Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

And yet Holland is voted one of the top GM's in the league every year. He hasn't signed a player to a good contract in at least 6 years. It's evident when we have no trade pieces because all of our contracts are inflated.

By who? Holland didn't even finish top 10 for GM of the year.

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

By who? Holland didn't even finish top 10 for GM of the year.

I read an article a couple weeks ago that still had him as a top 3 gm in the NHL. I'll have to find it.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

"Right now, the expected asking price to take on the Datsyuk deal is a second-round pick and a young player. Detroit isn’t doing that, just so it can go out in free agency and add depth."

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/morning-of-the-draft-trade-talk

Anyone want to pay that price? LeftWInger, does that change your "must trade the contract or he should be fired" stance?

I still hope something gets done so we can make a run a Stamkos.

Edited June 24, 2016 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[Andy Pred 48 337]

KH has got to do something this year, Mr I wants a team capable of challenging when the new arena opens. I can see 3 or 4 moves being made by Kenny.

[krsmith17 7,191]

No way would I trade our 46th pick and a prospect, just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract for one season... I still think the asking price will go down quite a bit, and we'll be able to move it before July 1st...

[chances14 227]

I read an article a couple weeks ago that still had him as a top 3 gm in the NHL. I'll have to find it.

yeah it's the latest hockey news issue in which they did a top 10 gm fantasy draft. holland was 2nd and his disciples nill and yzerman were 3rd and 4th respecitvely

"Right now, the expected asking price to take on the Datsyuk deal is a second-round pick and a young player. Detroit isn’t doing that, just so it can go out in free agency and add depth."

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/morning-of-the-draft-trade-talk

Anyone want to pay that price? LeftWInger, does that change your "must trade the contract or he should be fired" stance?

I still hope something gets done so we can make a run a Stamkos.

if stamkos wants to sign here and holland still refuses to trade the contract, then yes he needs to go

[VM1138 1,921]

"Right now, the expected asking price to take on the Datsyuk deal is a second-round pick and a young player. Detroit isnt doing that, just so it can go out in free agency and add depth."

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This is troubling. Are we only looking to add depth this offseason? I'm not sure what Holland's vision is. So much uncertainty.

[Bannedforlife 403]

"Right now, the expected asking price to take on the Datsyuk deal is a second-round pick and a young player. Detroit isnt doing that, just so it can go out in free agency and add depth."

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/morning-of-the-draft-trade-talk

Anyone want to pay that price? LeftWInger, does that change your "must trade the contract or he should be fired" stance?

I still hope something gets done so we can make a run a Stamkos.

I would do Jurco/Pulkkinen plus a conditional 2017 2nd if we sign Stamkos.

[LeftWinger 4,936]

"Right now, the expected asking price to take on the Datsyuk deal is a second-round pick and a young player. Detroit isnt doing that, just so it can go out in free agency and add depth."[/size]

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/morning-of-the-draft-trade-talk

Anyone want to pay that price? LeftWInger, does that change your "must trade the contract or he should be fired" stance?

I still hope something gets done so we can make a run a Stamkos.

Absolutely I would pay that price. Depending, of course, on which young player. Pulkkinen, Jurco, Nyquist, Tatar yes. Mantha, AA, Larkin no.

Trade Pav, Nyquist, 2nd. That is fine with me. We'll worth opening all that cap room.

It is well known that we aren't looking for depth, we are looking for impact top players. This kukla guy just doesn't have a clue. I prefer to listen to what McKenzie, Dregger, et al have to say over a blogger. I know it was a quote, but you left out the last part. If they do land Stamkos, he would be more willing to make that sort of deal.

Edited June 24, 2016 by LeftWinger

[kickazz 5,459]

Absolutely I would pay that price. Depending, of course, on which young player. Pulkkinen, Jurco, Nyquist, Tatar yes. Mantha, AA, Larkin no.

Trade Pav, Nyquist, 2nd. That is fine with me. We'll worth opening all that cap room.

It is well known that we aren't looking for depth, we are looking for impact top players. This kukla guy just doesn't have a clue. I prefer to listen to what McKenzie, Dregger, et al have to say over a blogger.

You would trade Pav contract, Nyquist and 2nd just to clear $7.5 million dollars? How about some return?? What if we can't sign s*** with the $7.5? We would lose Nyquist and a 2nd pick for nothing.

That's bad management Lefty.

If it was Jurco and 2nd round conditional pick on the condition that we land Stamkos then I'd be okay with it.

You don't give away picks, players just to move cap space without some guarantee. What if Stamkos ends up re-signing with Tampa and we've struck out and end up with Radulov for $7 million for 2 years or something lol.

That's just terrible management. If Holland succumbed to this idiocracy I'll be the first to protest outside his house in Northville to fire him.

Edited June 24, 2016 by kickazz

[LeftWinger 4,936]

I am going with the idea that Holland makes this trade after he signs Stamkos. Of course it's a lot to give up with no guarantee. But it wasn't said in the quote that the trade would be made before July 1. As a matter of fact the rest of the quote referred to being after the fact if Stamkos is signed. If we land Stamkos then a 2nd and Nyquist is well worth it.

[kickazz 5,459]

Still wouldn't give up Nyquist. He's got much more value than cap space deal. I'd rather do 2nd round + Jurco/Pulk

[LeftWinger 4,936]

Don't forget you'd also be clearing Nyquist salary, which will help lesson the hurt of having to keep Howard on board if he can't be traded.

Still wouldn't give up Nyquist. He's got much more value than cap space deal. I'd rather do 2nd round + Jurco/Pulk

Me too, but if we land Stamkos for $10m, maybe another forward for $5m, plus a defenseman, then his cap is needed.

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

If the only way to trade the contract is a prospect and 2nd rounder I hope we stand pat. I understand a player like Stamkos doesn't hit free agency often but let's be realistic about our chances to get him. First of all he could re-sign with Tampa. If he doesn't I think 12 mill is the price for him. No thanks on that. I'd rather keep Datsyuk's contract, struggle one year and end the stupid streak, get a high draft pick next year and go hard after free agents in 2017.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Datsyukian-Deke

[kickazz 5,459]

Trading Nyquist with the contract might just be enough to offer Stamkos the $12 million Buffalo is likely to offer him actually. Not sure about defenseman or other pieces. We'd still have to make other moves for that.

Edited June 24, 2016 by kickazz

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

This is troubling. Are we only looking to add depth this offseason? I'm not sure what Holland's vision is. So much uncertainty.

Oops, the way I quoted the passage is a little misleading. In the link it's saying that we wouldn't do that just to add depth, but then goes on saying that we might if it was to bring in Stamkos or a big piece. It's just the writer's speculation anyway. I just grabbed that section because of the reported price.

Edited June 24, 2016 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[LeftWinger 4,936]

IMO, this team is better with Stamkos and Ladd than Stamkos and Nyquist.

Adding Gustav to the trade will make teams jump at it more than Pulkkinen.

[sjr2012 439]

i would go a 2nd Pulks Dats or a 2nd jurco dats not both jurco and pulks if we dont get anything in return

[LeftWinger 4,936]

It's been awhile since we heard that Holland offered contracts to Miller and Helm. You'd have to think the offers were well below market or one or both would've signed by now. I have to think that they are going to test the market. Adios, if you ask me...

[VM1138 1,921]

It's been awhile since we heard that Holland offered contracts to Miller and Helm. You'd have to think the offers were well below market or one or both would've signed by now. I have to think that they are going to test the market. Adios, if you ask me...

This team just might be an actual bottom seed next year with all the bodies we are losing, unless Holland pulls off some miracles.

Losing Quincey, Helm, Miller, Datsyuk. Kronwall, Z declining. Possible sophomore slump for Mrazek. It could get ugly...

[Dominator2005 558]

I can live without Helm. He's not top 6 forward and he should not be playing as a top 6 forward.

[sjr2012 439]

I can live without Helm. He's not top 6 forward and he should not be playing as a top 6 forward.

agree soild 4th line maybe 3rd liner

[xtrememachine1 795]

So Thomas Vanek just became available.

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/wilds-thomas-vanek-wild-will-buy-out-contract/

He's in decline for sure, but with him being bought out, maybe he could be had for a good price.

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

I know we all would love trouba to be a redwing although I doubt it could ever happen cause I don't see the jets at the end of the day actually moving him

But anyways here it goes ...

Minnesota gets - nyquist and svechnikov

Redwings get - brodin and 15th overall pick

We then ship brodin and the 15th pick for Jacob trouba

Would anyone do that trade? Realistic? I brought in the wild cause we don't have what I think the jets would want , they got a ton of forwards and forward prospects coming so I figured if the jets were to part with trouba they'd want a dman in return and we can't afford to part with dekeyer

Now the wild apparently have made it known the 15th pick is available as they want to acquire pieces to help them now

now let me have it

no Svechnikov could be a stud

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

It's been awhile since we heard that Holland offered contracts to Miller and Helm. You'd have to think the offers were well below market or one or both would've signed by now. I have to think that they are going to test the market. Adios, if you ask me...

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/06/19/detroit-red-wings-darren-helm-free-agency/86116962/

Helm is going to talk to other teams during the interview period.

He shouldn't be in the top 6 (unless for the sake of balancing attack over 3 solid lines - which we don't have the personnel for), but the "maybe a 3rd liner" stuff is crazy to me. Hope we keep him. Miller, not so much...

Edited June 24, 2016 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk