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Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

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Frk will likely be waived, and will more than likely clear. Jurco or Pulkkinen will not be waived. You can say what you want about Holland, but he will definitely waive Ott and possibly even Miller before he would Jurco or Pulkkinen.

Also, the only thing Helm's $3.85M guarantees is a roster spot. He is most likely going to fit in as the 3rd line center or winger, which is exactly where he should be. There's absolutely no reason to believe he will get top 6 minutes (unless there's injuries).

I'm not so sure Miller and Ott will be waived. Miller has a spot on the 4th line whether we like it or not. I can see Ott starting the season on the 4th line to begin the year and likely being scratched as the season goes along. Ott is more likely to get waived than Miller.

NHL.com projects the lines to look like this btw.

PROJECTED LINEUP

Henrik Zetterberg - Frans Nielsen - Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar - Dylan Larkin - Justin Abdelkader

Andreas Athanasiou - Darren Helm - Thomas Vanek

Drew Miller - Luke Glendening - Riley Sheahan

Danny DeKeyser - Alexey Marchenko

Brendan Smith - Mike Green

Niklas Kronwall - Jonathan Ericsson

Petr Mrazek

That defense will simply not get the job done. Up front looks decent, but nothing spectacular - Lots of variations to be expected considering all of the forwards we have under contracts. I'm hoping we make a few changes to the roster before opening night, especially on the blueline.

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This team will need to be extremely lucky to make the playoffs. I have my doubts that they will unless something drastically changes. We have seen so far that Holland and co. are content with the same old same old - just make the playoffs, anything can happen!

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NHL.com projects the lines to look like this btw.

PROJECTED LINEUP

Henrik Zetterberg - Frans Nielsen - Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar - Dylan Larkin - Justin Abdelkader

Andreas Athanasiou - Darren Helm - Thomas Vanek

Drew Miller - Luke Glendening - Riley Sheahan

Danny DeKeyser - Alexey Marchenko

Brendan Smith - Mike Green

Niklas Kronwall - Jonathan Ericsson

Petr Mrazek

I'd rather see Vanek on Larkin's wing than Abby.

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nyquististhefuture, unfortunately I don't see Ouellet or Sproul cracking the top 6 out of camp, unless there's an injury (Holland would only be so lucky)... But yes, we can carry as many defensemen as we want toward the 23-man roster. Most common is 14 forwards, 7 defensemen and 2 goalies, but a team can carry any variation they want / need to based on the makeup of their team. 13, 8 and 2 is not unheard of, and could be a possibility for us to start the season if there aren't any trades made...

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think you got that backwards kip... If we were to waive Howard and / or Ericsson, we'd retain their entire cap hit minus the $900K or whatever it is... If you bury a bad contract, only a small fraction comes off the books, otherwise every team with these awful contracts would be sending them down to the minors, with little repercussion...

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problem is, as of right now, with LTIR Holland has a complete roster with 3 fwds that can start in GR with no danger of being claimed AND 2 of 3 D Kids that MUST make the team or be wiaved. So Holland can not do a thing the rest of the summer and start with only a couple of decisions to make.

He can either save 2 of the D kids and wiave Frk, or only save 1 and save Frk.

(not line combos)

Zetterberg - Larkin - Abby

Nyquist - Nielsen - Vanek

Tatar - Helm - Sheahan

Miller - Glenny - Ott

Jurco/Frk

DD - Green

Kronwall - Smith

E - Marchy

1 of XO/Sproul/Jensen

or remove Frk and add another D kid.

Notice no AA, Mantha or Nosek. (they all have waiver eligibilty)

Not sure what will happen when Pulk comes back, one of the extra D kids or Frk will have to be waived.

Of course barring ANY trade this is the current roster with LTIR. IMO, if Holland gets Fowler, et al. He will need to trade 2-3 fwds, 1 of our NHL D and a prospect D total. (not all for Fowler, but in order to become compliant with a healthy roster.) But noone wants E, Smith is pretty good, so I could also see him trading a fwd and a D kid only. Lets say Nyquist(or Tatar) and XO for Fowler. Now who becomes #7, Smith or E? I just think Holland will either overload his D or just stay pat and do nothing. Either way, we risk Frk and/or 2 of the D kids to waivers...


BTW, is Jamie Benn really worth $9.5M per season?

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BTW, is Jamie Benn really worth $9.5M per season?

Yes he is. I presume he even took a small discount. About 10 per year rings well in my ears. Seems to high for you? He would change our team in one stride. Moreso than Stamkos would in my opinion.

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Jamie Benn's contract was a steal imo. Just look at how over paid Toews is. The guy can't even score 60 points a year and gets $10.5 million.

Benn just had two seasons of about 90 points and something like 40 goals this year.

Honestly if there's any contract signed with superstars, the first one I look at is Toews and compare the rest. All of Kopitar, Stamkos, Benn are getting paid less and do more.

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think you got that backwards kip... If we were to waive Howard and / or Ericsson, we'd retain their entire cap hit minus the $900K or whatever it is... If you bury a bad contract, only a small fraction comes off the books, otherwise every team with these awful contracts would be sending them down to the minors, with little repercussion...

You're right, I was wrong. I was reading about it last night and got it all wrong. Obviously it makes a lot more sense as you've laid it out.

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They have to dump 2-3 salaries to re-sign the guys next year. That's what it will come down to honestly. As long as Bishop isn't exposed by Tampa.. Howard should be the goalie Vegas picks up.

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This team will need to be extremely lucky to make the playoffs. I have my doubts that they will unless something drastically changes. We have seen so far that Holland and co. are content with the same old same old - just make the playoffs, anything can happen!

To be fair this team needs a year of missing the playoffs for appropriate changes to be made. With the streak intact, it will be a whole lot of playing it safe to just try and make the playoffs every year.

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I'd argue that failing to make playoffs wont change much. We just signed 3 guys this summer to 5-6 more years. and last year we signed Abby to like 7.

The same team that got knocked out three years in a row in the 1st round is slowly getting locked up. That was my whole point about why signing Glendog and Helm long term is just more burden on the future. No one is going to take bottom 6 forwards with lengthy contracts.

DK, Mrazek also soon to be locked too, as they should be.

This team is not going to be changing much the next 4-5 years. Playoffs or not, this is what we have.

We like our team.

On one hand while Tampa is busy locking up a team that went to the Cup finals and conference finals, we are locking up a team that backed into the playoffs. This is my biggest criticism of what's going on right now. It makes absolutely zero sense to me why we're handing these contracts out (rushing into them) when the team clearly needed to be heading in a new direction. The least they could have done is be vigilant and see how Blashill's second year went.

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I don't think this team is coasting because they are content in just making the playoffs every year. I believe they are trying to make the playoffs every year, while they're waiting for the next wave of kids to become impact players. The next wave will include some variation of Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, Bertuzzi, Ouellet, Sproul, etc. and I believe they're almost ready. When they are, that is when this team will become competitive again. Missing or making the playoffs will have no barring on the direction this team is headed in my opinion...

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I'd argue that failing to make playoffs wont change much. We just signed 3 guys this summer to 5-6 more years. and last year we signed Abby to like 7.

The same team that got knocked out three years in a row in the 1st round is slowly getting locked up. That was my whole point about why signing Glendog and Helm long term is just more burden on the future. No one is going to take bottom 6 forwards with lengthy contracts.

DK, Mrazek also soon to be locked too, as they should be.

This team is not going to be changing much the next 4-5 years. Playoffs or not, this is what we have.

We like our team.

On one hand while Tampa is busy locking up a team that went to the Cup finals and conference finals, we are locking up a team that backed into the playoffs. This is my biggest criticism of what's going on right now. It makes absolutely zero sense to me why we're handing these contracts out (rushing into them) when the team clearly needed to be heading in a new direction. The least they could have done is be vigilant and see how Blashill's second year went.

...and eliminated in the first round several years in a row. Apparently that is good enough for Holland since he is determined to lock up all the same players that we have failed with....to long term deals.

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To be fair this team needs a year of missing the playoffs for appropriate changes to be made. With the streak intact, it will be a whole lot of playing it safe to just try and make the playoffs every year.

It's just sad if this is the way the wings are thinking ... Who's to say we can't be as good or better with a few kids in the lineups over these old bottom liners?

And illitch isn't getting any younger , does he really just care about getting in the playoffs and that's it?

It's pretty f***en sad that we have to hope for injuries just so the kids who should already be playing, be inserted into the lineup

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It's just sad if this is the way the wings are thinking ... Who's to say we can't be as good or better with a few kids in the lineups over these old bottom liners?

And illitch isn't getting any younger , does he really just care about getting in the playoffs and that's it?

It's pretty f***en sad that we have to hope for injuries just so the kids who should already be playing, be inserted into the lineup

Some things never change...remember Bert, Sammy and Cleary? Of course you do, but if it wasn't for their injuries, we'd of never seen the Jurco - Sheahan - Tatar line that pretty much got us to the playoffs that year....

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The chance of Vanek ever scoring 30+ goals again is slim to none. But to put him in the best position to do that again, would be to play him on the 2nd or 3rd line and give him plenty of power-play time (which I'm sure he will get). Vanek should play on a line with fast skaters that can make up for his lack of speed. Helm and Athanasiou are two of our fastest skaters (along with Larkin) and in a support role, against lesser competition, he should be able to put up solid numbers...

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I don't know, the speed of Helm and AA with Vanek at net front could be a line that gives defenders fits. It would be a pretty vicious third line (maybe even a 2B line) if they click. They'd likely draw more 2nd and 3rd pair defensive matchups if they are slotted as a third line.

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