Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[krsmith17 7,191]

Like I said, I wouldn't want to trade Bertuzzi either, all I'm saying is he's not untouchable. I love the kid, and he's been a playoff beast, even before Grand Rapids when he played in Guelph. That Memorial Cup run was his coming out party and he hasn't slowed down since.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Like I said, I wouldn't want to trade Bertuzzi either, all I'm saying is he's not untouchable. I love the kid, and he's been a playoff beast, even before Grand Rapids when he played in Guelph. That Memorial Cup run was his coming out party and he hasn't slowed down since.

I really need to start watching more of the Griffs. Sometimes it's really hard to find a stream.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

If Stamkos wants 11+ million are people still ok with that? I know I'm not, he's not the same player he was before his leg injury and won't be a 50 goal scorer again. I look at the Toews and Kane contracts and what that is going to do to that team and want nothing to do with that. Our younger guys will need raises and might become very good players looking for 6-7 million dollar deals which could hinder us signing our young guys in 2-3 years.

Only way I want Stamkos is if he is willing to sign at 9 million. We need defense more then anything right now, year after year it's the same issue.

[kickazz 5,459]

If Stamkos wants 11+ million are people still ok with that? I know I'm not, he's not the same player he was before his leg injury and won't be a 50 goal scorer again. I look at the Toews and Kane contracts and what that is going to do to that team and want nothing to do with that. Our younger guys will need raises and might become very good players looking for 6-7 million dollar deals which could hinder us signing our young guys in 2-3 years.

Only way I want Stamkos is if he is willing to sign at 9 million. We need defense more then anything right now, year after year it's the same issue.

But the thing is that by the time our young players are due for big raises, most of our contracts (except Zetterberg, Abdelkader and Ericsson) will be finished. So as old contracts are up, new ones will begin. Take a look at 2017-18 season for instance, the project money spent is $45 million only. 2018/19 season we'll have $34 million towards contracts.

I think we're in a better position than Chicago is. Our turnover is much more smooth. I think by the time Larkin, Mantha and AA start making big money we'll have plenty of cap space opening up. Chicago is screwed because they threw out big contracts to Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith while guys like Panarin, Shaw are almost immediately eligible to get new contracts. Their turnover sucks.

As far as Stamkos, I think $10 million is the highest I would feel comfortable with. I think $9 million won't be enough in this market. There's no way he'd get paid less than Anze Kopitar (who is less than a 30 goal scorer) but more of a 2 way forward.

Edited June 19, 2016 by kickazz

[Internet.Unknown 422]

Isn't all of Toronto's young guys just "wishful thinking" too? Or does that only apply to us?

Larkin: looks like a gem, but faded as the season progressed. Still best of the bunch.

AA: Helm with hands. Does that make him Kris Draper then?

Mantha: stock has plummeted since being drafted and playing with actual adults.

Mrazek: inconsistent though young and has shown flashes of brilliance.

Defensive prospects: all projected to be middle to bottom pairing guys.

Nyquist and Tatar: Soft, small complimentary scorers.

Yes, Toronto having the first overall pick and a bevy of high picks for the next couple of years is more enticing than the Wings' prospects and average young players.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I agree that $10.5M would be a little too high, ideally we'd be able to get him signed for around $9.5M.

I really think this next year should be a year we should just try and stay afloat. We're nearing the end of this transition period and while things may look a little bleak at the moment, I truly believe this team is ready for a huge upswing in the next year - year and a half. If we can get rid of a couple bad contracts (Datsyuk, Ericsson, Howard) and keep most of our higher end players / prospects in the next year and still make the playoffs, I think it would be a huge success. Then if we can acquire a number one defenseman, and possibly even a number one center in that time frame, there's no question we'll be legit contenders for the opening of the LC Arena... Of course that's a lot of things that would need to go right, but it's very doable...

[joesuffP 1,746]

A lot of noise about trading Howard being the best option this offseason

[Internet.Unknown 422]

Then we are stuck with the cap hit, tank the season, and get a high draft pick that we can build the team around.

Oh and won't have to hear about the stupid streak anymore.

Management and ownership doesn't think the streak is "stupid." Fans claiming otherwise are going to keep being disappointed. Realize it, accept it, and manage your expectations accordingly.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I know we all would love trouba to be a redwing although I doubt it could ever happen cause I don't see the jets at the end of the day actually moving him

But anyways here it goes ...

Minnesota gets - nyquist and svechnikov

Redwings get - brodin and 15th overall pick

We then ship brodin and the 15th pick for Jacob trouba

Would anyone do that trade? Realistic? I brought in the wild cause we don't have what I think the jets would want , they got a ton of forwards and forward prospects coming so I figured if the jets were to part with trouba they'd want a dman in return and we can't afford to part with dekeyer

Now the wild apparently have made it known the 15th pick is available as they want to acquire pieces to help them now

now let me have it

[Internet.Unknown 422]

wut

Remove homer glasses.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

A lot of noise about trading Howard being the best option this offseason

I guess throughout the years Howard hasn't got much love from the fans. First half of the season was all about Mrazek, we tend to forget Howard stepped up when needed and helped us when Mrazek couldn't.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Where are these teams that would want Howard or Ericsson without Detroit eating a bunch of their salaries?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Where are these teams that would want Howard or Ericsson without Detroit eating a bunch of their salaries?

It will have to be Howard and Jurco a pick and eating 1M or something. Can be done. Better than buying out Ericsson which could also happen

Edited June 19, 2016 by joesuffP

[krsmith17 7,191]

Dickie, read my post above about Smid and Gudbranson. There are always teams willing to pay, even sometimes overpay for mediocre players. Other teams can pull it off but for some reason it's impossible for us? I don't buy that... Do you think Clayton Stoner is tradeable? I do. I would even if he had a few years remaining on that contract, and he's just as bad or worse than Ericsson...

[kickazz 5,459]

I guess throughout the years Howard hasn't got much love from the fans. First half of the season was all about Mrazek, we tend to forget Howard stepped up when needed and helped us when Mrazek couldn't.

Neither did Ozzy.

Next to Montreal Canadiens the Red Wings are the most critical of their goalies and expect a lot from them. Terry Sawchuck's legend still has a lasting effect on our egos.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Neither did Ozzy.

Next to Montreal Canadiens the Red Wings are the most critical of their goalies and expect a lot from them. Terry Sawchuck's legend still has a lasting effect on our egos.

Man, I loved Ozzy. Hated when he was moved to the Isles, and loved how he came back and lead us in the playoffs to the cup.

Holland on Howard by DSN -Detroit Sports Nation that is.

http://detroitsportsnation.com/detroit-nhl/mwhitaker/holland-trading-howard-may-be-best-option/75104/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Edited June 19, 2016 by NerveDamage

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Howard for wideman seems inevitable

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Howard for wideman seems inevitable

o.O

Edited June 19, 2016 by NerveDamage

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

But the thing is that by the time our young players are due for big raises, most of our contracts (except Zetterberg, Abdelkader and Ericsson) will be finished. So as old contracts are up, new ones will begin. Take a look at 2017-18 season for instance, the project money spent is $45 million only. 2018/19 season we'll have $34 million towards contracts.

I think we're in a better position than Chicago is. Our turnover is much more smooth. I think by the time Larkin, Mantha and AA start making big money we'll have plenty of cap space opening up. Chicago is screwed because they threw out big contracts to Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith while guys like Panarin, Shaw are almost immediately eligible to get new contracts. Their turnover sucks.

As far as Stamkos, I think $10 million is the highest I would feel comfortable with. I think $9 million won't be enough in this market. There's no way he'd get paid less than Anze Kopitar (who is less than a 30 goal scorer) but more of a 2 way forward.

I miss capgeek

I don't know where to go to look for the salaries anymore

[NerveDamage 4,176]

I miss capgeek

I don't know where to go to look for the salaries anymore

HOw 'bout capfriendly?

https://www.capfriendly.com/

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Larkin: looks like a gem, but faded as the season progressed. Still best of the bunch.

AA: Helm with hands. Does that make him Kris Draper then?

Mantha: stock has plummeted since being drafted and playing with actual adults.

Mrazek: inconsistent though young and has shown flashes of brilliance.

Defensive prospects: all projected to be middle to bottom pairing guys.

Nyquist and Tatar: Soft, small complimentary scorers.

Yes, Toronto having the first overall pick and a bevy of high picks for the next couple of years is more enticing than the Wings' prospects and average young players.

That doesn't amount to anything. Edmonton says hi.

Also, not to be rude but you explained our prospects in your opinion, not actual facts or projections. We have no idea where these players development will be in a couple years.

HOw 'bout capfriendly?

https://www.capfriendly.com/

Thank you sir!

[krsmith17 7,191]

capgeek.com was definitely the best, but capfriendly.com and generalfanager.com are both pretty good too. They're my go-to's for contract and cap information now...

[kickazz 5,459]

I find it interesting that there's people already predicting Toronto to be some big shot team in like 2 years.

Isn't McDavid still considered the best 1st round draft pick of the decade? I don't think Mathews is considered to ever be as good as McDavid is projected to be. From what I've heard he's more of a Jack Eichel type of pick. Anyone have insight on this?

Stamkos, Mathews, Bozak, Kadri. Nylander. Froese, Gauthier. Apparently the trick is to stack up on Centers.

Edited June 19, 2016 by kickazz

[NerveDamage 4,176]

I find it interesting that there's people already predicting Toronto to be some big shot team in like 2 years.

Isn't McDavid still considered the best 1st round draft pick of the decade? I don't think Mathews is considered to ever be as good as McDavid is projected to be. From what I've heard he's more of a Jack Eichel type of pick.

Wishful thinking I guess...

[Dabura 12,206]

Ericsson is a very serviceable 2nd / 3rd at worst defenseman in the NHL. It's not his fault our defense has been terrible for the past few years and he's been forced into a role above his talent level. $3.25M is a very reasonable cap hit for a player like Ericsson.

There's absolutely no reason to believe that we couldn't trade Ericsson ($1M retained) along with a Pulkkinen or Frk to a team for a low pick or prospect...

$3.25M x 4 years for a 32-year-old Jonathan Ericsson is criminal. If it's the Oilers we're selling to, our sweetener would almost certainly have to be much sweeter than Pulkkinen/Frk, neither of whom would address any of the Oilers' most pressing needs.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Dabura