Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[poel 28]

...But I'm starting to think we're probably going to focus on the forward group this summer. Keith Yandle is legit, Jason Demers (UFA) is underrated, and Kevin Shattenkirk might be obtainable, and we should consider all of them and many more. But, personally, I'm more concerned about our center situation right now. We need to go all-in for Stamkos, that goes without saying, but I think we should also be looking at Martin Hanzal and/or maybe a sleeper like Zemgus Girgensons (who I think has the potential to be a very good centerman in this league, though, admittedly, his numbers -- surface and underlying -- don't really support that. Hence "sleeper.")

I mentioned Hanzal already. I'm not convinced we can sign a better FA-Center than him. Since the stupid new GM kid in Arizona wants to trade Hanzal and they're probably the ones who are the most likely to eat the Datsyuk-cap it would make sense to make a bigger trade that includes Datsyuk and Hanzal.

[kickazz 5,459]

Easy ... Ask 30 teams right now if they'd rather have stamkos or McDavid and 30 gm's take mcdavid

I want a Mustang but does that mean a Corvette isn't better? You're logic makes no sense. What does want have to do with who is better and who isn't. People would take McDavid because he's cheaper and has a bigger upside and can play for 5-6 more years than Stamkos can (who is already 26 years old).

Come on dude. Lol.

Edited June 21, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I want a Mustang but does that mean a Corvette isn't better? You're logic makes no sense. What does want have to do with who is better and who isn't.

OK I stand corrected

Ask 30 gm's who they think is better stamkos or McDavid and they'll all say mcdavid

Happy now ?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

The Bishop stuff is pure rumors, a TB insider talked to his agent and said there's been no dialogue. Bishop has a limited NMC, why would an American goalie on a contender want to go to Calgary? Apparently the price on Fleury is the #6th overall pick, which ain't going to happen. Kenny better be in there, Howard would have to be more affordable than the other two and would probably waive to go to Calgary just to be a starter again.

[kliq 3,755]

Easy ... Ask 30 teams right now if they'd rather have stamkos or McDavid and 30 gm's take mcdavid

That is a very weak argument given the fact McDavid is so young and the sky's the limit. Nobody ever disputed (correct me if I'm wrong Kickazz) that McDavid does not have the higher ceiling, the dispute is who is better.

The question to ask is if you could sign either player to a 1 year deal for the exact same cap hit, knowing that whomever you sign is going to leave after that 1 year, and you had a 100% guarantee that your choice would be healthy for an entire season, who would it be. Personally, I believe Stamkos, and I believe most GM's would choose Stamkos as well.

The Bishop stuff is pure rumors, a TB insider talked to his agent and said there's been no dialogue. Bishop has a limited NMC, why would an American goalie on a contender want to go to Calgary? Apparently the price on Fleury is the #6th overall pick, which ain't going to happen. Kenny better be in there, Howard would have to be more affordable than the other two and would probably waive to go to Calgary just to be a starter again.

If I am Calgary and I either have to trade the #6 pick for Fleury, or a 7th rounder for Howard, I am choosing Howard without a question.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

That is a very weak argument given the fact McDavid is so young and the sky's the limit. Nobody ever disputed (correct me if I'm wrong Kickazz) that McDavid does not have the higher ceiling, the dispute is who is better.

The question to ask is if you could sign either player to a 1 year deal for the exact same cap hit, knowing that whomever you sign is going to leave after that 1 year, and you had a 100% guarantee that your choice would be healthy for an entire season, who would it be. Personally, I believe Stamkos, and I believe most GM's would choose Stamkos as well.

Difference of opinion then, id still choose McDavid if it was one year and believe other gms would as well ... Don't forget he's playing with the oilers where as stamkos has Tampa

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Frank Seravalli makes a good point on Twitter: people using the expansion draft as a reason for Tampa to trade Bishop are wrong, his deal expires next summer so he doesn't need to be protected. Stevie isn't dealing from a position of weakness, why trade Bishop when you're a contender?

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Howard/Pav/Pulkkinen/Pick for Wideman.

It looks like we lose that trade, but we really win.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

As long as Rutherford doesn't cave and give away Fleury, the Flames won't have anywhere to turn but Howard. Unless they want to go with Reimer in FA. I doubt they'd have interest in Pavs contract, I think it would be Howard alone moving to Calgary if anything.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Frank Seravalli makes a good point on Twitter: people using the expansion draft as a reason for Tampa to trade Bishop are wrong, his deal expires next summer so he doesn't need to be protected. Stevie isn't dealing from a position of weakness, why trade Bishop when you're a contender?

vasilevsky is the future number 1 of Tampa and after the way he played in the post season he showed he's ready and why lose bishop for nothing ? And with this move it saves money and with another move or 2 they'll have the money to sign stamkps and others and get a top pick/prospect for bishop

Makes perfect sense ... Bishop is as good as gone

[kickazz 5,459]

vasilevsky is the future number 1 of Tampa and after the way he played in the post season he showed he's ready and why lose bishop for nothing ? And with this move it saves money and with another move or 2 they'll have the money to sign stamkps and others and get a top pick/prospect for bishop

Had Bishop been in net against Pittsburgh, Tampa likely would have won that series. Vasilevsky was likely the reason they had a lesser chance and couldn't win.

Bishop lost only 2 games in the entire Stanley cup playoffs. Even if Tampa trades him, they will be the losers in the deal. Bishop's the real deal. He's one of the best goalies in the league.

Edited June 21, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

OK bishop is the real deal and they would of won the cup with him , vasilevsky sucks and stamkos is a top 3 forward in the league ... Got it

[kickazz 5,459]

OK bishop is the real deal and they would of won the cup with him , vasilevsky sucks and stamkos is a top 3 forward in the league ... Got it

Did you know Dominic Hasek is considered one of the best goalies of all time (better than Patrick Roy). He won two Hart Trophies consecutively and 6 Vezinas, single handedly led the Czech to their first gold medal in the olympics but NEVER won a Stanley cup in all that time?

Did you know that he came to the Red Wings at an older age of 36 and FINALLY won a Stanley cup?

Bet ya didn't. I guess Hasek must have not been the real deal all those years until age 36 when he finally won with the Wings. The Wings we're idiots to acquire him.

Vasilevsky is no where the goalie Bishop is.

Edited June 21, 2016 by kickazz

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

vasilevsky is the future number 1 of Tampa and after the way he played in the post season he showed he's ready and why lose bishop for nothing ? And with this move it saves money and with another move or 2 they'll have the money to sign stamkps and others and get a top pick/prospect for bishop

Makes perfect sense ... Bishop is as good as gone

They won't lose him. They can trade him at the deadline if Vasilevsky has proven he's the number 1. As of now, Bishop is the guy who gives them the best chance to win a cup and that's what Stevie's focused on. It's a different situation than Pittsburgh and us, where the young guy has already proven to be the name over the incumbent.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Did you know Dominic Hasek is considered one of the best goalies of all time (better than Patrick Roy). He won two Hart Trophies consecutively and 6 Vezinas, single handedly led the Czech to their first gold medal in the olympics but NEVER won a Stanley cup in all that time?

Did you know that he came to the Red Wings at an older age of 36 and FINALLY won a Stanley cup?

Bet ya didn't. I guess Hasek must have not been the real deal all those years until age 36 when he finally won with the Wings. The Wings we're idiots to acquire him.

Vasilevsky is no where the goalie Bishop is.

Bet ya didn't lmao ya ok there ... Hasek is my favourite goalie of all time

You bringing hasek into this bishop/vasilevsky makes zero sense and came out of nowhere

Bishop is nowhere near as good as hasek was or ever will be

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Did you know Dominic Hasek is considered one of the best goalies of all time (better than Patrick Roy). He won two Hart Trophies consecutively and 6 Vezinas, single handedly led the Czech to their first gold medal in the olympics but NEVER won a Stanley cup in all that time?

Did you know that he came to the Red Wings at an older age of 36 and FINALLY won a Stanley cup?

Bet ya didn't. I guess Hasek must have not been the real deal all those years until age 36 when he finally won with the Wings. The Wings we're idiots to acquire him. I mean why try to go after a goalie when he's not the real deal?

He pretty much did the same with Buffalo and carried them to that final vs the Stars after reaching Conference finals the year before vs the Capitals. Imagine that he would have faced the 98 Red Wings in the SC Final. First year without him Buffalo didn't even qualify.

And a lot of players do that too, going to a contender team to have one last shot at the cup. Bourque did it with the Av's.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

They won't lose him. They can trade him at the deadline if Vasilevsky has proven he's the number 1. As of now, Bishop is the guy who gives them the best chance to win a cup and that's what Stevie's focused on. It's a different situation than Pittsburgh and us, where the young guy has already proven to be the name over the incumbent.

Tampa got to game 7 vs the cup winners , where Tampa only scored 1 goal ... Think vasilevsky has proven how good he can/will be

There's more value to trading bishop now than at the trade deadline , free's up cash to sign stamkos and make other moves , he can always bring in a veteran backup goalie

We'll see what happens by the weekend , I'm sure we'll see a ton of moves

[kickazz 5,459]

He pretty much did the same with Buffalo and carried them to that final vs the Stars after reaching Conference finals the year before vs the Capitals. Imagine that he would have faced the 98 Red Wings in the SC Final. First year without him Buffalo didn't even qualify.

And a lot of players do that too, going to a contender team to have one last shot at the cup. Bourque did it with the Av's.

Exactly. Not winning a cup doesn't make their value less like. Hasek was da real MVP. The real deal.

Edited June 21, 2016 by kickazz

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Exactly. Not winning a cup doesn't make their value less like. Hasek was da real MVP.

yeah and back then we could afford to make that move, now with the cap...

*sidenote: that Stars vs Sabres final was when I first started watching hockey.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Exactly. Not winning a cup doesn't make their value less like. Hasek was da real MVP. The real deal.

Hasek is a legend ,but it makes no sense why you brought him up , bishop is nowhere near as good as hazek was Edited June 21, 2016 by nyqvististhefuture

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Speaking of Stamkos, Dreger is beginning to sound like a broken record:

"I know that if July 1 were tomorrow, Detroit #RedWings would happily put down a seven-year offer at $10 million per. 1050"

That's from this morning, after saying it yesterday too. But I also read reports that Buffalo would be willing to go 12mil PER YEAR, which is a non starter for me. Lots of questions going to be answered soon.

[kylee 727]

Someone is going to outbid us and we're going to lose Stamkos

[krsmith17 7,191]

If Buffalo offers $12M, they can have him... F*** that!

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Hahaha so teams are asking for athanasiou and svechnikov to take on datsyuks contract , these gm's kill me

If that's the case I hope wings fans won't be pissed if we hang on to pavel's contract for the year

[krsmith17 7,191]

Who is asking for those players? Link?