Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[kliq 3,755]

As it stands right now, I see this (in no particular order):

12 Forwards:

Henrik Zetterberg

Gustav Nyquist,

Andreas Athanasiou

Drew Miller

Dylan Larkin

Frans Nielsen

Darren Helm

Luke Glendening

Justin Abdelkader

Thomas Vanek,

Tomas Tatar

Riley Sheahan

6 D-men:

Dan DeKeyser

Mike Green

Niklas Kronwall

Alexei Marchenko

Brendan Smith

Jonathan Ericsson

Healthy Scratches:

Ott, XO, and Sproul.

If jurco comes back, then I see AA being send down unless there is a trade or another injury.

Edited August 25, 2016 by kliq

[chaps80 1,591]

As it stands right now, I see this (in no particular order):

12 Forwards:

Henrik Zetterberg

Gustav Nyquist,

Andreas Athanasiou

Drew Miller

Dylan Larkin

Frans Nielsen

Darren Helm

Luke Glendening

Justin Abdelkader

Thomas Vanek,

Tomas Tatar

Riley Sheahan

6 D-men:

Dan DeKeyser

Mike Green

Niklas Kronwall

Alexei Marchenko

Brendan Smith

Jonathan Ericsson

Healthy Scratches:

Ott, XO, and Sproul.

If jurco comes back, then I see AA being send down unless there is a trade or another injury.

Looks good, but having Drew Miller in the lineup instead of AA shouldn't happen. But we all know it will.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Kronwall could be

True. The tweet says expect him to be ready, but who knows.

[krsmith17 7,191]

With what we have available, I'd like to see something like this...

Zetterberg - Nielsen - Nyquist

Abdelkader - Larkin - Tatar

Mantha - Athanasiou - Vanek

Sheahan - Glendening - Helm

DeKeyser - Green

Smith - Sproul

Kronwall - Marchenko

Healthy Scratches: Frk, Ericsson, Ouellet

Injured Reserve: Jurco, Pulkkinen

LTIR: Franzen, Vitale

Waived - Miller, Ott, Callahan, Tangradi, Street, Lashoff, Jensen, Coreau, Pasquale

... Of course, I see no way this actually happens, but one can dream...

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Amen!

It's ideal, but you have 25 players on the roster if you count 2 goalies.

I like it, but we all know Holland! Miller and Ott were signed to play, and E will never be a healthy scratch. He'll probably be first pairing. Dammit Holland!

[joesuffP 1,746]

I doubt Ott plays very much and Miller is the perfect extra forward. Only way these guys play a significant amount of games is if theirs injuries or the young guys suck

[joesuffP 1,746]

With what we have available, I'd like to see something like this...

Zetterberg - Nielsen - Nyquist

Abdelkader - Larkin - Tatar

Mantha - Athanasiou - Vanek

Sheahan - Glendening - Helm

DeKeyser - Green

Smith - Sproul

Kronwall - Marchenko

Healthy Scratches: Frk, Ericsson, Ouellet

Injured Reserve: Jurco, Pulkkinen

LTIR: Franzen, Vitale

Waived - Miller, Ott, Callahan, Tangradi, Street, Lashoff, Jensen, Coreau, Pasquale

... Of course, I see no way this actually happens, but one can dream...

This is actually what I imagine Blashill going with minus E for Sproul and probably Mantha being an injury call up. I think Blashill's strategies and line combos were a mess last year but for most of the year he had the right guys in the lineup

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive

#RedWings Tomas Jurco had "minor" back surgery last week, hurting himself working out. Out 4-6 weeks. Might not be ready for start of season

3:19 PM - 24 Aug 2016

Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive

#RedWings expect Niklas Kronwall to be ready for start of camp. Knee feels better, not 100 percent, so he withdrew f. World Cup, per Holland

3:20 PM - 24 Aug 2016

Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive

#RedWings D prospect Vili Saarijarvi will have wrist surgery, sidelining him for three months, Ken Holland said. Hurt in Plymouth tourney.

3:26 PM - 24 Aug 2016

So much for a roster crunch lol

We're done.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

at Holland. Now, with no roster crunch, Fowler and Trouba will be dealt elsewhere and we'll have the same D as last year's playoff poop party....minus KFQ of course.

[Dominator2005 558]

and then you realize how our def is bad when one of the better def that we had last year is still unsigned FA...

[kylee 727]

and then you realize how our def is bad when one of the better def that we had last year is still unsigned FA...

I'm a little surprised by this though.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I think the slow footed big defensive shut down defenders are a dieing breed in this league

[LeftWinger 4,953]

I'm amazed that Holland hasn't given him a deal, like he did for cleary a few times...

[LeftWinger 4,953]

There are actually 3 UFA's that I'm totally surprised aren't signed:

Kris Russell

David Jones

Jeremy Welsh

Other than that, 99% of the remaining UFA'S are crud, or past their usefulness.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Petr Mrazek's WCH mask looks awesome.

[kliq 3,755]

and then you realize how our def is bad when one of the better def that we had last year is still unsigned FA...

This statement exaggerates what is going on right now. A UFA going unsigned does not nessesarily mean he is not good and usually means 1 of 3 things:

1) The player is not good (but this is applicable to players who become UFA's after barely playing (ie. Weiss))

2) The value that the player thinks he has vs the value he actually has are not on the same page (most common reason)

3) Due to a variety of factors, teams are waiting to sign those last few UFA's once they get closer to training camp due to cap concerns/injury concerns etc.

In the case of Qunicey, I would have to guess that coming off a 4 million contract, he is looking for something in a similar range and he's just not getting it. Similar to what happened to Cody Franson last year. Its not because he isnt good enough to be a top 6 D-man on any team in the NHL. Or maybe he has a ton of teams just telling him to wait a little bit once they sort out their cap issues.

[e_prime 1,936]

Probably nothing new or unexpected.

On the D-Corps:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-red-wings-will-go-into-season-with-current-d-corps-look-at-trades-later/

The Detroit Red Wings pursuit of a top-three defenseman remains a hot topic among the club’s fans. In late-June, rumors linked the Wings to St. Louis Blues blueliner Kevin Shattenkirk and Anaheim Ducks rearguard Cam Fowler.

With the start of NHL training camps fast approaching, Wings GM Ken Holland still hasn’t found a suitable defenseman. MLive.com’s Ansar Khan responded to questions from Wings fans on this topic. He notes the lack of depth in the free-agent market and intense competition for the few quality players who hit the trade block makes it difficult for Holland to address this need.

Khan points out the asking price for “non-elite talent” such as Shattenkirk and Fowler could cost the Wings some combination of “a top prospect, first-round pick or a good, young roster player.” He said the Wings contacted the Blues about Shattenkirk and the Ducks about Fowler earlier this summer, and probaby spoke to other clubs, but were unwilling to meet their asking prices.

Earlier this summer, rumors claimed Blues GM Doug Armstrong sought rising young star Dylan Larkin in exchange for Shattenkirk. It’s understandable Holland would pass on that. Larkin has the potential to become the Wings’ franchise player and future captain.

Much of the Shattenkirk conjecture is tied to his eligilibity next summer for unrestricted free agency. However, Armstrong now appears willing to retain the 27-year-old for the upcoming season.

As for Fowler, the Ducks aren’t likely to move him until they’ve re-signed restricted free agent blueliner Hampus Lindholm. The Ducks have an excess of defensemen and a need for depth at left wing. Fowler would make an attractive trade chip, but they could consider moving someone else.

Should Fowler be shopped, the Wings won’t be the only club interested in his services. The Boston Bruins, Edmonton Oilers and New Jersey Devils could also come calling.

Since a deal hasn’t been made by now, Khan feels the Wings will go into 2016-17 with their current D-corps and evaluate their situation, and the trade market, later in the season.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

I didn't know Larkin had Amish relatives

[Dominator2005 558]

This statement exaggerates what is going on right now. A UFA going unsigned does not nessesarily mean he is not good and usually means 1 of 3 things:

1) The player is not good (but this is applicable to players who become UFA's after barely playing (ie. Weiss))

2) The value that the player thinks he has vs the value he actually has are not on the same page (most common reason)

3) Due to a variety of factors, teams are waiting to sign those last few UFA's once they get closer to training camp due to cap concerns/injury concerns etc.

In the case of Qunicey, I would have to guess that coming off a 4 million contract, he is looking for something in a similar range and he's just not getting it. Similar to what happened to Cody Franson last year. Its not because he isnt good enough to be a top 6 D-man on any team in the NHL. Or maybe he has a ton of teams just telling him to wait a little bit once they sort out their cap issues.

If you are saying that Q is a good player than don't use Franson as another exemple. It doesn't mean that he'should a top 4 defensemen being paid +$4M defensemen as he was massively overpaid.

FA is about first 24-48 hours and after that available players are band aid.

I could see him going to either Dallas or Ottawa as a 5th/6th defensemen on a short deal.

There is absolutely no reason that a true top 4 defensemen FA is still available.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Dominator2005

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Anaheim needs a leftwinger, there's no reason why a trade centering around Nyquist in exchange for Fowler cannot be done. Except that Holland thinks Nyquist is the future of his franchise or something...thanks kenny...make the deal already.

[kliq 3,755]

If you are saying that Q is a good player than don't use Franson as another exemple. It doesn't mean that he'should a top 4 defensemen being paid +$4M defensemen as he was massively overpaid.

This has nothing to do with what I said. My point was that a player not signing right away is often a result of said player wanting more then he is worth. I did not say Franson was better, the same, or worse then Qunicey as it is irrelevant. I would use Franson in my example again if I had to as IMO it is a similar situation. (I admit, this is speculation)

I believe Quincey had a price tag that was higher then what teams were willing to pay. I'm sure if Quincey was willing to take a short term deal at a reasonable cap hit, he would have been signed extremely quick. Quincey would be a great 3rd pairing guy on a good team. I never said he was a top 4 guy.

Anaheim needs a leftwinger, there's no reason why a trade centering around Nyquist in exchange for Fowler cannot be done. Except that Holland thinks Nyquist is the future of his franchise or something...thanks kenny...make the deal already.

This is not how trades work. You cannot tell Anaheim, we are giving you Nyquist for Fowler end of story. They may not want Nyquist, they may want AA, Mantha or Larkin......In that 5 questions thing, Kenny basically said that he feels goose has hit his ceiling, if that's the case I cant see why he would think that Nyquist "is the future of the franchise". You're just creating a narrative because you are frustrated with the realities of today's market.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Not to mention the fact that Fowler is another 2nd pairing defenseman. We have a ton of those, we need a top pair guy...

[DickieDunn 2,571]

The difference between him and who we have is that he has the potential to develop into a top pairing D

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Kronwall discusses his knee and missing the World Cup

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/roughly-translated-niklas-kronwall-discusses-his-troublesome-knee

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Trouba wants out of Winnipeg Jets

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/watters-trouba-wants-out-of-winnipeg~936567

Bill Watters on TSN Radio: When asked on the Trouba situation, Watters a Former NHL Executive responded by saying "[Jacob] Trouba wants out of Winnipeg [Jets]". He went to say, the Trouba camp could force the Jets to trade him. His asking price is set at a steep price. Watters says Trouba may not like the way WPG is using him at the moment. The Jets of tons of Righty's and that could force Trouba to play on the 2nd/3rd pairing or maybe even switch to the left side. All of this, combined w/the Jets not willing to give Trouba his asking price, is the reason why Jacob may want out of WPG.

now that it seems plausible, what do you guys think it would take to bring him to Detroit? Come on KH the puck is on your end now.