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Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

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Sometimes a player wants a ton from the team he's on just to force them to let him go then signs a reasonable deal with a new team. I'd be trying to get him right now, but Kenny won't because that would mean parting with someone who hasn't said he wants out of Detroit

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It's nice to read that Kronwall put more importance on playing in Detroit than for Sweden. Hopefully his knee isn't done.

That being said, prices for Holland just went up.

With trouba and Fowler available, I'd still be trying to land both. Sure you don't want to give up your top prospect(s) but trouba is only 22, he'd instantly become your top young D man and have nowhere to go but up. Fowler is only 24, and given the ice time here, he'd also have nowhere to go but up. So if you're giving up Mantha in a package, it's not like you're getting old men back. At this point, given the current status of our D and the chance Kronwall doesn't play the entire season, or worse, I am offering Winnipeg a package for Trouba starting with Mantha and probably including Smith and a pick. Nyquist may have topped out, maybe Anaheim doesn't want him, then offer them up Tatar instead. If they'd do the E/Bieska swap, that would be wondrous.

Mantha, Smith, pick for Trouba

Tarar, E, XO for Fowler, Bieska.

To have a top 4 of Trouba, Fowler, DD and Marchenko for the rest of their careers is worth imo. You'd still have green and Kronwall with Bieska stepping in for Kronwall if/when he can't play and Sproud as the #7 then.

Sounds easy right? Bottom line is, no more important time than now to be seriously going after trouba. If all we did was Mantha and smith, pick for trouba, that would be great. Remember trouba is only 22, nowhere near topped out, at this point gambling Mantha would be a worth while bet. Trouba will be top pairing and will remain here for his career.

For the record, I'd be very against AA being traded instead of Mantha. I think including Mantha gets the trade done.

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The difference between him and who we have is that he has the potential to develop into a top pairing D

Eh, I think that's a bit of stretch. Based on what he's shown thus far in his career, he's a good middle-pairing defensemen and that's probably more-or-less it. If he becomes a staple on a team's top pairing, it'll probably be because his partner is an excellent #1 defenseman who can really "drive the bus." We don't have an excellent #1 defenseman, and that, honestly, is the most pressing concern for us.

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Lol at people who are overrating Fowler.

Talk Trouba and I'll agree, but Fowler will always be nothing more than a 2nd pairing D-man.

And that's fine. If we pulled off the miracle both trades, then he would be 2nd pairing. But the price would still be high to get him. If we only did one I'd prefer trouba. Imagine this though:

DD - Trouba

Fowler - Marchenko

Kronwall - Green

I happen to think that's a great lineup. Trouba would cost you Mantha and probably a 2nd (along with Smith) but the time is now. I have no doubt he'd come here and stay for 10, 15 more years at least. Plus be the top pairing guy....in his home town? It'd be worth mantha, imo. Especially how each day our D becomes more and more desperate. If Kronwall can't go all year, and we've lost xo and or sproul/Jensen to waivers, we are really in deep for a replacement. Then prices would sky rocket!

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It's nice to read that Kronwall put more importance on playing in Detroit than for Sweden. Hopefully his knee isn't done.

That being said, prices for Holland just went up.

With trouba and Fowler available, I'd still be trying to land both. Sure you don't want to give up your top prospect(s) but trouba is only 22, he'd instantly become your top young D man and have nowhere to go but up. Fowler is only 24, and given the ice time here, he'd also have nowhere to go but up. So if you're giving up Mantha in a package, it's not like you're getting old men back. At this point, given the current status of our D and the chance Kronwall doesn't play the entire season, or worse, I am offering Winnipeg a package for Trouba starting with Mantha and probably including Smith and a pick. Nyquist may have topped out, maybe Anaheim doesn't want him, then offer them up Tatar instead. If they'd do the E/Bieska swap, that would be wondrous.

Mantha, Smith, pick for Trouba

Tarar, E, XO for Fowler, Bieska.

To have a top 4 of Trouba, Fowler, DD and Marchenko for the rest of their careers is worth imo. You'd still have green and Kronwall with Bieska stepping in for Kronwall if/when he can't play and Sproud as the #7 then.

Sounds easy right? Bottom line is, no more important time than now to be seriously going after trouba. If all we did was Mantha and smith, pick for trouba, that would be great. Remember trouba is only 22, nowhere near topped out, at this point gambling Mantha would be a worth while bet. Trouba will be top pairing and will remain here for his career.

For the record, I'd be very against AA being traded instead of Mantha. I think including Mantha gets the trade done.

You make it sound so easy ;) ...I don't know if there's a downside with moving Smith, due to having one year pending in his contract, is that gsomething that would benefit the Jets?

I agree, I'd rather move Mantha than AA. Maybe going for both Fowler and Trouba is a bit too much for KH, but, i'd be happy if he pursues Trouba at least,

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We have too many 2nd pairing D-man trading for another is not very smart. Talk to me about potential 1D trades. Enough with the Fowler stuff, the guy is a 2D and nothing more. People keep talking about how we're mediocre but their solutions consist of mediocrity.

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And that's fine. If we pulled off the miracle both trades, then he would be 2nd pairing. But the price would still be high to get him. If we only did one I'd prefer trouba. Imagine this though:

DD - Trouba

Fowler - Marchenko

Kronwall - Green

I happen to think that's a great lineup. Trouba would cost you Mantha and probably a 2nd (along with Smith) but the time is now. I have no doubt he'd come here and stay for 10, 15 more years at least. Plus be the top pairing guy....in his home town? It'd be worth mantha, imo. Especially how each day our D becomes more and more desperate. If Kronwall can't go all year, and we've lost xo and or sproul/Jensen to waivers, we are really in deep for a replacement. Then prices would sky rocket!

with those lines we'd finally have a right handed shooter on each line, although, with Blash's system we'd probably keep misusing them.

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Lets balls out on trouba then. I'm OK with that. This fan base would be ecstatic if he traded for him.

to WPG : Anthony Mantha, Brendan Smith, 2nd.

to DET : Jacob Trouba, 5th.

Does that work cap wise?

What would you say if Winnipeg wanted AA and not Mantha?

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I'm not trading AA. Mantha would get the deal done. There's no way they don't accept Mantha for a player that does not want to be there. Not unless they get wowed by another team that is. But I'm still not trading AA.

Cap wise I guess we'd have to hope he'd sign for a deal for a couple seasons until we can clear more space. Being home, maybe he'd sign for a deal and when Howard is moved, that'll open up space.

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I'm not trading AA. Mantha would get the deal done.

Cap wise I guess we'd have to hope he'd sign for a deal for a couple seasons until we can clear more space. Being home, maybe he'd sign for a deal and when Howard is moved, that'll open up space.

Why not AA? I like him but he is absolutely not untouchable in a trade for a guy like Trouba

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We have too many 2nd pairing D-man trading for another is not very smart. Talk to me about potential 1D trades. Enough with the Fowler stuff, the guy is a 2D and nothing more. People keep talking about how we're mediocre but their solutions consist of mediocrity.

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Why not AA? I like him but he is absolutely not untouchable in a trade for a guy like Trouba

About as close to untouchable as he can get. Once Nielsen is gone, AA and Larkin are your #1 & #2 centers. AA, Larkin, DD and Mrazek are all in my non-traditional list. Mantha would be there, but right now I'm desperate for Trouba. Holland needs to be as well. If we could somehow get Trouba without dealing Mantha, that would be great. If they'd take Tatar, Smith, D prospect and pick, I'd be in for that as well.

I will also say, I have nothing against any of the players I am mentioning in trade. I am not just throwing the names there to get rid of them. If that were the case I'd be saying Nyquist, Helm, Howard and E in all of this.

Although I do mention Nyquist and E in a deal for Fowler. But we're talking Trouba now.

By all means, if there's a way to get Trouba without giving up Mantha or AA or DD. I'd love it...maybe they ask for a different prospect and roster player...

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I'm not trading AA. Mantha would get the deal done. There's no way they don't accept Mantha for a player that does not want to be there. Not unless they get wowed by another team that is. But I'm still not trading AA.

Cap wise I guess we'd have to hope he'd sign for a deal for a couple seasons until we can clear more space. Being home, maybe he'd sign for a deal and when Howard is moved, that'll open up space.

Again. trades do not work that way. You have no idea what Kevin Cheveldayoff would request back in return. You cannot dictate what a team will take in a trade. If Kevin Cheveldayoff is trading Trouba, many teams are going to be in on it. If he wants AA, we say Mantha, then another teams makes an offer stronger then Mantha, then we dont get him.

Look at what St. Louis wanted for an impending UFA in KS, they wanted Larkin. You never know what a GM of another team wants.

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Potential #1D > potential #2 C every day if the week

Personally, I firmly believe Athanasiou has the potential -- real potential -- to be a 1C. For me, he's right up there with Larkin, maybe even slightly ahead.

That being said...if we're talking Trouba, then I'd consider moving AA.

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AA has the potential to be a franchise player did you not see what he did with no ice time playing with the scrubs on the third line

Did you not see -- not you specifically MFB -- and granted it was a few years ago so I can understand if it's a little fuzzy... but think back to what Sheahan did with limited ice time. A lot of folks, myself included, started oooh-ing and ahhh-ing about his potential to be our 2C.... MAYBE EVEN 1C?!! Then he came back down to earth. Hmmm.

Seems awfully familiar to what's going on with AA.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it did happen, but I'm still in #1D > Potential #2C.

I'm also kinda surprised that none of you are bitching about Trouba's poor attitude and "wanting out of Winnipeg" and how it's the worst.

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Did you not see -- not you specifically MFB -- and granted it was a few years ago so I can understand if it's a little fuzzy... but think back to what Sheahan did with limited ice time. A lot of folks, myself included, started oooh-ing and ahhh-ing about his potential to be our 2C.... MAYBE EVEN 1C?!! Then he came back down to earth. Hmmm.

Seems awfully familiar to what's going on with AA.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it did happen, but I'm still in #1D > Potential #2C.

I'm also kinda surprised that none of you are bitching about Trouba's poor attitude and "wanting out of Winnipeg" and how it's the worst.

Maybe he's not that big a fan of slurpees and that's why he wants out. Perhaps he misses a good coney dog and a faygo, ...perhaps.

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If I had to guess, I think the reason why nobody is complaining about it, is because he and his camp have not gone public ala the Drouin situation. Plus, I'm sure there is a bias since this could benefit the Wings lol.

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AA COULD be a 1C, but it's unlikely. He's far more likely to be a second line player, and might not even end up as a center. He has speed and decent hands. He had one big year in juniors and didn't really blow away AHL competition. I just don't see future star when I watch him, any more than I saw Tatar or Nyquist being more than they've ended up being.

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