IIHF World Championships

[krsmith17 7,191]

Nyquist has been one of, if not the best player on Sweden so far in this tournament, and still gets s*** on by Wings fans, as he has been all year... Nyquist is a very good secondary scorer, but for whatever reason some people will always expect him to be more than that...

[kickazz 5,459]

Nyquist has been one of, if not the best player on Sweden so far in this tournament, and still gets s*** on by Wings fans, as he has been all year... Nyquist is a very good secondary scorer, but for whatever reason some people will always expect him to be more than that...

Lol let it be dude. After a while when people talk s*** without making any sense it's just good entertainment to see how clueless they present themselves to be.

Nyquist had a bad season with the Wings but has been one of the best forwards in the championships. That's that.

[krsmith17 7,191]

That's my issue though, I keep hearing that Nyquist had a "bad" or "terrible" season when it's not at all accurate. Nyquist had 43 points, which was good enough for 5th on the team in scoring, only two points behind 3rd (Larkin and Tatar). This after seeing a fairly significant decrease in time on ice from the previous season. The entire team struggled to score, but Nyquist was the furthest from the team's biggest issue. Our power-play sucked d*** and that's where Nyquist's numbers went to s***, where again his minutes were slightly decreased. Believe it or not, Nyquist actually outscored his previous season 5-on-5. He had 31 points this past season and 30 the year before in, despite playing over 100 less minutes...

[kickazz 5,459]

Nyquist and the entire team aside from Larkin and Smith had either a subpar or bad season for their standards. Other issues like coaching and management decisions were also displayed. I though this was widely accepted among the team, the press and fans. Almost everyone underperformed this year. Almost everyone had a bad year.

Edited May 9, 2016 by kickazz

[Barrie 900]

When is this tournament over? Oh woe is me, living in Canada, the all sports radio station I listen too for The Dan Patrick Show, has these games on instead.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

That's my issue though, I keep hearing that Nyquist had a "bad" or "terrible" season when it's not at all accurate. Nyquist had 43 points, which was good enough for 5th on the team in scoring, only two points behind 3rd (Larkin and Tatar). This after seeing a fairly significant decrease in time on ice from the previous season. The entire team struggled to score, but Nyquist was the furthest from the team's biggest issue. Our power-play sucked d*** and that's where Nyquist's numbers went to s***, where again his minutes were slightly decreased. Believe it or not, Nyquist actually outscored his previous season 5-on-5. He had 31 points this past season and 30 the year before in, despite playing over 100 less minutes...

The Math freaks approve this post.

Edited May 9, 2016 by DatsyukianDekes

[marcaractac 3,962]

That's my issue though, I keep hearing that Nyquist had a "bad" or "terrible" season when it's not at all accurate. Nyquist had 43 points, which was good enough for 5th on the team in scoring, only two points behind 3rd (Larkin and Tatar). This after seeing a fairly significant decrease in time on ice from the previous season. The entire team struggled to score, but Nyquist was the furthest from the team's biggest issue. Our power-play sucked d*** and that's where Nyquist's numbers went to s***, where again his minutes were slightly decreased. Believe it or not, Nyquist actually outscored his previous season 5-on-5. He had 31 points this past season and 30 the year before in, despite playing over 100 less minutes...

This just shows that His production is down because the pp has been a train wreck. Which is on coaching, as with the players we had the pp should have been even better than last season.

It was one of the best in the league before Larkin and Green came into the mix. And it certainly wasn't their fault the pp tanked.

[krsmith17 7,191]

This is the last I'll comment on this because it is somewhat off topic, but that's basically my point kickazz. Our team as a whole had a down year, and Nyquist didn't exactly meet expectations, but I wouldn't say he was bad. The power-play was awful, and that is what effected most players numbers, probably most of all Nyquist'.

Nyquist was one of our top point producers, and was top 5 in virtually every offensive category, but yet he's the one that fans get on the most. He's a secondary scorer and he's done a very good job providing secondary scoring.

[Bannedforlife 403]

This is the last I'll comment on this because it is somewhat off topic, but that's basically my point kickazz. Our team as a whole had a down year, and Nyquist didn't exactly meet expectations, but I wouldn't say he was bad. The power-play was awful, and that is what effected most players numbers, probably most of all Nyquist'.

Nyquist was one of our top point producers, and was top 5 in virtually every offensive category, but yet he's the one that fans get on the most. He's a secondary scorer and he's done a very good job providing secondary scoring.

Except in the playoffs

[marcaractac 3,962]

Except in the playoffs

He outscored Datsyuk.

[Bannedforlife 403]

He outscored Datsyuk.

Its true. A 26 year old Nyquist did just outscore a 37 year old Datsyuk. However, Datsyuk scored 3 times as many points in the same number of games in the 2006 playoffs when he was Nyquists age. He also has a 72% playoff ppg over his career while Nyquist only has 22%. Just for reference sake, offensive dynamos Andersson has a 29% career playoff ppg, Glendening has 29%, Miller has 21%, Cleary has 42%, and Tangradi has 33%.

[kickazz 5,459]

Its true. A 26 year old Nyquist did just outscore a 37 year old Datsyuk. However, Datsyuk scored 3 times as many points in the same number of games in the 2006 playoffs when he was Nyquists age. He also has a 72% playoff ppg over his career while Nyquist only has 22%. Just for reference sake, offensive dynamos Andersson has a 29% career playoff ppg, Glendening has 29%, Miller has 21%, Cleary has 42%, and Tangradi has 33%.

Not a good comparison due to difference in players. Darsyuk played with multiple hall of famers.

[marcaractac 3,962]

Its true. A 26 year old Nyquist did just outscore a 37 year old Datsyuk. However, Datsyuk scored 3 times as many points in the same number of games in the 2006 playoffs when he was Nyquists age. He also has a 72% playoff ppg over his career while Nyquist only has 22%. Just for reference sake, offensive dynamos Andersson has a 29% career playoff ppg, Glendening has 29%, Miller has 21%, Cleary has 42%, and Tangradi has 33%.

The whole team in 2006 scored a lot more than the current roster. Easier to do with a defence led by #5. What's your point?

[Bannedforlife 403]

The whole team in 2006 scored a lot more than the current roster. Easier to do with a defence led by #5. What's your point?

My point is that Nyquist can be counted on to score in the playoffs slightly less than your average 4th line grinder/plug. What was your point in comparing him to Datsyuk?

[Bannedforlife 403]

Not a good comparison due to difference in players. Darsyuk played with multiple hall of famers.

Its a better comparison than Nyquist in his prime vs. Datsyuk in the last 5 games of his career.

[marcaractac 3,962]

My point is that Nyquist can be counted on to score in the playoffs slightly less than your average 4th line grinder/plug. What was your point in comparing him to Datsyuk?

To show that the ENTIRE TEAM struggled to score, not just Goose. You're singling out one player over a TEAM issue. That's my point.

Goose finished the playoffs tied for first on the team in goals. We had two players score more than one point. He was also a +2 despite scoring one point. So no, Goose wasn't the issue.

Put Goose on a line with a center who isn't 80 years old and a rugged winger who can do the dirty work and I'm quite confident he has a much bigger impact than a lot of players on the team when it comes to the score sheet. Playoffs included.

Edited May 10, 2016 by marcaractac

[Bannedforlife 403]

I never said that he was the issue in these playoffs. I said that he is not a good secondary scorer in the playoffs. The numbers over his entire career back up that statement

[marcaractac 3,962]

I never said that he was the issue in these playoffs. I said that he is not a good secondary scorer in the playoffs. The numbers over his entire career back up that statement

Smaller players struggle to score on small teams. Like you said, he's secondary scoring. The difference between the primary guys and the secondary guys is the primary guys generate their own opportunities. Secondary guys need to play with players that allow them to play to their strengths. This is why Goose looked much better once he got off the line with Sheahan and Tatar.

I mean, since Goose came into the league, when has this Wings squad ever scored goals in bunches in the post season? Datsyuk was invisible in the playoffs his first few times to the show as well. He'll get better.

[Bannedforlife 403]

Put Goose on a line with a center who isn't 80 years old and a rugged winger who can do the dirty work and I'm quite confident he has a much bigger impact than a lot of players on the team when it comes to the score sheet. Playoffs included.

If you think 22% ppg is good secondary scoring then I dont know what to tell you. Joakim Andersson has played his entire career with the exact same teammates and even he has managed to score at a higher rate.

[joesuffP 1,746]

How many more playoff points does Andersson have than goose? You're putting so much stock in this percentage when Andersson just happened to get an assist these playoffs there's no reason to believe based on these stats that Andersson will be a more consistent scorer in the playoffs and you know that. Just a random stat that is unusual you can find them for anything

[joesuffP 1,746]

Huge problem for Tatar and Nyquist was playing on that third line together with limited minuted. I used to blame Blashill for this but I think it's more of Holland's fault he never provided the team with enough big bodies that can score competently. One line was going to be screwed because of the lack of balance with the forwards

[Bannedforlife 403]

How many more playoff points does Andersson have than goose? You're putting so much stock in this percentage when Andersson just happened to get an assist these playoffs there's no reason to believe based on these stats that Andersson will be a more consistent scorer in the playoffs and you know that. Just a random stat that is unusual you can find them for anything

The fact that theyre even comparable is pathetic, but since you asked. Andersson has 8 career playoffs points in 27 games. Nyquist has 8 career playoff points in 35 games. With much more icetime, im sure. Thats really sad

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Huge problem for Tatar and Nyquist was playing on that third line together with limited minuted. I used to blame Blashill for this but I think it's more of Holland's fault he never provided the team with enough big bodies that can score competently. One line was going to be screwed because of the lack of balance with the forwards

Yea, let's blame the GM for Nyquist and Tatar playing like s*** in the playoffs.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Secondary scoring is not the issue, the issue is that we haven't been able to rely on our primary scorers, and that is due to the team being in transition. The primary scorers of yesteryear can't get it done anymore, and they need to pass the torch onto the new core, who we hope to become our new primary scorers... Our team scored 8 goals in 5 playoff games. That's awful. Nyquist had one point on those 8 goals, which is probably not good enough, but since when is your third line players supposed to be the ones that carry the load? I believe that once we have a legitimate first line threat that can contribute game in and game out, that the secondary scoring will be able to pick up the pace as well.

Our power-play also went 1 for 25. That's pathetic, and the biggest reason we lost that first round in my opinion. If we had a more potent power-play, everyone on that unit would have had more points and you can be guaranteed that Nyquist would have been on that list. Regardless, Nyquist was one of our most dangerous players all series, he just didn't produce enough. I think his lack of production is mostly due to the state of this team, rather than him just not being able to get it done in the post-season...

Anyway, back on topic...

LAT 0 vs. RUS 4

Datsyuk had an assist and one shot on goal and Marchenko had one shot on goal.

SWE 2 vs. CZE 4

Nyquist had a very bad game stat wise with no points, no shots on goal and a -3 in 16:05 time on ice... "I'm so sick of this guy", "Nyquist sucks"...

FIN 3 vs. USA 2

Pulkkinen had one assist and one shot on goal in 10:45 time on ice.

[toby91_ca 620]

Secondary scoring is actually extremely important. If you don't have it, teams will focus entirely on shutting down primary scoring and then you are toast. It is pretty easy beating teams in the playoffs who have very thin forward lines.