Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[Bolgar 62]

Speaking with the words of some unknown Detroit rapper, "Will the real Darren Helm please stand up"

Edited June 11, 2016 by Bolgar

[kickazz 5,459]

Abdelkader currently is, by far, our best winger.

No he isn't. Darren Helm is.

Me.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Wow Florida gave up a 2nd draft pick to get rid of Marc savard's contract that has one season left on it? That's just f***en retarded

At this point I hope to god Detroit keeps datsyuks contract on the books since it's just for one season and give the kids a chance to play for once

If we want to free up cap space or make moves do so by gettin rid of Ericsson and a Tatar/nyquist

I don't get some of these gm's in this league

[kickazz 5,459]

Datsyuk's cap hit is worth a lot more than Savard's, making it easier to reach cap floor. It may not require a 2nd rounder in his case. But the situation certainly doesn't look promising

Edited June 11, 2016 by kickazz

[amato 3,210]

Yeah, savard still gets paid some I believe (not the full amount because it was front loaded). Datsyuk's cap hit will be free for whoever has it.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

It still baffles me ... Yes were helping ourselves and our current cap situation but teams who don't wanna spend actual cash money and are having problems financially also benefit greatly and yet were expected to give up a top pick?

Pass .... Play the kids and trade other assets

[amato 3,210]

Ok so it's $575,000.. Not a huge difference but that could've came into play for a budget team

Edit: thought I was quick enough for it to combine my posts. To clarify: the Devils will pay savard $575,000 and have his cap hit bring them a little over $4 million closer to the cap floor.

Edited June 11, 2016 by amato

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Yeah, savard still gets paid some I believe (not the full amount because it was front loaded). Datsyuk's cap hit will be free for whoever has it.

That would help ... If we have to give up a 2nd or a 3rd we should suck it up for a year

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

Coyotes offering 2 firsts and Max Domi for Toronto's 1st overall pick? 😳

http://mynhltraderumors.com/toronto-maple-leafs-auston-matthews-arizona-coyotes-red-wings-lightning/2016/06/10/

[DickieDunn 2,571]

It still baffles me ... Yes were helping ourselves and our current cap situation but teams who don't wanna spend actual cash money and are having problems financially also benefit greatly and yet were expected to give up a top pick?

Pass .... Play the kids and trade other assets

Because you're overestimating the need/want to take a contract like that, and underestimating the need for a team to get rid of one. It's basic economics.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Wow Florida gave up a 2nd draft pick to get rid of Marc savard's contract that has one season left on it? That's just f***en retarded

At this point I hope to god Detroit keeps datsyuks contract on the books since it's just for one season and give the kids a chance to play for once

If we want to free up cap space or make moves do so by gettin rid of Ericsson and a Tatar/nyquist

I don't get some of these gm's in this league

The only way it makes sense to me is that they seem to be in win-now mode. They went big at the deadline and they must want to add something this off-season. I'm sure they see that Jagr won't be around forever and Luongo's 37 - They have plenty of good youth, but those will be a starting goaltender and leading scorer to replace in a few years.

Edited June 11, 2016 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Because you're overestimating the need/want to take a contract like that, and underestimating the need for a team to get rid of one. It's basic economics.

I'm not overestimating nothing , if you know a team like Carolina is in financial trouble and wanna spend at the bottom of the cap to spend the least amount of money as possible how is not adding 7.5 million to reach the bottom floor and saving 7.5 in actual money not a god send?

Sending a 2nd or a 3rd makes zero sense .... I guarantee you if we changed our minds and decided to stick with it for the season a few weeks later Carolina would call back asking us for that contract

The only way it makes sense to me is that they seem to be in win-now mode. They went big at the deadline and they must want to add something this off-season. I'm sure they see that Jagr won't be around forever and Luongo's 37 - They have plenty of good youth, but those will be a starting goaltender and leading scorer to replace in a few years.

Ya for sure they wanna take advantage of the window they have but giving up a 2nd was a ridiculous price to pay

[DickieDunn 2,571]

If that's the case then why do these deals always include something else for the team taking the dead money?

[krsmith17 7,191]

I think us needing to trade the contract is being overstated, since Holland said himself that if the asking price is too high, we could end up eating the cap hit for a year. It's not like we're in desperate need to move it, so no team should have any leverage over us in negotiations. I do think though that a team will want something back for taking the contract off our hands, whether that's a mid pick or mid tier prospects, who knows... A team like Arizona or Carolina can always sign a UFA to a contract well above market value if they're trying to reach the cap floor, so that alone wouldn't be enough to get them to take Pav's contract...

[LeftWinger 4,949]

I swear. Pool is not me! Honestly!

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I'm not overestimating nothing , if you know a team like Carolina is in financial trouble and wanna spend at the bottom of the cap to spend the least amount of money as possible how is not adding 7.5 million to reach the bottom floor and saving 7.5 in actual money not a god send?

Sending a 2nd or a 3rd makes zero sense .... I guarantee you if we changed our minds and decided to stick with it for the season a few weeks later Carolina would call back asking us for that contract

Ya for sure they wanna take advantage of the window they have but giving up a 2nd was a ridiculous price to pay

The deal was not a 2nd straight up to take the contract. The full trade was Savard contract + 2nd to Devils for Graham Black and Paul Thompson.

- Black was a 5th round pick and had 97 points (34 goals) in the WHL. He's struggled in the AHL, but maybe Florida sees something in him

- Thompson was undrafted and has been in the AHL for 6 years, he's scored as much as 33 goals there and, but he's probably a vet for their AHL affiliate.

Edited June 11, 2016 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[joesuffP 1,746]

Coyotes offering 2 firsts and Max Domi for Toronto's 1st overall pick? 😳

http://mynhltraderumors.com/toronto-maple-leafs-auston-matthews-arizona-coyotes-red-wings-lightning/2016/06/10/

Very interesting. Think I take Matthews still

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

If that's the case then why do these deals always include something else for the team taking the dead money?

Well you can't just give away an asset in return for nothing ,but teams giving away 2nds and 3rds to also help out teams that won't to spend money makes no sense to me , it's not like we're trading a contract to a team like the flyers who are willing to spend to the cap

If teams want to give up those prices and be f***en stupid then let them ... I got no interest in parting with a 2nd or 3rd rounder or a jurco

We have one year to deal with it and let's just suck it up and let mantha athanasiou and some other kids actually get some real ice time

We got wastes like Ericsson holland can try to part with and get some other assets in return if he wants to make a change

I think us needing to trade the contract is being overstated, since Holland said himself that if the asking price is too high, we could end up eating the cap hit for a year. It's not like we're in desperate need to move it, so no team should have any leverage over us in negotiations. I do think though that a team will want something back for taking the contract off our hands, whether that's a mid pick or mid tier prospects, who knows... A team like Arizona or Carolina can always sign a UFA to a contract well above market value if they're trying to reach the cap floor, so that alone wouldn't be enough to get them to take Pav's contract...

But if Carolina who's in real financial troubles can add a contract and save 7.5 in actual cash by taking that contract that's a gold mine for them

Carolina is really going no where next season and by adding cheaper contracts with that 7.5 cap hit they might very well get the 1st overall pick in 2017

The deal was not a 2nd straight up to take the contract. The full trade was Savard contract + 2nd to Devils for Graham Black and [/size]Paul Thompson.[/size]

- Black was a 5th round pick and had 97 points (34 goals) in the WHL. He's struggled in the AHL, but maybe Florida sees something in him[/size]

- Thompson was undrafted and has been in the AHL for 6 years, he's scored as much as 33 goals there and, but he's probably a vet for their AHL affiliate.[/size]

Black isn't what made Florida include the 2nd rounder , it's the contract basically which is ridiculous .... Again if they want to pay that price that's their problem ... I hope to god holland's not stupid enough to give away a 2nd or 3rd

[DickieDunn 2,571]

They shouldn't have to because you say so and want to ignore reality. Got it. Not trading the contract is essentially admitting tgatvthey can't get anyone decent and there's a good chance they're going to miss the playoffs. I don't see that happening.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Black isn't what made Florida include the 2nd rounder , it's the contract basically which is ridiculous .... Again if they want to pay that price that's their problem ... I hope to god holland's not stupid enough to give away a 2nd or 3rd

So your reading of the trade is:

Contract+2nd for nothing

Nothing for 2 prospects.

The 2 prospect have to account for at least a little of the value. Maybe without the prospects that's a 5th or 6th rounder.

Anyway, no reason to get upset with this. I don't think Holland would give up a 2nd unless we signed Stamkos and desperately needed to get rid of the contract.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

They shouldn't have to because you say so and want to ignore reality. Got it. Not trading the contract is essentially admitting tgatvthey can't get anyone decent and there's a good chance they're going to miss the playoffs. I don't see that happening.

Facts are Arizona and especially Carolina are a budget team , yes or no? Facts are recently especially Arizona they have been trading for contracts that make them save actual money cause they can't afford it and would love to spend less money than the actual floor salary

Yes they'd be doing us a favor by taking the contract but Now if we have to give up a 2nd or 3rd to also help them out in mutually beneficial transaction than forget it like it said and suck it up for the season

You make it sound like its such a big deal for them to take the contract off our hands, belive me karmanos would love nothing more than to spend 7 million less than he has to

So your reading of the trade is:

Contract+2nd for nothing

Nothing for 2 prospects.

The 2 prospect have to account for at least a little of the value. Maybe without the prospects that's a 5th or 6th rounder.

Anyway, no reason to get upset with this. I don't think Holland would give up a 2nd unless we signed Stamkos and desperately needed to get rid of the contract.

Well not interested in giving up a 2nd or 3rd or a jurco ... As you mentioned I'm sure holland will only move the contract if he needs to free up space , I doubt we move that contract and then can't sign anyone

[mackel 679]

Facts are Arizona and especially Carolina are a budget team , yes or no? Facts are recently especially Arizona they have been trading for contracts that make them save actual money cause they can't afford it and would love to spend less money than the actual floor salary

Yes they'd be doing us a favor by taking the contract but Now if we have to give up a 2nd or 3rd to also help them out in mutually beneficial transaction than forget it like it said and suck it up for the season

You make it sound like its such a big deal for them to take the contract off our hands, belive me karmanos would love nothing more than to spend 7 million less than he has to

Well not interested in giving up a 2nd or 3rd or a jurco ... As you mentioned I'm sure holland will only move the contract if he needs to free up space , I doubt we move that contract and then can't sign anyone

800 posts later, we get it... you think that teams should pay us for the privilege of taking on a cap hit.

Annnnnnnd You're still wrong.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Maybe we can somehow trade his contract for the superstars Jarnkrok and Janmark.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I'm assuming that comment was directed at me saying we shouldn't trade Jurco? I've always said that Jurco is going to be a very good middle 6 winger, with top 6 potential, same for Jarnkrok and Janmark. A player doesn't need to be a "superstar" to not want to trade him. To trade a player with Jurco's potential as a throw-in just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract with one year remaining on it would be poor management in my opinion.

I'd hate to lose Jurco in any trade right now just because I feel his value is at an all-time low right now. However if he was part of the package that brought in a top pairing defenseman, I'd be fine with that, but not just to trade Datsyuk's contract...

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

I'm assuming that comment was directed at me saying we shouldn't trade Jurco? I've always said that Jurco is going to be a very good middle 6 winger, with top 6 potential, same for Jarnkrok and Janmark. A player doesn't need to be a "superstar" to not want to trade him. To trade a player with Jurco's potential as a throw-in just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract with one year remaining on it would be poor management in my opinion.

I'd hate to lose Jurco in any trade right now just because I feel his value is at an all-time low right now. However if he was part of the package that brought in a top pairing defenseman, I'd be fine with that, but not just to trade Datsyuk's contract...

Nope it wasn't directed at you.