkin for something like Jaskin/Fabbri and 4th?

No. He´s going into his prime, one the best D in the league. Asking price will be much higher, even considering the fact he´s ufa next year.

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

We're just going to get a guy getting ready to retire signed for one year. That's what I expect.

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

Elias

[Aethernum 276]

They are already upgrading with Parayko, they can get top value for him and he will be very expensive to resign, asking for 8yrs somewhere around 6M AAV what would be quite tricky for StL.

Pulk/Sproul/4th for Shattenkirk? Ehehe..you mad? Would you let go Larkin for something like Jaskin/Fabbri and 4th?

No. He´s going into his prime, one the best D in the league. Asking price will be much higher, even considering the fact he´s ufa next year.

You missed something.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

They are already upgrading with Parayko, they can get top value for him and he will be very expensive to resign, asking for 8yrs somewhere around 6M AAV what would be quite tricky for StL.

Pulk/Sproul/4th for Shattenkirk? Ehehe..you mad? Would you let go Larkin for something like Jaskin/Fabbri and 4th?

No. He´s going into his prime, one the best D in the league. Asking price will be much higher, even considering the fact he´s ufa next year.

Shattenkirk one of the best d in the league? That's just ridiculous

Id pass on shattenkirk , yes he can put up numbers but he's really overrated

[kickazz 5,459]

Id pass on shattenkirk , yes he can put up numbers but he's really overrated

How is he "overrated" if he can put up numbers. That argument makes no sense. Edited May 31, 2016 by kickazz

[krsmith17 7,191]

So there are no players in the league that "put up numbers" (literally every player in the league puts up numbers), that are not overrated?

Shattenkirk not only puts up numbers, he's a pretty productive player, but I still consider him overrated... I would take him on our team in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't drastically overpay for him, which is probably what it's going to take...

[laporte15 3]

Tyson Barrie anyone?

[kickazz 5,459]

So there are no players in the league that "put up numbers" (literally every player in the league puts up numbers), that are not overrated?

Shattenkirk not only puts up numbers, he's a pretty productive player, but I still consider him overrated... I would take him on our team in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't drastically overpay for him, which is probably what it's going to take...

No. Not every player in the league can "put up numbers". There's those defenseman that score and those that don't. The fact that Shattenkirk can do it as a defenseman is obviously a good thing for us since we need more scoring. And he'd likely mesh well with Blashill's system.

Shattenkirk has a lower cap hit than both Kronwall and Green (he's at $4.3 million) and better possession numbers and scoring than Kronwall and on par with Green (however Shattenkirk is a penalty killer too). If anything I'd say Shattenkirk is rated pretty well and Mike Green was overrated when we gave him the $6 million. It all depends on what we would have to give up but there's no way I'm buying an argument that Shattenkirk is overrated. No one is calling him a Norris finalist - all I've heard from the media is that he may be one of the defenseman available worth trading for. Which is true since there's not many D-men available anyways. I don't think he should be our first target though. But if it happens I won't be upset. I think he'll end up being worth it. He's a young guy that might be built for the Blashill style.

Edited May 31, 2016 by kickazz

[VM1138 1,921]

Why are we still discussing this is there's been no indication he'd be available other than the "cap problems" we predict for almost every team every year that rarely materialize?

[krsmith17 7,191]

Yes. Literally every player puts up "numbers". How many numbers a player puts up determines whether or not they are considered a "point producer"...

Shattenkirk will be at $4.25M for one more season, then he's a UFA after next season. Because he is somewhat overrated league wide, you can be guaranteed he will get $6M+.

Like I said, I'd love to have Shattenkirk, but I wouldn't drastically overpay to get him. I agree though that he'd be a really good fit for Blashill's system.

[kickazz 5,459]

Lol I don't know about that even Datsyuk had zero points this playoffs. When people say "oh yea player x puts up numbers" it's a phrase used to indicate people who score. I've never heard of someone use the term "Oh yeah Jonathan Ericsson can put up numbers". Shattenkirk can score. He's a point producing and puck moving defenseman. He's an offensive defenseman. He can put up numbers. Ericsson can't. That's the way I think of it.

[Echolalia 2,961]

I would take Shattenkirk. Quincey may not be back next year and our defense was already anemic with him in the lineup. The alternative is likely Marchenko or Oulette, and although half of LGW thinks one of these guys might be the next Dekeyser, I'd much rather have a sure thing in Shattenkirk and all he brings. Frankly, we need it.

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

I would take Shattenkirk because he has a cool name same as I would take Clutterbuck and I like Clutterbuck not just because he has a cool name!

[kylee 727]

Elias

3 year NMC let's go

[Echolalia 2,961]

I would take Shattenkirk because he has a cool name same as I would take Clutterbuck and I like Clutterbuck not just because he has a cool name!

I forgot about this good point

[kickazz 5,459]

I would take Shattenkirk. Quincey may not be back next year and our defense was already anemic with him in the lineup. The alternative is likely Marchenko or Oulette, and although half of LGW thinks one of these guys might be the next Dekeyser, I'd much rather have a sure thing in Shattenkirk and all he brings. Frankly, we need it.

What would you be willing to give up though.

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

I forgot about this good point

See! My logic makes perfect sense

[marcaractac 3,962]

I would take Shattenkirk. Quincey may not be back next year and our defense was already anemic with him in the lineup. The alternative is likely Marchenko or Oulette, and although half of LGW thinks one of these guys might be the next Dekeyser, I'd much rather have a sure thing in Shattenkirk and all he brings. Frankly, we need it.

I don't think anyone on LGW expects Marchenko or XO to be the next Dekeyser. I've seen people hope that at least one can become a top 4 dman. That's about it.

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

XO will be a top four defenseman not too sure about Marchenko although he had a good WC and I think I read somewhere he has more offensive ability than he's shown with the wings, likely because of the s***ty Holland/Babcock system I guarantee all our players would produce more in a more plausible system. If Holland makes no moves & the brass keep him around & we miss the playoffs it's time to let him go, he can take soft Blash with him because so far the team doesn't seem to be ready for games and the power play has gone to s*** on a skilled speedy team that should be able to rely on the PP. I feel like he didn't discipline or drill players hard enough one of two or a combination of both

[Echolalia 2,961]

What would you be willing to give up though.

Jimmy Howard and Jimjam's virginity.

I don't think anyone on LGW expects Marchenko or XO to be the next Dekeyser. I've seen people hope that at least one can become a top 4 dman. That's about it.

It was an exaggeration. My point is I don't think either of those players are going to be much in the NHL, and LGW tends to overvalue our prospects, and think we can just plug them in if we lose a guy like Quincey without changing the complexion or competitiveness of the team. Right now, even top 4 is beyond my expectations for either of them.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I would take Shattenkirk. Quincey may not be back next year and our defense was already anemic with him in the lineup. The alternative is likely Marchenko or Oulette, and although half of LGW thinks one of these guys might be the next Dekeyser, I'd much rather have a sure thing in Shattenkirk and all he brings. Frankly, we need it.

Dekeyser isnt even as good as some people think

[krsmith17 7,191]

Haha kickazz, who the hell says player x "puts up numbers"? Puts up points? Yes. Is a point producer? Yes. Puts up numbers? Sounds dumb to me... Datsyuk's numbers have been steadily declining the past few years. Athanasiou put up decent numbers for a rookie. Glendening's numbers are s***. You know what all of these players have in common? They all play hockey and they all put up "numbers", just at varying rates...

Anyway, this argument is dumb, we just have different opinions on the terminology. We agree that Shattenkirk puts up solid points from the back end, we agree that he would be a good addition, we just disagree on his value. I think he is a very good defenseman, I just think he's being overrated. But then again, what player doesn't get overrated when they're rumored to be moved? Maybe I'm over rating Trouba too, but Trouba is a player I'd overpay for, Shattenkirk, not so much...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Trouba is young and big and full of potential where as shattenkirk is pretty much at the level he's gonna stay at

I'm not gonna start looking at everyone's stats but someone who use to put numbers just a few years ago anyway as well was Tobias enstrom who wasn't a big dman as well and didn't bring much else to the table ... Shattenkirk might be abit better but he's in the same ballpark

Someone mentioned mike green before .... He's pretty much what mike green was when he was with the caps ... And what we're stuck with now in green is where shattenkirk is headed soon enough

There's a reason the blues are shopping shattenkirk over pietrangelo and bouwmeester

[joesuffP 1,746]

Quincey wasn't very good. He won't be getting top 4 money from any other teams