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Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

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I still think when it's all said and done the contract will be gone , but holland is gonna sit back and let the teams go to him

And trust me they will , if teams like Chicago wanna be stupid and give up a teravainen, it doesn't mean we have to , and I don't care what some think but this contract has value to a team like Carolina who are in financial ruins and can save 7 million dollars by taking his contract

They'll come to us by the end of June begging for that contract

I agree that for a low market team that needs to get to the floor, this would be a dream come true. Get 7.5 mill towards your team salary without having to pay a cent of it and get a free prospect or draft pick. I'd be surprised if Arizona or Carolina doesn't work with us.

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I agree that for a low market team that needs to get to the floor, this would be a dream come true. Get 7.5 mill towards your team salary without having to pay a cent of it and get a free prospect or draft pick. I'd be surprised if Arizona or Carolina doesn't work with us.

They'll be begging us to take that contract

None of us should want or expect us to part with a mantha or top prospect , we got a bunch of kids with smaller contracts so we'll be fine for this season

I'm more concerned with holland finding a taker for Howard and Ericsson

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KH sounding like a straight up gangsta

"We convinced him to come back for the '15-16 season because I said to Pav and Dan Milstein last summer, If you’re going to leave – and you can never stop a player from retiring – but if you think you’re going to just go back home and play in the KHL for the '15-16 and '16-17 seasons, we’re going to do everything we can through the NHL to see if we can stop you from playing in the KHL,"

oops... wrong thread

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Holland will be able to trade the contract...question is when. We need the cap for free agency and teams like NJ or Arizona know that. They can take it but they don't need to. So they'll just wait for Holland to offer too much. But ok. If Holland is optimistic to sign FA's like Okposo, Brouwer, Yandle or even Stamkos, I'd say give Nyquist and Tatar along with that contract. I know that most of you guys still don't agree but they have been a disappointment and they're not realiable. If the deal is with Arizona there might even be a possibility to get a center back. Vermette isn't very good anymore but he scores important goals and is a faceoff beast. The guy I'd target is Hanzal though. If he's healthy he's one of the best centers in this league. He plays with an edge and when he's at his best, his PPG is amazing. Plus he's a faceoff beast as well. As his contracts expires Arizona reportedly is looking to trade him. He'd be looking for much more money and as they need spots for guys like Dauphin, Dvorak or Strome a trade makes sense for them. Hanzal is no playmaker like Datsyuk but he's also a good and skilled two way center and he's big and tough. Perfect 2nd line Center for us.

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i want this contract gone but not for 3 players and thats mantha larkin or AA anyone else id be willing to take a bite if only we get at least something back that is decent enough as well as a grantee that we go head first for a Okposo Trouba stamkos or Radulov

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Some thoughts:

- I'm confident the contract will be dealt. I don't think Pulkkinen has a future here and it'd be great if he was a part of the package. If Jurco has to go, so be it.

- It's clear that Richards won't be back, which is the right move as far as I'm concerned.

- I could stand to see Quincey walk, though I thought he played well last year.

- I think Miller needs to be let go.

- Helm isn't a top 6 player on this team. It'll be really interesting to see what takes place with him.

- Backes and Lucic are going to be looking for 5+ years, so it's best we stay away. Their game will likely decline after a couple more years.

- I'm not really into speculating about Stamkos, but adding him to the lineup would instantly put us in a better place than last year.

- Matt Martin is a guy that this team needs in the bottom 6. Hits hard, can contribute offensively, and generally plays a disciplined game. One of the reasons Tampa was able to win in 5 was because they established a forecheck that got the defense in trouble and they were able to muck it up in the corners and win puck battles. Martin adds these elements.

- I'm open to the idea of trading Nyquist or Tatar. Not sure what Holland would be looking to get in return.

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He could be saying that to get the asking price down from teams.

Definitely. For those who can read people well, if you watch the actual press conference, Holland was definitely sending a message to teams rather than the fans lol.

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Definitely. For those who can read people well, if you watch the actual press conference, Holland was definitely sending a message to teams rather than the fans lol.

And you really think that he impressed other GM's? :lol:

Listen, they're gonna want a lot knowing that the time ticks against us. We need the cap for Free Agency. No matter what Holland says, time is gonna remain his biggest issue.

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And you really think that he impressed other GM's? :lol:

Listen, they're gonna want a lot knowing that the time ticks against us. We need the cap for Free Agency. No matter what Holland says, time is gonna remain his biggest issue.

Who said he impressed other GM's?

That you Darren Helm? You making up stuff again?

No wait, I'm Darren Helm.

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Who said he impressed other GM's?

That you Darren Helm? You making up stuff again?

No wait, I'm Darren Helm.

Nobody. But you agreed that he used the press conference to send a message to other teams. Which to me is, even if he wanted to, a joke. Since months it's clear that we're gonna try to move Datsyuk's contract and recently other teams gave up a lot to get contracts off their cap. A press conference isn't gonna change anything. The asking price can only be lowered if we hold out...something we cannot do.

Regarding Helm we can only hope that somebody wants him. I fear that nobody does and finally we're gonna overpay him. Like always. Loyalty and so on...

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Who says we can't hold out longer? You?

We got tons of kids this year at small contracts coming .... Marchenko ouellet sproul mantha Larkin athanasiou jurco pulkkinen , were not in a desperate state to shed datsyuks contract

For what to get stamkos? There's zero guarantee he would even come here so we're not giving up a top prospect ... That's ludicrous

We got quinceys 4 million off the books ... If we want to shed more salary Kenny can work the phones instead and get rid of Howard and Ericsson first , I'd much rather he got rid of those deals first than even think about shedding datsyuks contract

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Nobody. But you agreed that he used the press conference to send a message to other teams. Which to me is, even if he wanted to, a joke. Since months it's clear that we're gonna try to move Datsyuk's contract and recently other teams gave up a lot to get contracts off their cap. A press conference isn't gonna change anything. The asking price can only be lowered if we hold out...something we cannot do.

Regarding Helm we can only hope that somebody wants him. I fear that nobody does and finally we're gonna overpay him. Like always. Loyalty and so on...

First off, let me clarify that I don't think Holland is going to find a price he's willing to pay to move the deal. The biggest reason is that I don't think there are enough teams willing/able to take on the contract. I think Wings end up having to eat the 7.5M for the year.

In response to your comment about other teams moving their unwanted deals - those other teams may have given up a lot to move contracts off their cap, but they were also paying the salaries for the players they were receiving. Datsyuk is 7.5M of cap hit without actually getting paid a salary. I'd wager that's appealing to a number of teams who have financial issues, and are trying to get to the floor. It's a different situation.

I think Holland makes a ton of excuses and digs himself into holes quite often, but the posturing at the press conference is probably the best move he could have made given the situation. He mentioned three things that might push teams to knock down their asking price:

1) He's spoken to a few teams about the prospect of taking on the contract.

2) He's not willing to move a high-end pick or prospect.

3) If a deal doesn't get done by July 1st, he won't bother.

If a team like Arizona or Carolina have legitimate interest in taking on the contract, Holland's laid out the situation for them. He's letting them know that other teams are involved (whether true or not, who knows), which assets he is unwilling to part with in order to move the contract, and his deadline to make the deal happen. Whether it works remains to be seen, but it puts some pressure on GM's who have genuine interest in acquiring Datsyuk's contract.

Again, I think the Wings are stuck with the contract when it's all said and done. Holland did the best he could to lay the groundwork for a trade today, though.

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First off, let me clarify that I don't think Holland is going to find a price he's willing to pay to move the deal. The biggest reason is that I don't think there are enough teams willing/able to take on the contract. I think Wings end up having to eat the 7.5M for the year.

In response to your comment about other teams moving their unwanted deals - those other teams may have given up a lot to move contracts off their cap, but they were also paying the salaries for the players they were receiving. Datsyuk is 7.5M of cap hit without actually getting paid a salary. I'd wager that's appealing to a number of teams who have financial issues, and are trying to get to the floor. It's a different situation.

I think Holland makes a ton of excuses and digs himself into holes quite often, but the posturing at the press conference is probably the best move he could have made given the situation. He mentioned three things that might push teams to knock down their asking price:

1) He's spoken to a few teams about the prospect of taking on the contract.

2) He's not willing to move a high-end pick or prospect.

3) If a deal doesn't get done by July 1st, he won't bother.

If a team like Arizona or Carolina have legitimate interest in taking on the contract, Holland's laid out the situation for them. He's letting them know that other teams are involved (whether true or not, who knows), which assets he is unwilling to part with in order to move the contract, and his deadline to make the deal happen. Whether it works remains to be seen, but it puts some pressure on GM's who have genuine interest in acquiring Datsyuk's contract.

Again, I think the Wings are stuck with the contract when it's all said and done. Holland did the best he could to lay the groundwork for a trade today, though.

I hope. But he's not gonna want to miss the playoffs so he's gonna move the contract despite the high cost. Therefore I think that a package would be best for us. Send Datsyuk,Tatar, Nyquist along with a prospect like Bertuzzi or a 2nd to Arizona in exchange for Hanzal. We free up a lot of cap and roster spots for our top prospects and even get the 2nd line Center we need.

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If Holland fails to move Pav's contract, that's the last straw for him.

Like many have pointed out on the site, it's not a matter of "if." If it was life or death, we could give someone Mantha and they would take the contract in a heartbeat. If the asking price doesn't come down from teams, he doesn't move the contract. It's as simple as that.

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Like many have pointed out on the site, it's not a matter of "if." If it was life or death, we could give someone Mantha and they would take the contract in a heartbeat. If the asking price doesn't come down from teams, he doesn't move the contract. It's as simple as that.

... at least that's what we hope...I wouldn't bet on it. Holland doesn't wanna end our playoff streak just because he messed up by giving Datsyuk a longterm contract.

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... at least that's what we hope...I wouldn't bet on it. Holland doesn't wanna end our playoff streak just because he messed up by giving Datsyuk a longterm contract.

yeah, but had he not give him that contract, Pasha would have most likely walked.

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poel, seriously stop with your s***! You have no idea what you're talking about... As has been pointed out several times by much more knowledgeable fans, we don't "need" the cap space. Sure, it would be nice if we could trade Pav's contract, but we're actually in good shape to be able to eat the hit for one season. Holland isn't going to trade the contract if he has to offload any high end prospects, let alone the ludicrous offer you just posted...

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poel, seriously stop with your s***! You have no idea what you're talking about... As has been pointed out several times by much more knowledgeable fans, we don't "need" the cap space. Sure, it would be nice if we could trade Pav's contract, but we're actually in good shape to be able to eat the hit for one season. Holland isn't going to trade the contract if he has to offload any high end prospects, let alone the ludicrous offer you just posted...

I don't see your problem.

1.) you surely aren't one of those "more knowledgeable fans". I've read a lot of bs from you and this post isn't better by any means.

2.) I didn't say even once that we need to trade Pavel's contract. I said that I'm pretty sure that Holland will trade the contract because he wants to keep the playoff streak alive and doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who messed it up.

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1.) You're right, I don't know s***, except that Helm is one of the best bottom 6 forwards in the league, and Nyquist and Tatar are very good secondary scorers. And also that Holland does NOT "need" to move Datsyuk's contract, and won't unless it's a fair deal.

2.) Nope, you didn't say it once. You said it at least twice in the past few hours in this very thread... "We need the cap for free agency and teams like NJ or Arizona know that". "Listen, they're gonna want a lot knowing that the time ticks against us. We need the cap for Free Agency"...

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Krsmith17: If KH doesn't moves Datsyuk's contract, would he be able to pursue Stamkos, as he said he would or is this possible by making other adjustments?

I think you're right on point about Helm,Nyquist and Tatar. Would you bring back Helm as a center or keep him as a winger? also whom would you bring to flll the remaining center position?

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1.) You're right, I don't know s***, except that Helm is one of the best bottom 6 forwards in the league, and Nyquist and Tatar are very good secondary scorers. And also that Holland does NOT "need" to move Datsyuk's contract, and won't unless it's a fair deal.

2.) Nope, you didn't say it once. You said it at least twice in the past few hours in this very thread... "We need the cap for free agency and teams like NJ or Arizona know that". "Listen, they're gonna want a lot knowing that the time ticks against us. We need the cap for Free Agency"...

Blocking Poel helps. I've done it ages ago.

In the end, people keep comparing pav's contract to others that have been moved. Difference is, these other contracts involve cash that is owed. Pavel's does not.

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