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Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

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While I would love a player like Lucic I dont trust the guy. Ive said before I feel he will be the next NHL to come out as having a major chemical dependence problem. Dude has to be coked up to act the way he does sometimes. Dont want him getting a big money contract. I would have loved the Martin rumors had Miller not gotten the new contract. Only really makes sense if Holland is looking to offer up some of our younger bottom six guys in a move for a dman but in reality who would want any of them outside of AA. You cant trade away AA with Helm walking. Hes a direct replacement with a higher ceiling. It seems Detroit is exploring everyone on the market. Maybe thats Kenny's plan. Be in on everyone so nobody knows your true plans.


And he's one hit away from being Franzen 2.0.

So is Crosby but that wouldnt stop every team in the league from jumping at the chance to acquire him

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Too many players deserving big contracts is a good problem to have. That would mean 1. We're contenders. 2. If we can't afford em, we can acquire a hell of a lot in a trade. Why do you think the Blackhawks have great secondary players seemingly come out of nowhere every other year? Putting together an elite core is the #1 priority right now. Stamkos would become a huge part of said core for many years.

Ya somehow I knew you'd bring the hawks Into this ... Thing is stamkos is no Kane or toews that's the problem and they have a solid 1-2 dman pair ... And before you say it yes stamkos is better at goal scoring than Kane/toews but no near as complete as they are

Anyways if we do land him believe me nothing would make me happier than if he came here and scored 40 five straight years

We'll see what happens Friday

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I wouldn't say anyone is saying we go to the other extreme. Adding a big winger or two doesn't make us Anaheim or Boston, it would give us a nice mix.

I don't have a problem with big wingers who can skate. But that excludes guys like Lucic and to a lesser extent Backes and Ladd (who are only going to get slower as they age). None of them play with the tempo that we should be playing with to maximize our potential. Okposos can. And he's bigger and tougher than any of our current wingers (aside from Abby), so I'd be fine with him. Otherwise we're just negating our biggest asset. Team speed.

The the only big winger on Pittsburgh's team (who actually played) was Fehr, and he's a fourth liner. The only big winger for Tampa (who actually plays) is Killorn, and he's 6'1, 200 lbs. Hardly a brute. Chicago? Ladd (after the trade) and Weise (after the trade). Before that? Hossa. Hardly a brute.

Point is, people thinking that you need these giants to "add another dimension" are dramatically overvaluing that "added dimension". Big brutes are struggling in today's game. They can't keep up. As unpopular as it may be, I'd be thrilled with a couple of Franzen's. Guys who are big enough to hold the puck in the offensive zone, but who can skate and score.

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And he's one hit away from being Franzen 2.0.

Never said I wanted him here , said he's someone I can definetly see holland signing and since he's 32 it sure as hell better not be anything more then 5 yrs

I think the best way to improve this team is through a trade ... Lucic and Brouwer might be something to look for , we need to get bigger and meaner, more physical ... s*** I forgot we signed Miller back so we're ok now

So you're okay with a guy who has a concussion history but not a guy who had a one time blood clot issue?

I'd rather not bring any of them .... Well I'll rephrase that , I'd bring stamkos at 8-8.5 per year but we both know that won't happen

Another guy I'd consider through a trade is Taylor hall ... Locked up at 6 per for another 4 years , yes I know he's never hit 50 but he's younger and good cap number and desperately needs out of Edmonton , won't hold it against him for playing in that s***hole, think he'd hit 40 here

Sadly we have nothing Edmonton would want unless we shipped them dekeyer In a deal and that's not happening

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If He Somehow Managed To Dump E, Howard and Nyquist's salary also? Talk about cap space!

Ericsson to Dallas is the only slim chance we might have , Howard is sadly going nowhere till the expansion draft

Nyquist could be used in a package for a dman , I wouldn't just trade him away though

Must respectfully disagree.

Looking at our 3rd/4th lines - who exactly is vastly superior than Martin?

As far as I can tell - nobody really is - especially when it comes to physical play, and retorts (referring to Miller should be using 'Just For Men' hair care products).

He's a Windsor native - I'm guessing he grew up a Wings fan...Time to play for the 'home team' :cool:

We got enough bottom guys though and a ton of kids going for roster spots and a chance to play ... Miller glendening sheahan mantha Tatar ... Possibly jurco frk pulkkinen . Why add a 3-4 million salary for a 4th liner now?

Sooner or later these kids are gonna have to get a shot to make the team

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Must respectfully disagree.

Looking at our 3rd/4th lines - who exactly is vastly superior than Martin?

As far as I can tell - nobody really is - especially when it comes to physical play, and retorts (referring to Miller should be using 'Just For Men' hair care products).

He's a Windsor native - I'm guessing he grew up a Wings fan...Time to play for the 'home team' :cool:

Better at what? Hitting? Nobody. We've got nobody who hits as good as Martin. But pretty much all of our bottom end guys are better players than Martin. Did you know that Martin doesn't kill penalties? Really, he's supposed to be the "ideal" bottom end winger and he doesn't even kill penalties for his own team. .02 short handed minutes per game for Martin this year. You know who does? Clutterbuck. And he scores WAY more than Martin too. If everybody were going nuts for a guy like Clutterbuck I'd agree with them. But not Martin. He's not even the best fourth line winger on his own team.

Say what you want about Miller (and I don't even want the guy on the team) but at least he does one thing reasonably well that helps teams win games. He kills penalties reliably. Martin does nothing but chase the puck around and hit guys. Whoopdie do! You know who else used to do that? Jordin Tootoo, and what a stud he was for the Red Wings.

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Must agree...It's disingenuous to claim 1 thing, or another.

Adding some size, and physicality to this roster would only help rather than hinder.

Only if they can skate. Otherwise it does hinder us. Slow hockey is losing hockey. There are plenty of big, physical, wingers who are fast. I'm all on board for those guys. But Lucic and Martin aren't them. That's all I'm saying.

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So he wasn't on the pk while a NYI - is that the end of the world?

I personally want my 3rd/4th liners to play with an edge which is what Martin does...He also chips in respectable pts for his ice time.

For a guy who averages a little over 10 min a game - he's a guy that could help us.

Help us do what? Hit people? It would be a help if he could score. Or defend. Or kill penalties. He doesn't do any of those things better than Miller does.

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Speed isn't everything - especially if ya got hands of stone, or little hockey sense.

Speed kinda is everything though. What's the difference between Matt Cullen, Luke Glendening, Darren Helm, and Matt Martin? None of them have good hands. None are noticeably smarter hockey players. But the first three, because they're fast, get more scoring chances (and as a result capitalize more often). And they can kill penalties...because they can skate. Martin can't. And so he doesn't.

I don't have a problem with physicality. But if that's all you're getting then you're not really helping yourself.

My ideal fourth line for the Wings is Glendening-Helm-Bertuzzi/Callahan. None hit like Martin. All are WAY better players though.

His overall point production is on par with Miller.

Martin hits more, and is abrasive.

Miller kills pen, and Martin does not.

To me - it's all a personal preference, and we're splitting hairs when comparing who brings what to the table.

It's not splitting hairs. Hitting doesn't win games. Offensive and defense do. Neither Miller nor Martin are great offensively. But only one of them is good defensively. It ain't Martin.

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And Howard? please please please can we have that too!??!??

He will end up in Vegas...next year...

Ericsson to Dallas is the only slim chance we might have , Howard is sadly going nowhere till the expansion draft

Nyquist could be used in a package for a dman , I wouldn't just trade him away though

We got enough bottom guys though and a ton of kids going for roster spots and a chance to play ... Miller glendening sheahan mantha Tatar ... Possibly jurco frk pulkkinen . Why add a 3-4 million salary for a 4th liner now?

Sooner or later these kids are gonna have to get a shot to make the team

4th line = Grind Line

What are our options? Jurco, Pulks and Frk are drafted as a skilled players not grinders. 4th line options, we don't have.

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Speed kinda is everything though. What's the difference between Matt Cullen, Luke Glendening, Darren Helm, and Matt Martin? None of them have good hands. None are noticeably smarter hockey players. But the first three, because they're fast, get more scoring chances (and as a result capitalize more often). And they can kill penalties...because they can skate. Martin can't. And so he doesn't.

I don't have a problem with physicality. But if that's all you're getting then you're not really helping yourself.

My ideal fourth line for the Wings is Glendening-Helm-Bertuzzi/Callahan. None hit like Martin. All are WAY better players though.

It's not splitting hairs. Hitting doesn't win games. Offensive and defense do. Neither Miller nor Martin are great offensively. But only one of them is good defensively. It ain't Martin.

Martin is a strong skater. I have no idea where are you going with this. Even KH admitted that he needs bigger and tougher players... I guess in your ideal world, KH will bring Flip and Hudler back and call it a day. We have fashion models and not hockey players... Lucic, Martin are hockey players. Edited by Dominator2005

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TSN has "odds" as to who will get Stamkos. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-oilers-meet-with-lucic-red-wings-to-pursue-stamkos%7E900844

They have them listed as:

TB - 3-1

Detroit - 3-1

Buffalo - 4-1

Toronto - 9-2

Montreal - 13-2

Vancouver - 9-1

Boston - 10-1

Of course take this with a grain of salt, but its still nice to see us as the favourites.

Edited by kliq

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