• Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Hockeytown0001

Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

Ott won't play more than ten games. Mark it. He's just a random depth signing like Tootoo, only Tootoo could still play a little hockey, too.

Lmao. Tootoo is not anywhere close to being better than ott. Even at this point in their respective careers, or at literally any point in their careers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The way I see it, no players were taken on outside of Neilson that has to be protected for the expansion draft. If Vanek plays well and decided Detroit is a good fit, he can re-sign after the draft. So on the bright side, at least we shouldn't lose anyone meaningful when that time comes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So ken hollad made us basically an older team... f*** holland and his love of veterans

Nielson: 32 younger than Datsyuk: 37

Vanek: 32 younger than Richards: 36

How did we get older? Ott is 33 which isn't even that old and he won't play much. He only played 21 games last year.

Pretty much our lineup will look like this:

Larkin - Z - Abdelkader

Nyquist - Nielsen - Vanek

Helm - She - Tatar

Miller - LG - Ott

Jurco

AA and Mantha = Grand Rapids

DeKe - Kronwall

Errorson - Green

Smith - Marchenko

Ouellet

I don't think anyone realistically thinks AA won't be on the team. I think Ott will be a GR call up.

Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nielson: 32 younger than Datsyuk: 37

Vanek: 32 younger than Richards: 36

How did we get older? Ott is 33 which isn't even that old and he won't play much. He only played 21 games last year.

I don't think anyone realistically thinks AA won't be on the team. I think Ott will be a GR call up.

If plan is to play AA on the 4th line then for him is better to play for Grand Rapids.

I can't see Helm (almost $4M) playing on the 4th line... and people joked about paying Martin $2.5M for playing on the 4th line...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  

You're obviously too young to remember the days of Paul Ysebaert, Kevin Miller, Sheldon Kennedy, Keith Primeau, and the numerous other young guys the Wings played before the glory years of the late 90s began.

Also, how long do you think Fedorov, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, and Yzerman played in the minors?

You're point about Larkin is exactly right, though. He's a special case, a top 5 talent that fell to us in the draft. Most of the other kids we draft aren't ready for the spotlight, hence "not good enough" (i.e.--destined for "overripening").

When the Wings start drafting higher, we'll see the overripening philosophy diminish. Just like in the early 90s.

Too young lmao I wish f*** I remember all those scraps and more

Those 4 you named were hall of famers and pretty sure Zetterberg and datsyuk started at 21-23 so I wouldn't compare them , no ones saying Tatar and nyquist are superstars or mantha will be a hall of famer the fact is we tend to always play veterans more than some kids who can actually play cause we've just always preferred playing the vet over the kid

Look at last year with athanasiou , not saying he'll get 70-80 pts but he was clearly one of our best players and we always gave him low ice time over the vets

If the kid is good enough to play and makes our team better then he should play ...and I'm not talking about a 18 yr old , if he's 21-22 and played 2-3 yrs in grand.rapids and is ready just give him ice time

The way I see it, no players were taken on outside of Neilson that has to be protected for the expansion draft. If Vanek plays well and decided Detroit is a good fit, he can re-sign after the draft. So on the bright side, at least we shouldn't lose anyone meaningful when that time comes.

Also means we're likely to protect helm after today

Nielsen

athansiou

Mantha

Tatar/nyquist

Abdelkader

Sheahan

Helm

???! Unless we actually use a spot on Zetterberg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If plan is to play AA on the 4th line then for him is better to play for Grand Rapids.

I can't see Helm (almost $4M) playing on the 4th line... and people joked about paying Martin $2.5M for playing on the 4th line...

Glendening's the 4C. Guarantee AA will be on the 3rd line center or alternating center with Sheahan.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Too young lmao I wish f*** I remember all those scraps and more

Those 4 you named were hall of famers and pretty sure Zetterberg and datsyuk started at 21-23 so I wouldn't compare them , no ones saying Tatar and nyquist are superstars or mantha will be a hall of famer the fact is we tend to always play veterans more than some kids who can actually play cause we've just always preferred playing the vet over the kid

Look at last year with athanasiou , not saying he'll get 70-80 pts but he was clearly one of our best players and we always gave him low ice time over the vets

If the kid is good enough to play and makes our team better then he should play ...and I'm not talking about a 18 yr old , if he's 21-22 and played 2-3 yrs in grand.rapids and is ready just give him ice time

Also means we're likely to protect helm after today

Nielsen

athansiou

Mantha

Tatar/nyquist

Abdelkader

Sheahan

Helm

???! Unless we actually use a spot on Zetterberg

I would leave Helm exposed

Glendening's the 4C. Guarantee AA will be on the 3rd line center or alternating center with Sheahan.

And Helm will be playing where?

If they don't move Nyquist/Tatar for defensive help, AA will stay down and they will keep him down for his development. Again, I'm not saying that it should be the case but re-signing Helm f***ed up everything

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would leave Helm exposed

And Helm will be playing where?

If they don't move Nyquist/Tatar for defensive help, AA will stay down and they will keep him down for his development. Again, I'm not saying that it should be the case but re-signing Helm f***ed up everything

Yea I don't see how this can be the team that we go into the season with. Holland is so protective of assets so I don't see us losing players for nothing. There has to be a trade and my guess is it will be Fowler. And I don't buy when he says he is done. Just like I didn't buy when he said he wasn't optimistic to trade Datsyuk's contract.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would leave Helm exposed

And Helm will be playing where?

If they don't move Nyquist/Tatar for defensive help, AA will stay down and they will keep him down for his development. Again, I'm not saying that it should be the case but re-signing Helm f***ed up everything

My bad. I didn't quite realize how congested it is. I don't how they sort things out.

I do think AA earned his spot. Helm did say he didn't mind playing on the lower lines, but I don't think the 4th line will be his spot for much time.

With what we have, I'd like to see something like:

Larkin-Zetterberg-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek

Helm-AA-Tatar

Sheahan-Glendening-Jurco

Miller-Pulkkinen (Ott in GR until injuries)

Maybe switch Vanek and Abby to make the 2nd line better defensively. And by the end of year Larkin is 1C and maybe then you switch Tatar and Z if he does the late year lull in production that we've seen in recent years.

Edit: Or

Larkin-Zetterberg-Tatar

Nyquist-Nielsen-Abdelkader

Helm-AA-Vanek

Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My bad. I didn't quite realize how congested it is. I don't how they sort things out.

I do think AA earned his spot. Helm did say he didn't mind playing on the lower lines, but I don't think the 4th line will be his spot for much time.

With what we have, I'd like to see something like:

Larkin-Zetterberg-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek

Helm-AA-Tatar

Sheahan-Glendening-Jurco

Miller-Pulkkinen (Ott in GR until injuries)

Maybe switch Vanek and Abby to make the 2nd line better defensively. And by the end of year Larkin is 1C and maybe then you switch Tatar and Z if he does the late year lull in production that we've seen in recent years.

Edit: Or Tat on 1st line and Abby and Vanek each shuffle down a line

KH needs to move forward(s) for defense otherwise actual roster makes no sense

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just listened to the Looch interview holy this guy has shoulders that look massive even without gear, such a great signing envy of the Oilers

McJesus and Eichel really changes the game for Buffalo and Edmonton

Still won't make the playoffs. Keep dreamin'

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Too young lmao I wish f*** I remember all those scraps and more

Those 4 you named were hall of famers and pretty sure Zetterberg and datsyuk started at 21-23 so I wouldn't compare them , no ones saying Tatar and nyquist are superstars or mantha will be a hall of famer the fact is we tend to always play veterans more than some kids who can actually play cause we've just always preferred playing the vet over the kid

 

Then you should get this. When the Wings have young guys that can play, they play. When they have low draft picks that need seasoning, they are sent to the minors to to develop. You made my point for me. You're so focused on the overripe buzzword that you're missing the forest for the trees.

If the Wings drafted higher, if they drafted players with better natural, God-given talent, they wouldn't have to "overripen" kids. Larkin proved this. But if a kid has to spend 3-4 years in the AHL to develop, then, yeah, he's got to prove he can play in the NHL before he's promoted to full-time duty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My bad. I didn't quite realize how congested it is. I don't how they sort things out.

I do think AA earned his spot. Helm did say he didn't mind playing on the lower lines, but I don't think the 4th line will be his spot for much time.

With what we have, I'd like to see something like:

Larkin-Zetterberg-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek

Helm-AA-Tatar

Sheahan-Glendening-Jurco

Miller-Pulkkinen (Ott in GR until injuries)

Maybe switch Vanek and Abby to make the 2nd line better defensively. And by the end of year Larkin is 1C and maybe then you switch Tatar and Z if he does the late year lull in production that we've seen in recent years.

Edit: Or

Larkin-Zetterberg-Tatar

Nyquist-Nielsen-Abdelkader

Helm-AA-Vanek

Realistically speaking PVD.. We both know Miller will be playing all 82 games. Management/coaches like him too much. It seems Jurco, Pulk, Mantha are SOL this year, perhaps even AA as well.

Unless Neilsen's PK ability makes Miller expendable. Which imo it should but might not.

Hopefully there's a trade.

Edited by kickazz

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Negatives:

1. After dumping Datsyuk's contract, the Wings didn't get a chance to sign Stamkos.

2. Too many forwards, not enough D.

Positives:

1. Signed a 2C for less term/money than his former team offered him.

2. Signed Vanek on a 1-year "show me" contract.

3. Signed Ott who admitted it has been a lifelong dream to play for the Wings.

That about wraps up today.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Realistically speaking PVD.. We both know Miller will be playing all 82 games. Management/coaches like him too much. It seems Jurco, Pulk, Mantha are SOL this year, perhaps even AA as well.

Unless Neilsen's PK ability makes Miller expendable. Which imo it should but might not.

Hopefully there's a trade.

I wish we could trade Ouellet, Pulks/Jurco, and a first for Fowler. Relieves some of the logjam at forward and gives up a defenseman who can play the puck and the point on the PP.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

Then you should get this. When the Wings have young guys that can play, they play. When they have low draft picks that need seasoning, they are sent to the minors to to develop. You made my point for me. You're so focused on the overripe buzzword that you're missing the forest for the trees.

If the Wings drafted higher, if they drafted players with better natural, God-given talent, they wouldn't have to "overripen" kids. Larkin proved this. But if a kid has to spend 3-4 years in the AHL to develop, then, yeah, he's got to prove he can play in the NHL before he's promoted to full-time duty.

No s*** if we drafted a top 3 player they'd be playing but just because we don't doesn't mean every prospect has to wait 4 years in the minors .... Your telling me Tatar wasn't ready after 3 years In Grand Rapids?nyquist? Don't tell me they weren't ready

It's quite obvious Detroit has always preferred the veterans over younger talent ... Just look what they did now , they signed ott who hasn't been relevant in 7 years , signed vanek on the decline after they said mantha would be given every opportunity to make this team ( we both know that's not happening especially with Miller AND helm being resigned as well )

Ouellet is another kid who could of played last season but waited another year cause we give wastes like Ericsson longterm deals

I wish we could trade Ouellet, Pulks/Jurco, and a first for Fowler. Relieves some of the logjam at forward and gives up a defenseman who can play the puck and the point on the PP.

First? The way this team is headed that can end up being a top 5 pick , no way we can touch it now Edited by nyqvististhefuture

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No s*** if we drafted a top 3 player they'd be playing but just because we don't doesn't mean every prospect has to wait 4 years in the minors .... Your telling me Tatar wasn't ready after 3 years In Grand Rapids?nyquist? Don't tell me they weren't ready

It's quite obvious Detroit has always preferred the veterans over younger talent ... Just look what they did now , they signed ott who hasn't been relevant in 7 years , signed vanek on the decline after they said mantha would be given every opportunity to make this team ( we both know that's not happening especially with Miller AND helm being resigned as well )

Ouellet is another kid who could of played last season but waited another year cause we give wastes like Ericsson longterm deals

First? The way this team is headed that can end up being a top 5 pick , no way we can touch it now

no way xo jurco pulk gets you fowler goose jurco pulks and a 2nd might shatenkirk but overpayment?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.