Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[LeftWinger 4,934]

If it's anyone, it's going to be Fowler. It is well known that Holland wants him. More than one hockey insider has said that's his target. Things could change of course...

I still think it'll cost us a fwd, D and prospect. It'd be nice if we could get away with a fwd and prospect D. Of course that would make Smith #7 again.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I think you quoted the wrong person, I didn't say anything about Nyquist or Pulkkinen there... Although I do think he can be had for a similar package, as long as there's a defenseman going back the other way. You're massively over-valuing Trouba though if you think it would cost near that much... We wouldn't have to give up DeKeyser in order to land him, just like we wouldn't have to give up DeKeyser to land any of the other potential top pair guys rumored to be available...

Winnipeg probably don't want to get rid of Trouba, but they're going to be forced to trade one of Trouba or Meyers before the expansion draft. Byfuglien and Enstrom (NMC's) have to be protected and they can only protect 3 defensemen. If they wanted to protect 4 defensemen, they would then only be able to protect 4 forwards, which I'm sure they're not willing to do...

If we put together a nice enough package centered around Nyquist and add in a defense prospect, and a high pick, I think it could get done. It's a moot point though, since I don't think Holland is even looking at trade options right now...

Again ... Why would the jets want anything to do with nyquist? The offense is stacked in Winnipeg if anything they'd want is a leadership presence up front and nyquist certainly doesn't bring that

If there gonna lose a big dman like trouba I'm convinced dekeyer would have to be included as they'd want a really good dman coming back and we don't have any dman blue chip prospects to dangle and ouellet isn't enough,smith is a ufa in one year

I'm trying to be realistic , we won't land him with a Tatar/nyquist ... But like you said and what I've always said the chances of the jets trading trouba are slim , they'd part with Myers before trouba and I could be totally wrong but I do think enstrom would have only one year left on his contract? I can see them buying him out and keeping both Myers and trouba

If it's anyone, it's going to be Fowler. It is well known that Holland wants him. More than one hockey insider has said that's his target. Things could change of course...

I still think it'll cost us a fwd, D and prospect. It'd be nice if we could get away with a fwd and prospect D. Of course that would make Smith #7 again.

I'd want trouba over fowler ... Not the biggest fan of fowler but I think most everyone here should be prepared for us to land fowler , the ducks are looking to ship him off for upfront help and I think it's just a good match

Tatar or nyquist with a getzlaf gets 25-30 goals

[amato 3,210]

If it's anyone, it's going to be Fowler. It is well known that Holland wants him. More than one hockey insider has said that's his target. Things could change of course...

I still think it'll cost us a fwd, D and prospect. It'd be nice if we could get away with a fwd and prospect D. Of course that would make Smith #7 again.

I think it's less that's who holland has his mind set on and more fowler is the easiest target of the available D men..

I'm for any improvement on the back end but I wish we could pry Hampus Lindholm from them instead ha

[Dabura 12,206]

If it's anyone, it's going to be Fowler. It is well known that Holland wants him. More than one hockey insider has said that's his target. Things could change of course...

I still think it'll cost us a fwd, D and prospect. It'd be nice if we could get away with a fwd and prospect D. Of course that would make Smith #7 again.

It'll be Fowler, Edler, Quincey, or Tyutin. Because Red Wings.

The thing that continues to piss me off: I know there are deals out there, ready to be made. We all know it, whether we want to admit it or not. This whole "trades are impossible" situation isn't about other GMs asking for far too much, it's about Holland being completely and utterly unwilling to part with a single significant asset. (Unless we're getting an over-the-hill rental at the trade deadline, in which case Holland will give away young assets like they're going out of style. Because Red Wings.) I mean, sure, things would be easier -- on multiple fronts -- if we had more pieces that other GMs find decidedly super-attractive, but you know what those pieces tend to be? Young, hugely talented high-end players. The kind Holland actively hates, because "They don't know how to play without the puck" and because "Kids aren't the answer" and blah blah f****** blah. Because Red Wings.

[krsmith17 7,191]

LeftWinger, please provide a link to where any hockey "insider" has said that Fowler is Holland's target... I've seen plenty of speculation and sources saying that it would be a good fit, but I've yet to hear a single report that Holland is actively pursuing any specific defenseman... A forward, which I would assume would have to be Nyquist or Tatar, a defense prospect and a pick would be massive overpayment for Fowler in my opinion. Also, if Smith is going to be on the outside looking in (I don't think he would be), I'd prefer to move him in the trade. There's no way a guy that skilled should be any team's number 7 defenseman, and he wouldn't be on any other team. For whatever reason, this team has been terrible at utilizing some players the past few seasons...

nyquististhefuture, the Jets do have a solid forward group there, but Nyquist / Tatar would easily slot into their top 9 (likely even top 6) and make them even more potent up front. Trouba is a very good young defenseman, but they can't afford to keep him or Meyers on the bottom pairing any longer. Although I think he definitely will be, Trouba hasn't proven that he is a legit top pair defenseman yet. DeKeyser is a top 2, Smith is a top 4, and a 1st round pick? No matter what Winnipeg would want in return, that is massive over-payment. Not to mention it makes no sense from our perspective. The one defenseman that should be off limits in any trade to upgrade our backend, is the only defenseman we have that would be considered a top pair defenseman... I do agree that we may not be the best trading partner for Winnipeg, but I wouldn't be shocked to see one of Trouba / Meyers traded in the near future... Who knows, maybe Trouba wants out of Winnipeg. He is an RFA, and neither he or the team filed for arbitration. I'm betting he would love to be a Wing. Unfortunately though, he may have to wait another 10+ years before he can fulfill that dream...

[WingedWheel91 271]

Again ... Why would the jets want anything to do with nyquist? The offense is stacked in Winnipeg if anything they'd want is a leadership presence up front and nyquist certainly doesn't bring that

If there gonna lose a big dman like trouba I'm convinced dekeyer would have to be included as they'd want a really good dman coming back and we don't have any dman blue chip prospects to dangle and ouellet isn't enough,smith is a ufa in one year

I'm trying to be realistic , we won't land him with a Tatar/nyquist ... But like you said and what I've always said the chances of the jets trading trouba are slim , they'd part with Myers before trouba and I could be totally wrong but I do think enstrom would have only one year left on his contract? I can see them buying him out and keeping both Myers and trouba

I'd want trouba over fowler ... Not the biggest fan of fowler but I think most everyone here should be prepared for us to land fowler , the ducks are looking to ship him off for upfront help and I think it's just a good match

Tatar or nyquist with a getzlaf gets 25-30 goals

The truth is that Ken Holland is probably playing golf right now - with his cell phone turned off... So I'm not exactly refreshing my twitter feed waiting for a trade to break.

My point with the Trouba scenario was that this roster can take on an entirely different look if we can land an impact (top pair) defenceman... Yes its expensive, but we have young assets and all of our draft picks to make it happen. And if it happens, it may not be any of Trouba, Fowler or Shattenkirk - as there are several players available or soon to be available that we don't hear about as fans (Shea Weber).

I have to think that he went into the summer with this many forwards to make a trade - with the very real possibility it doesn't work out.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

LeftWinger, please provide a link to where any hockey "insider" has said that Fowler is Holland's target... I've seen plenty of speculation and sources saying that it would be a good fit, but I've yet to hear a single report that Holland is actively pursuing any specific defenseman... A forward, which I would assume would have to be Nyquist or Tatar, a defense prospect and a pick would be massive overpayment for Fowler in my opinion. Also, if Smith is going to be on the outside looking in (I don't think he would be), I'd prefer to move him in the trade. There's no way a guy that skilled should be any team's number 7 defenseman, and he wouldn't be on any other team. For whatever reason, this team has been terrible at utilizing some players the past few seasons...

nyquististhefuture, the Jets do have a solid forward group there, but Nyquist / Tatar would easily slot into their top 9 (likely even top 6) and make them even more potent up front. Trouba is a very good young defenseman, but they can't afford to keep him or Meyers on the bottom pairing any longer. Although I think he definitely will be, Trouba hasn't proven that he is a legit top pair defenseman yet. DeKeyser is a top 2, Smith is a top 4, and a 1st round pick? No matter what Winnipeg would want in return, that is massive over-payment. Not to mention it makes no sense from our perspective. The one defenseman that should be off limits in any trade to upgrade our backend, is the only defenseman we have that would be considered a top pair defenseman... I do agree that we may not be the best trading partner for Winnipeg, but I wouldn't be shocked to see one of Trouba / Meyers traded in the near future... Who knows, maybe Trouba wants out of Winnipeg. He is an RFA, and neither he or the team filed for arbitration. I'm betting he would love to be a Wing. Unfortunately though, he may have to wait another 10+ years before he can fulfill that dream...

I don't think we will trade dekeyser seeing as our big problem is defense l just saying what I think they'd want in return ... Unless we had blue chip defensemen prospects to offer, which we don't

I do think on the redwings he's a number 2 dman , don't know on most teams he would be ... I think he's a very good #3 dman but that's probably cause I see our a 1-2 being able to do it all and Danny's offensive numbers are limited

Drouin also wanted out of Tampa and he's sticking around, Unfortunetly rfa's don't have too many options and the jets know how great his potential is like anybody else and he won't go anywhere , I also checked and enstrom after this season has 1 year left on his deal so I can totally see him being bought out and trouba Myers byfuglien all 3 sticking around going forward , it just makes sense

Jets are also a budget team so can't see them dealing a top young dman for a nyquist at 4.75 when they got wheeler laine scheifele Conner ehlers perreault little and some other good young cheap forwards coming

Like you said the jets sadly aren't a good trading partner , ducks and wings are but sadly lindholm the one I'd want isn't going anywhere

[FireCaptain 563]

None of which has amounted to anything of significance. Your definition of significant and the DRW's definition are clearly different.

utterly unwilling to part with a single significant asset. (Unless we're getting an over-the-hill rental at the trade deadline, in which case Holland will give away young assets like they're going out of style. Because Red Wings.)

[FireCaptain 563]

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At this stage of the game, it sure sounds like Cleary is angling for another shot within the Detroit organization. He told the News “I am, and always will be, a Red Wing at heart,” and that posturing is probably partly due to the fact there aren’t a ton of opportunities elsewhere.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/07/19/dan-cleary-isnt-ready-to-retire-just-yet/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

[Dabura 12,206]

None of which has amounted to anything of significance. Your definition of significant and the DRW's definition are clearly different.

I'm not really sure what you're saying.

[Dabura 12,206]

I have to think that he went into the summer with this many forwards to make a trade

Or he just wants to maintain the status quo, i.e. the huge brick wall separating kids from the roster. We could've gone younger, but we signed Nielsen, Vanek, and Ott, and we re-signed Helm and Miller. (Note that none of these players will be traded. We all know this.) That, to me, doesn't sound like angling for a trade. That sounds like making sure there are 500 degrees of separation between Athanasiou, Mantha, Nosek, Bertuzzi and full-time NHL duty. Because Red Wings.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I get the frustration, but I personally think the Nielsen signing was needed. We couldn't go into the season with Zetterberg / Sheahan / Larkin as our top 3 centers. Zetterberg needs his minutes cut, Larkin isn't ready for number one center duty, and while Sheahan can play 2nd line center in a pinch, I think he's better suited in the bottom 6. I'm one of the few that wanted Helm back, and while it may be half a mil too high and a couple years too long, I think it was a good signing. Vanek is a low risk, high reward signing, but I would have preferred to see a kid get that spot. The Miller and Ott signings are a complete joke... Without the latter three signings we could have had a few more spots open for the kids, who are mostly deserving of spots anyway... Of the players that you mentioned though, I only think Athanasiou and Mantha are ready to be full time NHLers. I'm completely fine with Bertuzzi spending another season in Grand Rapids, and honestly, I don't see Nosek as a high quality NHL player anyway. He might be a decent 3rd line center, but I'd much rather have Helm or Sheahan fill that spot...

[WingedWheel91 271]

Or he just wants to maintain the status quo, i.e. the huge brick wall separating kids from the roster. We could've gone younger, but we signed Nielsen, Vanek, and Ott, and we re-signed Helm and Miller. (Note that none of these players will be traded. We all know this.) That, to me, doesn't sound like angling for a trade. That sounds like making sure there are 500 degrees of separation between Athanasiou, Mantha, Nosek, Bertuzzi and full-time NHL duty. Because Red Wings.

I think that's a fairly obvious statement, and unrelated to my original post. Considering that Vanek, Ott, and Miller all have 1 year contracts - they don't have any trade value and probably won't be Red Wings as soon as next year.

The next significant acquisition this team makes should be through trade for a top pairing defenceman - unfortunately this requires trading away valuable assets starting with an established forward such as Nyquist/Tatar, including a young player like Sheahan/Jurco/Pulkinnen, and potentially a prospect like Oulette/Sproul/Nosek.

In short, if the plan is actually executed we probably trade 2 forwards and a defense prospect away - which will completely change the look of our defence, and open up 2 forward spots for Anthanasiou and Mantha/Jurco.

[LeftWinger 4,934]

I do that.

Nyquist, Pulkkinen and Oullett. For who? What will that get us? Most definitely Fowler, but Trouba, Shattenkirk?

[WingedWheel91 271]

I do that.

Nyquist, Pulkkinen and Oullett. For who? What will that get us? Most definitely Fowler, but Trouba, Shattenkirk?

I think its enough to get a player like Trouba - unfortunately WPG probably isn't as interested in Nyquist/Pulkinnen as others would be. It certainly gets you Fowler/Shattenkirk but I think it's an over payment for either of those two players.

[marcaractac 3,960]

I get the frustration, but I personally think the Nielsen signing was needed. We couldn't go into the season with Zetterberg / Sheahan / Larkin as our top 3 centers. Zetterberg needs his minutes cut, Larkin isn't ready for number one center duty, and while Sheahan can play 2nd line center in a pinch, I think he's better suited in the bottom 6. I'm one of the few that wanted Helm back, and while it may be half a mil too high and a couple years too long, I think it was a good signing. Vanek is a low risk, high reward signing, but I would have preferred to see a kid get that spot. The Miller and Ott signings are a complete joke... Without the latter three signings we could have had a few more spots open for the kids, who are mostly deserving of spots anyway... Of the players that you mentioned though, I only think Athanasiou and Mantha are ready to be full time NHLers. I'm completely fine with Bertuzzi spending another season in Grand Rapids, and honestly, I don't see Nosek as a high quality NHL player anyway. He might be a decent 3rd line center, but I'd much rather have Helm or Sheahan fill that spot...

I'm ok with Miller and Ott is it means guys like them keep seats in the press box warm instead of the kids.

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/07/19/dan-cleary-isnt-ready-to-retire-just-yet/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

I have zero problem with Cleary playing in Grand Rapids. The only reason he played as long as he did in the NHL is because he worked harder than those around him. He was never the most talented guy so the younger players can learn from that.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I agree, but I would still rather leave those two spots open for say Frk / Callahan than Miller / Ott...

[krsmith17 7,191]

Speaking of Callahan, the Wings have just re-signed him for one year, $600K.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Wings to be on NBC and NBCSN 14 times this year.

[kickazz 5,459]

Wings to be on NBC and NBCSN 14 times this year.

Is that more than last year or less?

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

You guys keep putting 4 million dollar Nyquist on the third line but expect Holland to fetch a trouba or shattenkirk with him.. Stop complaining about Helm having a top six contract it's an okay contract for one of the best third line centers in the league, I don't get how you can complain about him then constantly put Nyquists 4.75 million dollar contract on the third line. Blash is an idiot for his player usage that's why we got waxed in the first round plus Howard was the starter.. How do you expect to fetch a nice d-man with someone you guys consider a overpaid third line scorer lmao, Goose should've been played on one of the top two lines all year and if he isn't this year I'll be pissed cause look at that damn contract!

And I thought he was a better player overall this year than he was when he damn near scored thirty, he's a more complete player now

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

I think its enough to get a player like Trouba - unfortunately WPG probably isn't as interested in Nyquist/Pulkinnen as others would be. It certainly gets you Fowler/Shattenkirk but I think it's an over payment for either of those two players.

switch Tatar with Nyquist and I'd make that deal for Trouba maybe shattenkirk, we have bigger and better goalscorer make coming up I say keep Nyquist because he brings more to the table than Tatar. We have two centers Larkin and AA maybe 3(Svech) who can be the puck handlers don't need a little goalscorer who isn't very good in his own end who like to over handle the puck and tbh isn't that skilled just an expendable goal scorer. Goose does everything Tats does but he has better hands and isn't really a goalscorer just a complete player

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Flyers very keen on moving Streit. Red Wings have called & are supposedly offering Jurco. Wait & See.

https://twitter.com/TheHockeyPress/status/756243186108997633

[Internet.Unknown 422]

Flyers very keen on moving Streit. Red Wings have called & are supposedly offering Jurco. Wait & See.

https://twitter.com/TheHockeyPress/status/756243186108997633

38 years young!