Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[kickazz 5,459]

Haha kickazz, who the hell says player x "puts up numbers"? Puts up points? Yes. Is a point producer? Yes. Puts up numbers? Sounds dumb to me...

Apparently this guy does. Which was who I initially responded to anyway. I knew exactly what he meant in his original post. See below. Referring to Enstrom's 50 points seasons ("used to put up numbers a few years ago").

I'm not gonna start looking at everyone's stats but someone who use to put numbers just a few years ago anyway as well was Tobias enstrom who wasn't a big dman as well and didn't bring much else to the table ... Shattenkirk might be abit better but he's in the same ballpark

Edited June 1, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Your funny

Want a current comparable ... Keith yandle , puts up numbers doesn't do much else , go ask the Rangers if they don't regret giving up duclair and what else they did to acquire him

Shattenkirk isn't a great defender , he's been hurt last few seasons .. He was - 14 this season on a very good blues team and that's with him putting up numbers

It would be a waste of good assets to acquire him and a waste of salary cap it would take to lock him up longterm

[kickazz 5,459]

Your funny

Want a current comparable ... Keith yandle , puts up numbers doesn't do much else , go ask the Rangers if they don't regret giving up duclair and what else they did to acquire him

Shattenkirk isn't a great defender , he's been hurt last few seasons .. He was - 14 this season on a very good blues team and that's with him putting up numbers

It would be a waste of good assets to acquire him and a waste of salary cap it would take to lock him up longterm

So just to be clear when you say he "put up numbers, and doesn't do much else", you mean he can score a good amount but not defend for the life of him?

I'm not trying to poke fun at you or anything, I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

Edited June 1, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Obviously ... If we're gonna spend 7 + per on a dman and give up really good assets he'd better be good 2 way and be able to kill penalties as well

[kickazz 5,459]

The thing is, Shattenkirk can kill penalties if need be (he's done it for St. Louis) and he's a good puck moving defenseman with decent possession metrics. Many analytics consider defenseman who are good puck movers along with good possession metrics to be good at "defense" as well.

It all depends on your view of what defense truly is. And I'm not sure if he'll be paid $7 million after his contract is up.

Edited June 1, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Analytics ... What a load of bs that nonsense is ... Analytics would of said Konstantinov wouldn't of been good then

I'm sure someone will give shattenkirk 7 per ... There's always a sucker

Off topic here ... Anybody here know if we have any drafted prospects to sign or we risk losing them ? Does Christopher ehn have to be locked up or is he already? I know axel holmstrom is but I don't know about ehn

[krsmith17 7,191]

Ex-Senators coach Dave Cameron talking to Red Wings...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Ya I'm not sure about us talking to Dave cameron after the season the sens had

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Ya I'm not sure about us talking to Dave cameron after the season the sens had

The Sens are not a playoff team.

You can only do so much with an owner like Melnyk.

Penny-pincher who routinely throws everyone around him under the bus.

[WingedWheel91 271]

Your funny

Want a current comparable ... Keith yandle , puts up numbers doesn't do much else , go ask the Rangers if they don't regret giving up duclair and what else they did to acquire him

Shattenkirk isn't a great defender , he's been hurt last few seasons .. He was - 14 this season on a very good blues team and that's with him putting up numbers

It would be a waste of good assets to acquire him and a waste of salary cap it would take to lock him up longterm

Erik Karlsson also "puts up numbers", "isn't a great defender" and was -2 this season - but could very easily win the Norris trophy in 2016.

There are very few Nick Lidstrom's who play every part of the game at an elite level - so to compare positional players by generalizing their abilities into: Good at this/Not good at that/OK at this categories is unproductive in my opinion. What matters at the end of the day, is how valuable a player can be to his team... I'm not an advocate of over-paying for anyone, but to argue that Shattenkirk won't fit with the Red Wings because all he does is "put up numbers" is profoundly dumb. Keep in mind, he ranked 19th in NHL defence scoring (which was 1st on his team) and missed 10 games - but did this from the 2ND Pairing at both even strength, and on the powerplay.

I remember losing to the Tampa Bay Lightning in 5 games because we literally didn't have anyone who "put up numbers" - especially on the back end.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

And yet after everything you posted shattenkirk is being shopped instead of sticking around even with 19th ranking for defence

Your down for shattenkirk , I'm certainly not ... To each his own

As for karlsson he's a point a game player and the best offensive defensemen, period ... He's -2 but also gets you 75-82 pts a season ... Not 40-45 , can't even compare them to eachother

[WingedWheel91 271]

And yet after everything you posted shattenkirk is being shopped instead of sticking around even with 19th ranking for defence

Your down for shattenkirk , I'm certainly not ... To each his own

As for karlsson he's a point a game player and the best offensive defensemen, period ... He's -2 but also gets you 75-82 pts a season ... Not 40-45 , can't even compare them to eachother

Shattenkirk is being shopped because of the salary cap and not his play.

My entire point was that you can't compare players simply based on assets/flaws... Through that lens, Karlsson and Shattenkirk are very similar players - but we all know who is more valuable.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

There's always a way to keep him if they wanted to (trade bouwmeester, or other assets) and his salary isn't that high next season ... This would be his 3rd team already

We know who is far superior which is why even comparing them is ludicrous .... Might as well compare Patrick kane with someone who has the same skills but half the points

I'd say yandle/shattenkirk are good comparables, but that's just my opinion

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

There's always a way to keep him if they wanted to (trade bouwmeester, or other assets) and his salary isn't that high next season ... This would be his 3rd team already

We know who is far superior which is why even comparing them is ludicrous .... Might as well compare Patrick kane with someone who has the same skills but half the points

I'd say yandle/shattenkirk are good comparables, but that's just my opinion

You're stating that like it's a lot... He's played almost entirely for one team. Just one half season before he was traded very early in his career.

How is this a negative? In fact that's below average in terms of a player's movement over 400 games.

[Dominator2005 558]

There's always a way to keep him if they wanted to (trade bouwmeester, or other assets) and his salary isn't that high next season ... This would be his 3rd team already

We know who is far superior which is why even comparing them is ludicrous .... Might as well compare Patrick kane with someone who has the same skills but half the points

I'd say yandle/shattenkirk are good comparables, but that's just my opinion

They might opt to keep JAYBOUW since he's lefty and already nice partner for Pietro... and he will be cheaper once that Shatty will sign a new contract. No one is expecting Shatty to be new Lidstrom but I can see him as a Rafalski 2.0 which will definitely improve our team. They have Parayko (RH) who's ready for top 4 minutes.

From all players that might be available (based on all rumors) my wishlist would look like:

1. Shatty

2. Barrie (can't see Avs trading with us)

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Vatanen

Thing is, neither of them will make us Stanley Cup contenders... we will need more help:

1. Top 2 Def (preferably RHD)

2. Physical Stay-at-home Def

3. Scoring (Power) Top Six Forward

4. Physical Bottom Six Forward

We needs to get bigger, tougher to play against and we definitely needs to find a way to score more goals.

Edited June 2, 2016 by Dominator2005

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

You're stating that like it's a lot... He's played almost entirely for one team. Just one half season before he was traded very early in his career.

How is this a negative? In fact that's below average in terms of a player's movement over 400 games.

Would be his 3rd team in 6 seasons .... I'm seeing comments like he's one of the best dmen In the league , I'm sorry but those don't get moved around , they get locked up longterm and never leave , they don't get shopped around ... You say it's not a lot but he's already on his 3rd season, at this rate he'll retire with 5-6 teams u dear his belt

Again unless it's a big blockbuster deal, star for star ... "Stars" don't get dealt

Sorry im just not a fan of shattenkirk and add to that the price it would cost for us to land him ... I'd rather go for some young d prospects off teams that would cost cheaper and have potential

They might opt to keep JAYBOUW since he's lefty and already nice partner for Pietro... and he will be cheaper once that Shatty will sign a new contract. No one is expecting Shatty to be new Lidstrom but I can see him as a Rafalski 2.0 which will definitely improve our team. They have Parayko (RH) who's ready for top 4 minutes.

From all players that might be available (based on all rumors) my wishlist would look like:

1. Shatty

2. Barrie (can't see Avs trading with us)

........

........

........

Vatanen

Thing is, neither of them will make us Stanley Cup contenders... we will need more help:

1. Top 2 Def (preferably RHD)

2. Physical Stay-at-home Def

3. Scoring (Power) Top Six Forward

4. Physical Bottom Six Forward

We needs to get bigger, tougher to play against and we definitely needs to find a way to score more goals.

Shattenkirk is no rafalski .... As for Barrie he would cost us some serious coin so I'll pass , I also don't believe he's worth the 6-7 per he wants

Definetly agree that we need to add more toughness , we been lacking that for a very long time ... Think we got a potential scoring top 6 forward in mantha provided were patient and actually give him time with good linemates and some ppl time

We definetly need a top 2 dman

[13dangledangle 957]

I have just read the last few pages here to get "up to date", and folks to say the least I am nervous as frick going forward.

Kenny has a lot of work to do this season and he reminds me of that kid who waits until the morning of an exam to study outside the class for a half hour before he goes in to write it.

[Echolalia 2,961]

I have just read the last few pages here to get "up to date", and folks to say the least I am nervous as frick going forward.

Kenny has a lot of work to do this season and he reminds me of that kid who waits until the morning of an exam to study outside the class for a half hour before he goes in to write it.

I actually don't get that vibe at all. He already made a trade albeit a small one and the playoffs aren't even over yet. At the very least we know he's working the phones. I think the market is kinda muddy at the moment but it should open up a bit during/after the draft.

[VM1138 1,921]

Also I think he's waiting on July 1st to know what the UFA situation will be. Obviously Stamkos is the number one target, and he may be waiting for a chance to talk to him before making a lot of major moves.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

On Insider Trading today Darren Dreger reporting Kenny is already working hard to move Pavs contract, mentioned Jurco or Pulks as guys who might be used to sweeten a deal.

[VM1138 1,921]

I still don't understand why a sweetener would be needed. As discussed repeatedly all over the Internet, the deal would be a fair one as an even swap for another contract, like Pronger's. Mutually beneficial.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Because the Wings would be getting the better end of the deal.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Report: Wings shopping Datsyuk's contract, interested in Stamkos.

http://www.thescore.com/news/1037938

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[kickazz 5,459]

Report: Wings shopping Datsyuk's contract, interested in Stamkos.

http://www.thescore.com/news/1037938

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Manx I thought Holland ain't doin s***?

[marcaractac 3,960]

On Insider Trading today Darren Dreger reporting Kenny is already working hard to move Pavs contract, mentioned Jurco or Pulks as guys who might be used to sweeten a deal.

Oh my f***. If anyone, please let it be Pulk that is the sweetener. Huge mistake to give up on Jurco already.