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What about some sort of three way deal involving both Anaheim and Winnipeg? Something along the lines of...

To ANA: Nyquist, Marchenko

To WPG: Fowler, 1st round pick (DET)

To DET - Trouba

Anaheim gets their top 6 winger. Winnipeg gets their top 4 left handed defenseman. Detroit gets their top 4 right handed defenseman... I'm not sure if the value in and out would be good for each team, but I don't think it's that far off...

Ugh. I really hate to get into the trade for Trouba hype, but this just makes too much sense to me. We need a young righty defenseman. The Jets want an established left shooting defenseman, and the Ducks want(ed?) a left wing PP specialist?

To Detroit:

Trouba

To Winnipeg:

Fowler

To Anaheim:

Nyquist+

Well, if the "+" was Marchenko and our 1st probably not. Though we are in a situation where we can probably afford to overpay without really hurting our long-term outlook.

But if we can get Fowler out of Anaheim it solves our problem just as much as Trouba would. A 1-for-1 swap like you suggest would work, but I wouldn't add anything extra like krsmith would.

One for one? Yes I would. But there's no way Cheveldayoff would make that trade. Besides, it doesn't really make a ton of sense for us either. ...

Pretty much what I think too. I'm not sure that Trouba is, or will for sure be, any better than DD, and he'd probably cost more, but I'd do it based on the potential.

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Box score from yesterday's Red White game...

Period 1

White - Sheahan (Nyquist)

White - Aubry

Period 2

White - Street (Russo) (PP)

Red - Sadowy (Turgeon)

White - Sproul (Nyquist, Helm)

White - Tangradi (Ouellet, Sproul)

Red - Mantha (Larkin)

Red - Larkin

Red - Frk (Lorito)

White - Svechnikov

Red - Lorito

White 6 - Red 5

Wish these games would be broadcasted, but it looks like the big names had a good game. Aside from Athanasiou and Bertuzzi, pretty much every player hit the scoresheet. Love that Sproul had a goal and an assist. Hopefully he can keep it up through these preseason games...

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Well, if the "+" was Marchenko and our 1st probably not. Though we are in a situation where we can probably afford to overpay without really hurting our long-term outlook.

But if we can get Fowler out of Anaheim it solves our problem just as much as Trouba would. A 1-for-1 swap like you suggest would work, but I wouldn't add anything extra like krsmith would.

Pretty much what I think too. I'm not sure that Trouba is, or will for sure be, any better than DD, and he'd probably cost more, but I'd do it based on the potential.

Nah, I wouldn't sweeten the pot too much. Just a little to make the cap situation work and/or deal with our log jam at forward and defense. Basically throw in someone to sweeten the deal rather than lose them later on waivers.

I also agree that the value of getting Fowler is basically the same as getting Trouba. But all things being equal I think we would rather have a righty. Not that its a deal breaker.

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I think Nyquist alone "should" get us Fowler, but I don't think it would... That's why I would be willing to throw in a Marchenko or Ouellet to get it done. Then flip Fowler and a high pick (1st or 2nd) for Trouba. Makes perfect sense for all three teams in my opinion...

No trade Kenny making two deals? You're dreaming

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I think Nyquist alone "should" get us Fowler, but I don't think it would... That's why I would be willing to throw in a Marchenko or Ouellet to get it done. Then flip Fowler and a high pick (1st or 2nd) for Trouba. Makes perfect sense for all three teams in my opinion...

If you already have Fowler, why give up the high pick for Trouba?

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Because I personally think Trouba is and will be the much better defenseman. I know a few are still skeptical on Trouba, but I think he has all the tools to be an elite defenseman in this league for a long time. Fowler on the other hand, while I do like him, I don't see him ever being anything more than a very good number 2 defenseman. Just my opinion.

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If you already have Fowler, why give up the high pick for Trouba?

Fowler isn't a top pair defensman despite playing on Anaheim's top pair at 24 and he won't ever get any better than he is. But Dekeyser can get a lot better than he is now even though he's two years older.

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Although I've long been an advocate for trading for Jacob Trouba the past year or so, the harsh reality remains: Ken Holland is our GM, and Ken Holland doesn't overpay for impact players. No, I don't consider David Legwand or Erik Cole (at the time we acquired them as pending UFA's) impact type players - and although the price was steep, the return for those two players won't be in the same ballpark as what Trouba will command.

Just to ruin everyone's Tuesday - which is for some reason the worst day of the week anyway...Take a look at the most recent trades involving an impact Right Handed Defencemen - and what the return was:

June 29th - PK SUBBAN - Cost NSH Shea Weber.

June 29th - SHEA WEBER - Cost MTL PK Subban.

June 29th - ADAM LARSSON - Cost EDM Taylor Hall.

May 2th - ERIK GUDBRANSON - Cost VAN Jared Mccann, The 38th overall pick, and the 94th overall pick in 2016.

Jan 6h - SETH JONES - Cost CBJ Ryan Johansen.

June 26th (2015) - DOUGIE HAMILTON - Cost CGY The 15th overall. 45th overall, and 52nd overall picks in 2015.

The early reports out of Winnipeg suggest the Jets are looking for a young, slightly less valuable, left handed version of Trouba to pair with Myers or Buff... Which means we likely have to include Dekeyser in a package that would also require prospects, maybe scoring depth. Forget about Kronwall, Ericsson, Marchenko or Green as these players don't line up with what WPG is looking for... and unfortunately, given the market value of RHD, I don't think the cost of this trade is ultimately what Ken Holland is looking for either.

Pipe Dream: Smith (because Advanced Stats), Nyquist (Because he's the slightly worse/more expensive version of Tatar), Oulette (Everyone's favorite throw in) and maybe Svechnikov or a 1st Rounder in 2017... Which is too expensive for us, and probably not even enough for them.

Oh well.

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Although I've long been an advocate for trading for Jacob Trouba the past year or so, the harsh reality remains: Ken Holland is our GM, and Ken Holland doesn't overpay for impact players. No, I don't consider David Legwand or Erik Cole (at the time we acquired them as pending UFA's) impact type players - and although the price was steep, the return for those two players won't be in the same ballpark as what Trouba will command.

Just to ruin everyone's Tuesday - which is for some reason the worst day of the week anyway...Take a look at the most recent trades involving an impact Right Handed Defencemen - and what the return was:

June 29th - PK SUBBAN - Cost NSH Shea Weber.

June 29th - SHEA WEBER - Cost MTL PK Subban.

June 29th - ADAM LARSSON - Cost EDM Taylor Hall.

May 2th - ERIK GUDBRANSON - Cost VAN Jared Mccann, The 38th overall pick, and the 94th overall pick in 2016.

Jan 6h - SETH JONES - Cost CBJ Ryan Johansen.

June 26th (2015) - DOUGIE HAMILTON - Cost CGY The 15th overall. 45th overall, and 52nd overall picks in 2015.

The early reports out of Winnipeg suggest the Jets are looking for a young, slightly less valuable, left handed version of Trouba to pair with Myers or Buff... Which means we likely have to include Dekeyser in a package that would also require prospects, maybe scoring depth. Forget about Kronwall, Ericsson, Marchenko or Green as these players don't line up with what WPG is looking for... and unfortunately, given the market value of RHD, I don't think the cost of this trade is ultimately what Ken Holland is looking for either.

Pipe Dream: Smith (because Advanced Stats), Nyquist (Because he's the slightly worse/more expensive version of Tatar), Oulette (Everyone's favorite throw in) and maybe Svechnikov or a 1st Rounder in 2017... Which is too expensive for us, and probably not even enough for them.

Oh well.

Gudbranson is an impact player?

I wouldn't say your pipe dream is "not enough", but it's probably not the right kind of package.

It is a gross overpayment though. Granted, that seems to be the trend for young D-men...Larsson, Gudbranson, Reinhart, even Hamilton to some extent (though he's far better than the other three).

Smith + 1st + either 2nd or good prospect that wouldn't need protecting. Probably the closest we can get to what the Jets would want, short of offering Dekeyser. Not sure they'd think Smith was an adequate Trouba replacement though, plus being a pending UFA.

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Although I've long been an advocate for trading for Jacob Trouba the past year or so, the harsh reality remains: Ken Holland is our GM, and Ken Holland doesn't overpay for impact players. No, I don't consider David Legwand or Erik Cole (at the time we acquired them as pending UFA's) impact type players - and although the price was steep, the return for those two players won't be in the same ballpark as what Trouba will command.

Just to ruin everyone's Tuesday - which is for some reason the worst day of the week anyway...Take a look at the most recent trades involving an impact Right Handed Defencemen - and what the return was:

June 29th - PK SUBBAN - Cost NSH Shea Weber.

June 29th - SHEA WEBER - Cost MTL PK Subban.

June 29th - ADAM LARSSON - Cost EDM Taylor Hall.

May 2th - ERIK GUDBRANSON - Cost VAN Jared Mccann, The 38th overall pick, and the 94th overall pick in 2016.

Jan 6h - SETH JONES - Cost CBJ Ryan Johansen.

June 26th (2015) - DOUGIE HAMILTON - Cost CGY The 15th overall. 45th overall, and 52nd overall picks in 2015.

[....]

The problem is: None of these were an RFA that refused to sign a contract and therefore these and Trouba are not comparable like this. As Trouba is one he should come slightly cheaper. If we get him is a completely different matter of course.

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He'll if WPG would take Smith, XO for sure plus a young prospect D, I'd throw Hicketts or Hronek in the mix along with a 1st to overpay for Trouba.

Then I'd complete the Nyquist for Fowler deal and my D would be set. I'd protect DD, Trouba and Fowler at the draft and be done. That will be your top 3 for at least a decade if not 15.

I know we'd be over the cap once Trouba signed, but Kenny would take care of it.

I can't believe a deal hasn't been done yet, of course there are probably 29 teams calling WPG, but Kenny MUST get Trouba at least. Hell, Fowler should have already been here...guess ANAHEIM is waiting on the other RFA before they trade us Fowler.

Yep, this looks really good!

DD - Trouba

Fowler - Green

Kronwall - Marchenko

Sproul

E can be waived for all I care, he may just get picked up by someone (dallas) for a low risk high reward. If not, at least we save $950,000 against towards the cap.

Edited by LeftWinger

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I guess what I'm saying is, no matter that they are hometown kids, you just cannot pass up on the opportunity to acquire one or both of these guys. Holland should be calling ALL the lines in WPG and ANA, just so no other GM can get through!

We have the assets to get both these guys, cut ties Kenny and get this done! This is your future you are dealing with. DO IT! Outbid them ALL!!!

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I guess what I'm saying is, no matter that they are hometown kids, you just cannot pass up on the opportunity to acquire one or both of these guys. Holland should be calling ALL the lines in WPG and ANA, just so no other GM can get through!

We have the assets to get both these guys, cut ties Kenny and get this done! This is your future you are dealing with. DO IT! Outbid them ALL!!!

I feel like your expectations are impossible to meet. You specifically say "Outbid them ALL" then you say things like "No Larkin, No AA, No DD, No Mrazek etc." You cant have it both ways.

I hope Holland can get these guys with picks/our 2nd tier players, but based on everything I am reading, Winnipeg wants a top LH D-man, and from Detroit that would be DD.

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Just wondering what people here think about Ristolainen? As far as I know he still hasn't signed with Buffalo. All my friends who are Sabres fans love the guy but I dont really pay much attention to them

Him and Lindholm are both blue chip potential #1 defenceman. I can't imagine Buffalo would ever trade a player of that caliber to a division rival.

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Him and Lindholm are both blue chip potential #1 defenceman. I can't imagine Buffalo would ever trade a player of that caliber to a division rival.

Yea I knew Ristolainen was good but I didn't know he is projected to be that much of a stud. Sabres are loaded with prospects. Sometimes I'm jealous the Wings don't get to draft in the top 10 draft after draft. I'd miss playoff hockey too much tho.

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Watching the world cup, man I wish we had a guy like that Tatar..... oh wait... we do he's just misused by our coaching staff.

:lol: All the goals he's scoring, all I can think of is how Blash demoted him to the 4th line last year while continuing to play Glendening 15+ minutes every night. Hopefully he's learned his lesson, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

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Watching the world cup, man I wish we had a guy like that Tatar..... oh wait... we do he's just misused by our coaching staff.

:lol: All the goals he's scoring, all I can think of is how Blash demoted him to the 4th line last year while continuing to play Glendening 15+ minutes every night. Hopefully he's learned his lesson, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

Glad people are noticing it. They better up his ice time this year.

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well people can stop with low ball offers, McKenzie said the asking price is a top 4 LHD which from a wings pov relates to Danny D. plus solid forward.

which then would create the problem off whom to pair with Trouba. I think this has the potential to drag out for months.

If the rumours are to be believed and Trouba wanted out for months why didn't Kenny try to offer sheet him? if the jets are too cheap to pay their best defender offer sheet him with 8x8 and boom..Danny D. - Trouba without giving up assets damn

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