Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[krsmith17 7,191]

It's because Matthews is going to be like Toews with more offensive upside, Marner is going to be as good or better than Kane, Nylander is going to be like a young Hossa, Rielly is already comparable to Keith... That's not to mention all these other studs like Gauthier, Leipsic, Brown, Kapanen, Soshnikov, Percy, Dermott and Harrington, to go along with a great veteran core of Van Riemsdyk, Kadri and Bozak...

Meanwhile, the Wings have a lot of unproven talent that likely won't ever reach their potential... Larkin started out hot and then faded. I mean what rookie does that in their first season pro coming from college. What a chump. Athanasiou has speed but likely won't ever be anything more than a Helm with hands. And we know how much Helm sucks. Mantha is lazy and won't amount to s***. Svechnikov is another Russian that will probably fade out and head back to Russia. Sproul and Ouellet haven't made the NHL yet so they obviously suck. Nyquist and Tatar are soft Euros that will never get it done in the playoffs. Jurco and Pulkkinen aren't even NHL calibre players. Smith is dumb. Mrazek hasn't proven s*** and will likely amount to nothing...

[krsmith17 7,191]

Dabura, I find it funny that you left out over half of my post. How about you acknowledge the most important part, all the other teams that are able to trade just as bad or worse players. Other teams can but we can't right? Got it... Ericsson is not worse than Ladislav Smid but the Oilers of all teams were able to trade a similar contract to Calgary three years ago...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

With Nill being familiar with Ericsson I see him going to Dallas rather than the oilers, Dallas also have spots to fill at defense with goligoski gone, and they aren't signing another 2-3 guys

Seguin also has 3 more years at a great 6 per deal and spezza' deal runs out in 3 yrs as well ... All the Same as Ericsson so it could work

Edited June 19, 2016 by nyqvististhefuture

[Dominator2005 558]

o.O

At least he can hit

[NerveDamage 4,176]

At least he can hit

It's funny that it all happens right next to the Ram ad on the boards.

[gcom007 1,465]

If Stamkos wants 11+ million are people still ok with that? I know I'm not, he's not the same player he was before his leg injury and won't be a 50 goal scorer again. I look at the Toews and Kane contracts and what that is going to do to that team and want nothing to do with that. Our younger guys will need raises and might become very good players looking for 6-7 million dollar deals which could hinder us signing our young guys in 2-3 years.

Only way I want Stamkos is if he is willing to sign at 9 million. We need defense more then anything right now, year after year it's the same issue.

People have been saying Chicago is screwed for years and they keep finding a way to win another Cup every couple years. I'm not saying I want to sign the guy for $11 million, but it cracks me up how biased we are against Chicago. They keep finding a way to make it work. Eventually that will stop, but I suspect it will have more to do with Toews and Kane slowing down than bad roster management.

[kickazz 5,459]

No seriously though the point of Toronto. I know a lot of Toronto fans that live in the area here and I haven't met one that's overly optimistic about their future but here we have Red Wings fans speaking on their behalf talking about how they'll be a cup contender in a few years.

The grass is greener on the other side I guess. Funny how when Babcock was here he was an issue. But not that he's there, Toronto is going to be amazing.

[kickazz 5,459]

People have been saying Chicago is screwed for years and they keep finding a way to win another Cup every couple years. I'm not saying I want to sign the guy for $11 million, but it cracks me up how biased we are against Chicago. They keep finding a way to make it work. Eventually that will stop, but I suspect it will have more to do with Toews and Kane slowing down than bad roster management.

No.

People have predicted that Chicago will be screwed down the road in the future. Basically from here on out. I don't know anyone who said they would be screwed 2-3 years ago. Toews and Kane were locked in 2014. Chicago won the cup twice before both of their contracts were made. So no, they haven't found a way to get it "done" every year. Their troubles are only yet to begin. Starting with having to get rid of Bickell for a high price, having to re-sign Shaw, and eventually Panarin. All their "top" players are locked until 2021. And it looks as though Pittsburgh is the type of team to spoil their party. Chicago got knocked out first round this year and next year even if they make it far, I don't see them beating the Caps or Pittsburgh. They're essentially locked up with a roster until 2021 and there's not much they can do to change it. So either win with it or be stuck with it. Whereas the Caps and Pittsburgh can still keep adding a lot of pieces to get better. Not to mention both Caps and Penguins have BETTER players for cheaper.

Edited June 19, 2016 by kickazz

[Dominator2005 558]

It's funny that it all happens right next to the Ram ad on the boards.

This Bud's for you

[Internet.Unknown 422]

That doesn't amount to anything. Edmonton says hi.

Also, not to be rude but you explained our prospects in your opinion, not actual facts or projections. We have no idea where these players development will be in a couple years.

Thank you sir!

First, you're trying to move the goalposts. I said Toronto has a brighter potential because of high draft picks vs. Detroit's current prospects. Were Stamkos to base his opinion on potential, he and most everyone outside of Detroit would see Toronto as a better prospect.

Second, the Blackhawks and Penguins say "hi" to your Edmonton cliche.

Third, which of these opinions (your word) aren't true?

-Larkin did fade as the season progressed

-Mrazek has been inconsistent but brilliant at times

-Mantha's stock has dropped since he started playing in the AHL

-Sproul and Oullette are predicted to be middle pairing guys

-Nyquist and Tatar are small and soft. Boston in the playoffs says hi.

-AA has been called Helm with hands by many posters here

Finally, it seems you don't like facts when they contradict your opinions. Not to be rude.

[Internet.Unknown 422]

No seriously though the point of Toronto. I know a lot of Toronto fans that live in the area here and I haven't met one that's overly optimistic about their future but here we have Red Wings fans speaking on their behalf talking about how they'll be a cup contender in a few years.

The grass is greener on the other side I guess. Funny how when Babcock was here he was an issue. But not that he's there, Toronto is going to be amazing.

I assume this was at least in part directed at me.

Yes, the Leafs future looks hopeful.

(1) Babcock is a great coach. I certainly didn't advocate for a rookie coach from the AHL to take over the Red Wings.

(2) Number one overall draft picks (not selected by Edmonton) usually perform very well in the NHL.

(3) Having numerous additional high picks bodes well.

(4) Stamkos hasn't signed with the Leafs, but people have to give the hometown an advantage. Remeber Parise & Suter?

[frankgrimes 1,836]

No seriously though the point of Toronto. I know a lot of Toronto fans that live in the area here and I haven't met one that's overly optimistic about their future but here we have Red Wings fans speaking on their behalf talking about how they'll be a cup contender in a few years.

The grass is greener on the other side I guess. Funny how when Babcock was here he was an issue. But not that he's there, Toronto is going to be amazing.

Re-read the posts? Most people agreed that Babs did a phenomenal job by getting the Wings into the playoffs. Just because some thought Blash would come in and be even better isn't Babs nor Blash's fault.

Nobody said they are going to be contenders but the Leafs are doing the right thing right now...Mathews, Rielly is a really good start and they could always use Marner or Nylander to get a top defender I.e. they are assets. Will it work? Who knows but having Mathews, Eichel and Pulju in the same conference is not something I'm looking forward too

Would I take their team over the current! Wings ? Of course I would same goes for Buffalo and of course Edmonton with McJesus and Nurse. The Oilers are 1! top pairing guy away from taking of and as soon as that happens it won't be pretty for the rest of the league, that's for sure.

Edited June 19, 2016 by frankgrimes

[LeftWinger 4,936]

Lucic seems quite a possibility. Wings will pay up for him.

Dream time...

Trade Howard for Wideman. Trade Ericsson for a pick. Trade Pav/prospect for pick.

Sign Stamkos, sign Lucic.

[poel 28]

Re-read the posts? Most people agreed that Babs did a phenomenal job by getting the Wings into the playoffs. Just because some thought Blash would come in and be even better isn't Babs nor Blash's fault.

Nobody said they are going to be contenders but the Leafs are doing the right thing right now...Mathews, Rielly is a really good start and they could always use Marner or Nylander to get a top defender I.e. they are assets. Will it work? Who knows but having Mathews, Eichel and Pulju in the same conference is not something I'm looking forward too

Would I take their team over the current! Wings ? Of course I would same goes for Buffalo and of course Edmonton with McJesus and Nurse. The Oilers are 1! top pairing guy away from taking of and as soon as that happens it won't be pretty for the rest of the league, that's for sure.

Ahh. They're waiting since years in places like Toronto or Edmonton. Year after year they draft high but they're still the worst teams in the NHL. They got no experienced top players and roster isn't balanced enough. Also you can't just shake off a losing mentality. If the Leafs land Stamkos things could change but if not I'm pretty convinced that they'll remain the clowns of this league.

I still think that if, we should trade Datsyuk's contract to the Yotes. They're most likely interested in the contract as they wouldn't have to pay him. And want to move Hanzal. Maloney never would have traded Hanzel but it looks like their new kid Chayka is stupid enough to shop him. Hanzal is a beast and a guy that, if healthy, is one of the best two way centers in the NHL. We're not gonna land Stamkos and Hanzal is better than all FA-Centers.

To pay prospects or picks just to move Datsyuk's contract doesn't make sense to me. I'd prefer a real trade where we actually get something back.

Edited June 19, 2016 by poel

[kickazz 5,459]

I assume this was at least in part directed at me.

Yes, the Leafs future looks hopeful.

(1) Babcock is a great coach. I certainly didn't advocate for a rookie coach from the AHL to take over the Red Wings.

(2) Number one overall draft picks (not selected by Edmonton) usually perform very well in the NHL.

(3) Having numerous additional high picks bodes well.

(4) Stamkos hasn't signed with the Leafs, but people have to give the hometown an advantage. Remeber Parise & Suter?

Was that you who posted something? It's been going on in multiple threads. I posted an article about Babcock hinting at him not being interested in Stamkos. Anyways, my post was mostly talking about LGW in general not you. Folks were talking down about Babs for months last year and how he's the reason Detroit can't acquire free agents and blah blah, and now that he's there it's as though Toronto > Detroit.

Would I take their team over the current! Wings ? Of course I would same goes for Buffalo and of course Edmonton with McJesus and Nurse. The Oilers are 1! top pairing guy away from taking of and as soon as that happens it won't be pretty for the rest of the league, that's for sure.

The teams you mentioned can't even make the playoffs right now. How can you say you would take them over the Wings lol. In order to win a cup, you first have to be able to qualify for the playoffs. Edmonton with all their picks just can't seem to get it done.

Edited June 19, 2016 by kickazz

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Was that you who posted something? It's been going on in multiple threads. I posted an article about Babcock hinting at him not being interested in Stamkos. Anyways, my post was mostly talking about LGW in general not you. Folks were talking down about Babs for months last year and how he's the reason Detroit can't acquire free agents and blah blah, and now that he's there it's as though Toronto > Detroit.

The teams you mentioned can't even make the playoffs right now. How can you say you would take them over the Wings lol. In order to win a cup, you first have to be able to qualify for the playoffs. Edmonton with all their picks just can't seem to get it done.

Well for me it's about the big price not some useless streak and going forward the Wings don't have a number 1 center, defenseman the Oilers do...a guy who might be the next Crosby one day. it's true they haven't had the layoffs but with that talent it's only a matter of time.

Also re read the posts about Babs, most were sad seeing him go..you don't lose the best coach in hockey and expect a seem less transition that's not how it works.

I hope Holland has a plan B because Stamkos is a pipe dream

[Internet.Unknown 422]

I hope Holland has a plan B because Stamkos is a pipe dream

Hope you're wrong but I doubt it.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Id like to see holland be aggressive and add more picks for the draft ... This has a zero percent chance of happening and it's easier said than done but I'd like to see happen by next weekend .....

Ericsson and a 6th to Dallas for a 4th with 1 million retained

Nyquist/svechnikov to Minnesota for the 15th and brodin

Brodin/marchenko/glendening to the jets for Trouba

brodin and trouba were drafted same year, a pick apart and brodin can log 20+ minutes and + another dman in marchenko can maybe make the deal worth thinking about , and I threw in marchenko over ouellet as he's been playing in the NHL already and there's always the risk he can leave for Russia in a few years , if the jets refuse we can always keep Brodin

On draft day Trade the 16th to the jets for 22 and 36

Trade the 36th pick to the flames for the 54th and 66th picks

Trade the 137th and 2018 3rd round pick to Carolina for the 75th pick(they have 3 3rd rounders so might be open to trading one)

Trade for buffalo's 89th pick ( they have 4 3rd rounders so might trade one) ... Not sure what we can give up yet, maybe pulkkinen if we don't use him to get rid of datsyuks contract

15th pick - jake bean

22nd pick - Lucas johansen

46th pick - Sean day

54th pick - wade Allison

66th pick - henrik borgstrom

75th pick - Lucas carlsson

89th pick - James greenway

107th pick - Otto koivula

116th pick - Mathias from

197th pick - a hakan Andersson hit or miss pick

Gives us 5 defensemen and hopefully a few of those turn out for us and we'd have 3 players in NCAA and 3 in Europe so we have 4 yrs to sign them

We can then sign radulov to a one year deal , sign Jamie mcginn as he'd bring us a big body we need,bring back helm if it's like 3 per (expensive for a 4th liner but he can always move up in the line up when injuries will eventually occur,I know he doesn't like moving around but hey that's life)

Radulov Larkin abdelkader

Zetterberg athanasiou tatar

mcginn sheahan mantha

Bertuzzi helm jurco

Frk

Dekeyer green

Kronwall trouba

Smith ouellet/sproul

[Hey man nice shot! 144]

Lucic seems quite a possibility. Wings will pay up for him.

Dream time...

Trade Howard for Wideman. Trade Ericsson for a pick. Trade Pav/prospect for pick.

Sign Stamkos, sign Lucic.

dear god no!

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

People have been saying Chicago is screwed for years and they keep finding a way to win another Cup every couple years. I'm not saying I want to sign the guy for $11 million, but it cracks me up how biased we are against Chicago. They keep finding a way to make it work. Eventually that will stop, but I suspect it will have more to do with Toews and Kane slowing down than bad roster management.

I never said they were slowing down until now, simply because there cap hits on those contracts are now kicking in. It will handicap that team for the future.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I never said they were slowing down until now, simply because there cap hits on those contracts are now kicking in. It will handicap that team for the future.

3 cups in 7 years and a top 3 center on their team yes I'd take that handicap.

The Hawks gave the blues all they could handle and more so starting next year I fully expect the big dogs of the west to be the big dogs again. If people think Chicago, LA are going to slow down they are in for not a nice surprise...both teams are now fully rested and that is scary.

[The Datsyukian Deke 127]

Lucic seems quite a possibility. Wings will pay up for him.

Dream time...

Trade Howard for Wideman. Trade Ericsson for a pick. Trade Pav/prospect for pick.

Sign Stamkos, sign Lucic.

Lucic? Are you out of your mind?

I still remember that piece of s*** spearing Danny between the legs...no, thanks. Guys like him are a disgrace to the game and I don't want any of them on the team..

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

3 cups in 7 years and a top 3 center on their team yes I'd take that handicap.

The Hawks gave the blues all they could handle and more so starting next year I fully expect the big dogs of the west to be the big dogs again. If people think Chicago, LA are going to slow down they are in for not a nice surprise...both teams are now fully rested and that is scary.

Why are you talking about the past. I am talking about right now, and going forward. The Toews and Kane contracts are not good for Chicago, especially the Toews contract.

And Toews most definitely is not a top 3 center lol.

[kickazz 5,459]

3 cups in 7 years and a top 3 center on their team yes I'd take that handicap.

The Hawks gave the blues all they could handle and more so starting next year I fully expect the big dogs of the west to be the big dogs again. If people think Chicago, LA are going to slow down they are in for not a nice surprise...both teams are now fully rested and that is scary.

Lol it's people like you who overrate Toews. Hhahahah. Jeez man.

Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Kopitar, Datsyuk are all better centers than Toews.

Want to know what's funny? An injured Datsyuk is better than Toews by all stats and eyeball tests too.

Edited June 20, 2016 by kickazz

[Internet.Unknown 422]

Lucic? Are you out of your mind?

I still remember that piece of s*** spearing Danny between the legs...no, thanks. Guys like him are a disgrace to the game and I don't want any of them on the team..

You must have wept when the Wings traded for Chelios.