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As bad as the roster looks, and as bad as losing out on Stamkos is, it might be a blessing in disguise. We have to play young players now, we don't have a choice. No free agent that we could woo is going to make us a contender. At this point I wish Kenny would just buyout Ericsson and we go really young on the back end, a bump in the road for one reason during the retool could do a lot of good.

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Nobody cares about it except ownership and management.

I care. I think it's something to be proud of. It's certainly not something that comes easy. It shouldn't be a goal unto itself and I don't think it is.

Tanking would be something were I would embarrassed for the team and disappointed in the organization.

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I'm honestly dreading Friday with Stamkos not an option now. This is worst case scenario for the Red Wings. Holland with cap space and no appealing options that are going to drastically alter the direction of the franchise in the near future. I wasn't even fully onboard with pursuing Stamkos, but once Pav's contract got moved, it was Stamkos or bust for me.

Now we just potentially gave up a future first pairing d-man in the draft when they could have sat on Pav's money for a year, let the young guys play and continue stockpiling prospects. Instead we are staring at David Backes for five years or some other terrible contract when that is the last thing the Wings need at this point.

For once Holland, please do nothing. Kick every single tire, but I truly hope nothing happens. Give me Larkin, AA, Mantha, Tatar and Nyquist in larger roles next season.

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I'm honestly dreading Friday with Stamkos not an option now. This is worst case scenario for the Red Wings. Holland with cap space and no appealing options that are going to drastically alter the direction of the franchise in the near future. I wasn't even fully onboard with pursuing Stamkos, but once Pav's contract got moved, it was Stamkos or bust for me.

Now we just potentially gave up a future first pairing d-man in the draft when they could have sat on Pav's money for a year, let the young guys play and continue stockpiling prospects. Instead we are staring at David Backes for five years or some other terrible contract when that is the last thing the Wings need at this point.

For once Holland, please do nothing. Kick every single tire, but I truly hope nothing happens. Give me Larkin, AA, Mantha, Tatar and Nyquist in larger roles next season.

These two better step up next year, especially in the playoffs which they both can't handle very well :/

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These two better step up next year, especially in the playoffs which they both can't handle very well :/

Not to be too much of a downer, but I'm thinking the playoffs might not be a problem the way things are looking. With better usage next season, I think both of them will bounce back nicely.

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The more and more I think about it, we need to push hard for Okposo. We are also in need of bonafide centers. If we can get Eric Staal here on a low cost/low term contract, I say go for it. He's 31, he's had a couple of off seasons, but I just don't believe someone with that much skill and talent just loses it when they're 29/30. He was on a terrible Carolina team with limited line-mates that could really do much in terms of scoring and I have to believe he just got worn down by years and years of playing on a poor team. I'd also like to see us look at Ladd. I would like to steer clear of Nielsen as he's already 32 and doesn't really add anything different to the team. Holland needs to package Nyquist + for Fowler or Shattenkirk. I've got a bad feeling by his comments today, after Stamkos's decision. One other thought is if picking up Nielsen helps us pick up Okposo - then I guess that's okay, assuming Nielsen won't cost too much. They can play on the same line as they have in NYI.

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Chychrun is not projected to be 1st pairing material which caused him to drop from 2ND overall to 16. It would have been a good trade to drop down 4 spots & pick up an extra second without dumping Datsyuks contract.

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The more and more I think about it, we need to push hard for Okposo. We are also in need of bonafide centers. If we can get Eric Staal here on a low cost/low term contract, I say go for it. He's 31, he's had a couple of off seasons, but I just don't believe someone with that much skill and talent just loses it when they're 29/30. He was on a terrible Carolina team with limited line-mates that could really do much in terms of scoring and I have to believe he just got worn down by years and years of playing on a poor team. I'd also like to see us look at Ladd. I would like to steer clear of Nielsen as he's already 32 and doesn't really add anything different to the team. Holland needs to package Nyquist + for Fowler or Shattenkirk. I've got a bad feeling by his comments today, after Stamkos's decision. One other thought is if picking up Nielsen helps us pick up Okposo - then I guess that's okay, assuming Nielsen won't cost too much. They can play on the same line as they have in NYI.

what were his comments? i havent heard anything

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As bad as the roster looks, and as bad as losing out on Stamkos is, it might be a blessing in disguise. We have to play young players now, we don't have a choice. No free agent that we could woo is going to make us a contender. At this point I wish Kenny would just buyout Ericsson and we go really young on the back end, a bump in the road for one reason during the retool could do a lot of good.

It's too bad the kids play in detroit only when we're forced to play them

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Chychrun is not projected to be 1st pairing material which caused him to drop from 2ND overall to 16. It would have been a good trade to drop down 4 spots & pick up an extra second without dumping Datsyuks contract.

He was a top five prospect in many rankings for much of last year. He's exactly what the Red Wings don't have in the pipeline right now. Much more upside with Chychrun than a project like Cholowski. Trading Pavel's contract does nothing for the Red Wings if you don't use the cap space or even worse, spend it poorly now. It was only for one year and the team isn't going anywhere regardless.

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what were his comments? i havent heard anything

"We've got cap space. We'd like to sign somebody. We got to let this system play itself out," Holland said Wednesday. "Some of these guys might re-sign with their teams. I think there's probably 10 or 12 teams doing the same thing we're doing and we'll see what happens over the next week." - Ken Holland

He just sounds defeated and I think that's the wrong attitude to take when you've said so many things about improving the team and adding 2-3 players in the past few weeks.

He was a top five prospect in many rankings for much of last year. He's exactly what the Red Wings don't have in the pipeline right now. Much more upside with Chychrun than a project like Cholowski. Trading Pavel's contract does nothing for the Red Wings if you don't use the cap space or even worse, spend it poorly now. It was only for one year and the team isn't going anywhere regardless.

He needs to do everything in his power to bring in Okposo with that cap. I just feel that's the best use of it. Bring in a center as well and try to trade for a top 4 D.

Let's say Holland completely strikes out, gets no one. This would be our lineup options:

Tatar - Larkin - Abdelkader

Svechnikov - Zetterberg - Nyquist

Athanasiou - Sheahan - Mantha

Miller - Glendening - Jurco

Pulkkinen

Frk

The top 6 have potential, although I hate Z at center. The bottom six kind of makes me want to puke. Especially the 4th line. Although, if Frk comes in and beats out Jurco, Pulkkinen, he played with a bit of an edge last season in GR so maybe he helps and moves his way up the roster a little bit. This just really shows the importance of making a trade for D while we have assets, and bringing in some proven scoring/grit.

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He was a top five prospect in many rankings for much of last year. He's exactly what the Red Wings don't have in the pipeline right now. Much more upside with Chychrun than a project like Cholowski. Trading Pavel's contract does nothing for the Red Wings if you don't use the cap space or even worse, spend it poorly now. It was only for one year and the team isn't going anywhere regardless.

We have a few guys in the system that project to being a 3 or 4. Cholowski has the potential to develop into a #2. If we were to stay at 16 I would have wanted Fabbro.

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I care. I think it's something to be proud of. It's certainly not something that comes easy. It shouldn't be a goal unto itself and I don't think it is.

Tanking would be something were I would embarrassed for the team and disappointed in the organization.

I've been saying the Streak is important for a long time. Usually no one listens or responds. Management clearly wants to extend the Streak. Fans need to accept this. They can rail and rant against it, but saying it doesn't matter is silly. It matters and our expectations should adjust accordingly.

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"We've got cap space. We'd like to sign somebody. We got to let this system play itself out," Holland said Wednesday. "Some of these guys might re-sign with their teams. I think there's probably 10 or 12 teams doing the same thing we're doing and we'll see what happens over the next week." - Ken Holland

He just sounds defeated and I think that's the wrong attitude to take when you've said so many things about improving the team and adding 2-3 players in the past few weeks.

He needs to do everything in his power to bring in Okposo with that cap. I just feel that's the best use of it. Bring in a center as well and try to trade for a top 4 D.

Let's say Holland completely strikes out, gets no one. This would be our lineup options:

Tatar - Larkin - Abdelkader

Svechnikov - Zetterberg - Nyquist

Athanasiou - Sheahan - Mantha

Miller - Glendening - Jurco

Pulkkinen

Frk

The top 6 have potential, although I hate Z at center. The bottom six kind of makes me want to puke. Especially the 4th line. Although, if Frk comes in and beats out Jurco, Pulkkinen, he played with a bit of an edge last season in GR so maybe he helps and moves his way up the roster a little bit. This just really shows the importance of making a trade for D while we have assets, and bringing in some proven scoring/grit.

thank you! i personally hope we go after okposo

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It's too bad the kids play in detroit only when we're forced to play them

The Wings don't have any first-line future stars in the minors. This is why Detroit relies on the over-ripe philosophy. Don't people get this by now? Their young players aren't new versions of Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, or Datsyuk. They're Doug Browns, Slava Kozlovs, Kirk Maltbys, and other good but supporting players. Expecting every prospect to blossom into an all-star is folly.

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The Wings don't have any first-line future stars in the minors. This is why Detroit relies on the over-ripe philosophy. Don't people get this by now? Their young players aren't new versions of Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, or Datsyuk. They're Doug Browns, Slava Kozlovs, Kirk Maltbys, and other good but supporting players. Expecting every prospect to blossom into an all-star is folly.

Might not all be stars but some like athanasiou who was way better than most players in the lineup should of had more ice time and responsibilities and yet still barely played ... We've always relied on the veterans way too much , even when we shouldn't

And again all the prospects might not be star prospects but Your clearly over exaggerating yourself comparing them to Browns and maltbys ... Give me a break

Athanasiou mantha and svechnikov down the road have a good shot at being good top 6 guys given a good chance

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if i knew we could trade tats jurco pulks or goose with a pick for a good Dman possibly (fowler)i would take a chance on Okposo and Staal

Z Staal Okposo

Mantha Larkin Abby

Shehan AA Jurco/pulks/tats/goose

Miller Glen Nosek

DD Fowler

Kronwall Green

March Smith

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Bad? decent? could we afford it?

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Just trade for fowler

Throw huge offer sheet at kucherov if possible

Or do nothing

This!! I say we offer sheet kucherov and then sign one of the free agents. Tamapa does not have the cap space to match our offer. Obviously we will overpay a bit but it would totally be worth it.

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Might not be the worst thing in the world to do nothing. I want to win a cup and sadly I don't think we do that now by signing free agents. The only way this team is going to be a bonafide contender in a few years is to get an Auston Matthews type player. And unfortunately that only happens by tanking. Stamkos would have allowed us to keep afloat for a few more years but I don't think Okposo or any combination of the other free agents makes us a contender.

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Might not be the worst thing in the world to do nothing. I want to win a cup and sadly I don't think we do that now by signing free agents. The only way this team is going to be a bonafide contender in a few years is to get an Auston Matthews type player. And unfortunately that only happens by tanking. Stamkos would have allowed us to keep afloat for a few more years but I don't think Okposo or any combination of the other free agents makes us a contender.

There is no honor in tanking. It's a terrible idea to purposely tank and I cannot comprehend how some of you suggest it as an option. There are other ways to get back and we'll find our way there.

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Khan and HSJ have been beating the Ladd and Brouwer drums to death. This is pants-pissingly scary to me. I fear there's real potential there for an albatross contract or two. Same with Nielsen, who I love, but is already 31 and doesn't necessarily make us a substantially better team. I guess Backes falls into this category as well, but the one thing about him is that he can still function as a 1C (I think? Maybe? Possibly? If he tries really hard?) and he's coming off an impressive postseason -- though, granted, excelling as a winger on a deep Blues team that can prop you up is very different from driving the bus as a top-line centerman on a middling-at-best Wings team. And, of course, he -- like Ladd and Brouwer and certainly Lucic -- is inevitably going to wear his body down to nothing, and it's not going to be pretty when it happens. I'm not big on Lucic, and I don't think we're on his radar anyway. I do like Okposo quite a bit. Seems we all do. I'd say the talent gap between him and Stamkos isn't actually all that big, though he's a winger and Stamkos is a centerman, which is a crucial distinction. (Ideally, your best player is not a winger.) He's a couple years older then Stamkos, for what it's worth.

Martin Hanzal is still My Guy. If not him, maybe Jordan Staal? Either one of these would be a serviceable 1C. Staal's contract is pretty massive, though. I don't know what either player would cost. I'd like to think it'd be, like, Tatar/Nyquist + Ouellet/Marchenko, but I dunno. Sheahan or Athanasiou might have to be in play. :confused:

Larkin may have to step into the 1C role straight-away. Athanasiou may have to ascend to the 2C role quickly. Things could get really dicey next season. Oof.

In terms of defensemen....

Try for Shattenkirk. If it costs Tatar or Nyquist, swallow the pill and pull the trigger; you'll feel better in the morning. As I've said, I'm not high on Fowler. Great skater, but that's about it. I fear he's our primary D target. As I've also said, I love Mattias Ekholm. I wonder if the Preds wouldn't take Tatar or Nyquist for him, as they're always looking for scoring depth. Granted, we should also be thinking about scoring depth, but Ekholm would give us a true two-way defenseman (like Dekeyser, but, arguably, better), someone who can suppress shots with the best of them but also drive possession and offense. Ryan Ellis is another "possible possibility," I guess.

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