Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[krsmith17 7,191]

If that is true, I will break a lot of s***... How reliable is the source?...

[MrazekFanBoy 223]

Why the f*** would we trade for him we aren't contenders

[krsmith17 7,191]

I refuse to believe Holland is that stupid. However, if this were to happen, I would officially side with the F*** Ken Holland crowd...

[WingsallTheway 383]

I refuse to believe Holland is that stupid. However, if this were to happen, I would officially side with the F*** Ken Holland crowd...

Why do you refuse to believe Holland would trade a prospect for a dwindling player to come play in Detroit and retire?

[krsmith17 7,191]

Trade deadline I could see it, although it would still be dumb, but no way he makes that kind of trade in the offseason...

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Even if you buy into the deal in terms of value/Holland's possible desire to bring in a veteran defender, the cap implications get in the way. Franzen, Pulkkinen and Vitale on LTIR give them some space, but not enough to make room for Dekeyser, Mrazek and Streit's 5M+. It just doesn't make sense.

Most likely looking for some traffic during the offseason.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

That twitter page also mentions Edlaer for Tatar/Nyquist as a possibility and mentions Tanev as a player Canucks might be willing to move. It all seems more like speculation.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Haha I never even bothered to check Streit's contract. $5.25M. No way there's any truth to that one...

[Jacksoni 418]

Why do you refuse to believe Holland would trade a prospect for a dwindling player to come play in Detroit and retire?

We should open some sort of retirement home for all these oldtimers and long term injury players we have. A club house of sorts where fans could come visit to say hello. Taking a few brewskies with Franzen, Cleary and Alfie while they're lamenting of aches and dissatisfactions over falling apart.

[kliq 3,755]

Maybe its for Howard and E lol

[krsmith17 7,191]

Streit for Ericsson straight up? Get it done Kenny...

[kliq 3,755]

I really really doubt there is any chance E or Howard are dealt or him, and my previous comments were a joke, but if the Flyers were interested in either of those two I would trade either of them as Streit is a UFA at the end of the year.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Come to the 'Dark Side'...We have cookies.

dark chocolate badass cookies? or burnt to a crisp emo whining cookies?

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

The only way I'd be down with Streit would be if we got rid of Ericsson or Howard. He's not worth Jurco or any of the younger players.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Jurco scored 6 points last year

In the end Jurco will get dealt for peanuts and everyone will be livid for a week or two

[krsmith17 7,191]

If Jurco were to get traded for peanuts, everyone would be livid for years not weeks... If he were playing with any other organization he would be a very good middle 6 winger right now. Unfortunately, he has been severely mismanaged, and his value is at an all time low, so we literally won't know what we have / had until he's gone... Jurco is no all-star, but he's no Ville Leino type scrub either. It would be a mistake to trade him away for nothing...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Mark streit lmao forget jurco for streit if we get streit for free if be pissed offf , 39 yrs old during the season , 5+ cap hit for a 5'11 25 pt defensemen .... Ya makes total sense to get him instead of playing ouellet/sproul

If this trade happened and holland got the s*** kicked out of him by some fans I'd say he had it coming

[kickazz 5,459]

I dont think anyone would care that much if Jurco or Pulk got dealt for peanuts to be honest.

Both of their hypes have been GREATLY dminished

Edited July 22, 2016 by kickazz

[Dabura 12,207]

I think that's a fairly obvious statement, and unrelated to my original post. Considering that Vanek, Ott, and Miller all have 1 year contracts - they don't have any trade value and probably won't be Red Wings as soon as next year.

I think you're taking that comment -- which, for what it's worth, was put in parantheses for a reason -- slightly the wrong way. I wasn't really hardcore disagreeing with you about anything. You said you have to think Ken Holland went into this summer with a surplus of forwards "to make a trade." I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance...but, at the same time, we know what the status quo in Red Wings World is (we see it maintained every year now, like clockwork) and I'm not sure I see any real evidence that Holland is consciously, actively, deliberately, methodically attempting to shake things up. I think it's entirely possible that he signed and re-signed some past-their-prime veterans because that's just what he does. I have trouble truly believing he's going to make an impact trade, because he doesn't do impact trades. What he and the diggers and the national media are all saying about the possibility of such a trade is stuff we've all heard before countless times over the past several years. For me, it's hard not to be intensely cynical and pessimistic about the state of the Wings under Ken Holland's "leadership."

[WingedWheel91 271]

Why the f*** would we trade for him we aren't contenders

I agree with you.

But I don't think this team is as far away as most people.

We need (1) Larkin to continue developing into a 1st line Center - and (2) Ken Holland to acquire a young top pairing Defenceman... We have tons of scoring depth (without any superstars) up front and a fantastic young goalie. If you can add the right piece to our defence, it suddenly takes on a much more promising look.

Although Jurco for Streit is an awful deal (and probably not actually being considered) - it's that type of move he should be looking to make, even if he has to overpay... Which is why I believe he stocked the cupboard full up front this summer.

[WingedWheel91 271]

I think you're taking that comment -- which, for what it's worth, was put in parantheses for a reason -- slightly the wrong way. I wasn't really hardcore disagreeing with you about anything. You said you have to think Ken Holland went into this summer with a surplus of forwards "to make a trade." I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance...but, at the same time, we know what the status quo in Red Wings World is (we see it maintained every year now, like clockwork) and I'm not sure I see any real evidence that Holland is consciously, actively, deliberately, methodically attempting to shake things up. I think it's entirely possible that he signed and re-signed some past-their-prime veterans because that's just what he does. I have trouble truly believing he's going to make an impact trade, because he doesn't do impact trades. What he and the diggers and the national media are all saying about the possibility of such a trade is stuff we've all heard before countless times over the past several years. For me, it's hard not to be intensely cynical and pessimistic about the state of the Wings under Ken Holland's "leadership."

Fair enough.

In all honesty, I don't even think its likely he makes an impact trade before the season starts - but I do think he set up a good foundation of forward depth if the right deal comes along... Which is more than we can say about years past.

[Dabura 12,207]

I get the frustration, but I personally think the Nielsen signing was needed. We couldn't go into the season with Zetterberg / Sheahan / Larkin as our top 3 centers. Zetterberg needs his minutes cut, Larkin isn't ready for number one center duty, and while Sheahan can play 2nd line center in a pinch, I think he's better suited in the bottom 6. I'm one of the few that wanted Helm back, and while it may be half a mil too high and a couple years too long, I think it was a good signing. Vanek is a low risk, high reward signing, but I would have preferred to see a kid get that spot. The Miller and Ott signings are a complete joke... Without the latter three signings we could have had a few more spots open for the kids, who are mostly deserving of spots anyway... Of the players that you mentioned though, I only think Athanasiou and Mantha are ready to be full time NHLers. I'm completely fine with Bertuzzi spending another season in Grand Rapids, and honestly, I don't see Nosek as a high quality NHL player anyway. He might be a decent 3rd line center, but I'd much rather have Helm or Sheahan fill that spot...

The Nielsen signing was absolutely necessary. I'm just painting an overall picture. We signed three past-their-prime veterans (at least one of which we absolutely, positively do not need in any way, shape or form) and re-signed two past-their-prime veterans (at least one of which we absolutely, positively do not need in any way, shape or form). I see a lot of people looking at these signings and saying a trade must be coming. I look at these signings and ask, "How is this any different from last year, or the year before that, or the year before that, or the year before that?"

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41032-Campbell-Brent-Burns-trade-moves-Sharks-closer-to-Stanley-Cup.html

ST. PAUL – The moment Mike Babcock learned the San Jose Sharks had acquired defenseman Brent Burns, he instantly got the look of a guy who’s team just let one get away.

His Red Wings are looking for a defenseman to replace the retired Brian Rafalski, but it was the playoff rival Sharks who pried the talented Burns away from the Minnesota Wild in a blockbuster trade.

“They just hit a home run,” Babcock said of the Sharks. “That’s a gold medal pick. I’m pissed off.”

That was five years ago. We're still waiting on That Trade for That Defenseman.

[WingedWheel91 271]

I dont think anyone would care that much if Jurco or Pulk got dealt for peanuts to be honest.

Both of their hypes have been GREATLY dminished

Because most people look simply at stats to determine value.

Jurco is a 23 year old who has the offensive ability and size to become an impact forward in this league... We forget that in his first 36 NHL games (as a 20 year old) he recorded 8 goals and 7 assists... (82 GP - 18 G - 16 A).

Did he truly regress this much? I don't know that he did.

Worst case scenario is trading him away for nothing and watching him flourish in someone else's top 6.

[Jacksoni 418]

This would be a very bad trade. Jurco can still boom, he's young and has the tools. On top of that he doesn't have the best trade value. I hope it's just another nonsensical internet rumor.

[Dabura 12,207]

I do think he set up a good foundation of forward depth if the right deal comes along... Which is more than we can say about years past.

See, the biggest source of my frustration is that I do feel he has the necessary pieces -- I just think he lacks the will, desire, creativity, cojones, etc. to actually Get It Done.

It's complacency, risk-aversion, hoarding. It's arrogance. It's laziness. It's outdated, provincial thinking. It's everything, and it continues to result in a whole lot of nothing.

Over the past eleven years, no team has made fewer trades. The Wings' official count is, I believe, 23. The Devils are second from the bottom with something like 50.