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i just dont understand why he cant play out his contract..like what is one more year? its not like hes injured and isnt going to continue playing hockey.

His ankle is still recovering. It's an 18 (?) month recovery process post surgery. His tendons were completely torn.

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https://www.nhl.com/news/pavel-datsyuk-reportedly-wants-to-leave-red-wings/c-280792884

Goodbye! Time to move on. Thanks for limping through the last season so you can be "Magic" again for the National Team.

Oh, come on!!!!! Read the Mitch Albom article: his surgery was pretty intense and the doctor said he was surprised that Pav didn't retire that day. Then he had another secret surgery mid season we didn't know about. Struggling with injury/rehabing/deteriorating ankles doesn't equal phoning it in to save yourself for the World Championship.

And even with that he was 1 point from being our leading point man, despite playing only 66 games.

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Overall I don't think Datsyuk played any differently at the championships than he did with the Wings this year. I think NHL is much harder than the championships are. But also that the Russian team had better flow in their play than that Wings did...

That said it's fairly obvious he doesn't want or have any desire whatsoever to play for the Red Wings. I mean I get it.. his hockey career should have been over last year (due to his ankle injury) and his dream was to finish his career in Russia. He likely wants to accomplish that dream before another injury in the NHL prevents it from happening.

But to be honest I'm getting sick of hearing about all this. He's quickly turning into the boyfriend that wants out but the fans and organization are being clingy and begging for him to stay.

We need to move on and be happy for our ex. Time to look for a new soul mate. (cough cough Stamkos).

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I'm not going to lie, some of all this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, which is tough to admit. At this point in his career, I don't think the team's on-ice performance will suffer because Datsyuk is not there, so I'm not dreaming of him coming back or anything, it just doesn't sit well with me that he isn't playing out the contract he signed. If he didn't think he'd stay, he shouldn't have signed a 2 year deal, or whatever it was. Those finding excuses, suggesting his ankle injury, etc. holds no value to me when you consider he went straight to the world championships after the season and will likely play in the KHL next season.

The biggest issue for me is the dead cap space for now, not missing the player (other than nostalgia). I probably won't hold it against him too much, but for now, it does sting.

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We knew he was gone before the playoffs began? It wasn't really a question - no matter how many "I has not made up my minds about next years" quotes came out. I still think this tarnishes (although not entirely destroys) his legacy as Red Wing because of one fact I simply can't ignore:

Pavel Datsyuk is going to make more money in the KHL next season than he would have in Detroit.

So is this a business decision or entirely a "family" decision? Is the reason he played last year truly "out of respect to the Illitch Family", or because he made $7,000,000 as opposed to the $5,000,000 he walks away from next year? To say that "I overstayed" is also slap in the face to fans and ownership... I'm terribly sorry you had to play hockey in North America for 14 years and amass upwards of $79,000,000USD in salary (at a time where the KHL wasn't paying close to the rate they are today). But today they are paying you more than we are so don't worry about fulfilling your final year, or the massive cap penalty you are causing us?

Essentially, Pavel Datsyuk is terminating a contract he wanted to sign (roughly 2 years ago today) to sign with a direct competitor for more money. In the business world, this is grounds for a lawsuit. In the hockey world, we feel bad for the guy lol. Even though the hockey player makes 10X the money the business professional does?

I don't mean to sound bitter (because after watching him this April, he isn't close to the player we all remember) - but I don't know if the #13 should be hanging in the LCA.

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I'm not going to lie, some of all this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, which is tough to admit. At this point in his career, I don't think the team's on-ice performance will suffer because Datsyuk is not there, so I'm not dreaming of him coming back or anything, it just doesn't sit well with me that he isn't playing out the contract he signed. If he didn't think he'd stay, he shouldn't have signed a 2 year deal, or whatever it was. Those finding excuses, suggesting his ankle injury, etc. holds no value to me when you consider he went straight to the world championships after the season and will likely play in the KHL next season.

The practical side in me starting to think similar to this on the matter but the fan boy in me is in denial and wants Datsyuk to move on asap and us to move on asap before this turns into drama which will likely cause me to start thinking of him differently. So before it gets to that....

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The practical side in me starting to think similar to this on the matter but the fan boy in me is in denial and wants Datsyuk to move on asap and us to move on asap before this turns into drama which will likely cause me to start thinking of him differently. So before it gets to that....

There's only reality.

- He authorized an interview/article (directly before Round 1 Game 1 of the 2016 Playoffs) to publicize his intention(s) to leave our team this summer. Distraction?

- He said in the interview that he overstayed, and that his daughter was his #1 priority - also "feels bad" about putting the Wings in a terrible cap situation.

- He said several times he hadn't made a decision yet (most recently this past Sunday) and then reports of him signing a 2 year contract in Russia surface Tuesday.

My point is this: Why the hell would you do such a persuasive interview with Mitch Albom if you didn't already have your mind made up? And if you lied about not already deciding, are you also lying about your reasons for putting us in such a bad position financially? Is it your daughter, or the fact that you will make more money next year in Russia so time to move on?

I don't know how many of us have played for a even a traveling school team - but a professional hockey player doesn't exactly have evening and weekends off to spend with the kids? He left every summer anyway - I don't buy it... At this point, it's one of those "how was the situation handled" problems and I don't think he's doing very well.

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What if Holland was the one who pushed the 2 year contract and datsyuk only wanted one year? And Holland told him if he wanted to leave early he could. Anyone think of that? Datsyuk has never been selfish, he's always put the wings first. Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll never know

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What if Holland was the one who pushed the 2 year contract and datsyuk only wanted one year? And Holland told him if he wanted to leave early he could. Anyone think of that? Datsyuk has never been selfish, he's always put the wings first. Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll never know

I'd blame Datsyuk's agent before all this. Datsyuk seems kind of clueless about these things because in the Albom interview Datsyuk said he didn't know that if he signed his contract after age 35 it would cause issues if he tried to leave early. If that's the case his agent clearly didn't inform him correctly.. I mean isn't it the agent's job to tell their client all the important details of a contract? This dead cap space seems like an important bit of info lol.

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i would bet that there has been some family "disturbance" in the last 6 months to cause the problem.

pav has always been private about his life, and definitely wouldn't start talking about it now if this was the case.

im thinking he is between the rock & hard place now, and this is his best solution.

or he is sick of the lack of concern for the team from management...and said "#*^k it".. im going home.

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I can't think of any logical reason why Holland would have pushed for 2 years when Pavel only wanted 1, that would never happen (it would be the other way around, 100% of the time). Unless there is certain other variables at play (not in Datsyuk's case) where they get to UFA quicker and cash in, etc., the player is going to want term. The trade off to get that term is to take slightly less on a per year basis.

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There's only reality.

- He authorized an interview/article (directly before Round 1 Game 1 of the 2016 Playoffs) to publicize his intention(s) to leave our team this summer. Distraction?

- He said in the interview that he overstayed, and that his daughter was his #1 priority - also "feels bad" about putting the Wings in a terrible cap situation.

- He said several times he hadn't made a decision yet (most recently this past Sunday) and then reports of him signing a 2 year contract in Russia surface Tuesday.

My point is this: Why the hell would you do such a persuasive interview with Mitch Albom if you didn't already have your mind made up? And if you lied about not already deciding, are you also lying about your reasons for putting us in such a bad position financially? Is it your daughter, or the fact that you will make more money next year in Russia so time to move on?

I don't know how many of us have played for a even a traveling school team - but a professional hockey player doesn't exactly have evening and weekends off to spend with the kids? He left every summer anyway - I don't buy it... At this point, it's one of those "how was the situation handled" problems and I don't think he's doing very well.

A few of us discussed this in another thread but the Russian Ruble is worth less now that it was a couple years ago. Which is why we concluded that that's probably why Radulov wants to leave Russia to play in the NHL.

I'm leaning more towards a scenario where to Datsyuk's home country + Daughter >>>> Red Wings. Rather than money scenario.

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Datsyuk was slated to make 5.5 million next year. I highly doubt he'll make more next year in the KHL

It's hard to find info about KHL contracts, but here's an article from 2013 that shows the highest salaries as:

Kovy: 10.3 mill US

Radulov: 7.5 mill

Zinovyev: 4.7 mill

http://www.sports.ru/hockey/154502348.html

As you can see, after the first 2 it drops off significantly.

And that's before the ruble collapse:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/tag/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/canadian-players-in-the-khl-seeing-paycheques-cut-after-the-russian-ruble-collapse-2

and the cuts to the KHL salary cap where the KHL president aims to limit salaries to 14.5 million per team. So Datsyuk's red wings salary would be more than a 3rd of a team's payroll:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/cuts-to-khl-salary-cap-could-mean-nhls-rival-league-is-a-rival-no-longer/

apparently they're at 17 mill per team now and they'll cut the cap each year until 17-18.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/russian-hockey-league-khl-aims-to-slash-salary-cap-as-country-battles-economic-crisis/

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Pav you gotta play this smart dude. Hold off on any talks or deals till you finish things off on a good note here.

This s*** better not turn into Sergie Fedorov 2.0.

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Datsyuk was slated to make 5.5 million next year. I highly doubt he'll make more next year in the KHL

It's hard to find info about KHL contracts, but here's an article from 2013 that shows the highest salaries as:

Kovy: 10.3 mill US

Radulov: 7.5 mill

Zinovyev: 4.7 mill

http://www.sports.ru/hockey/154502348.html

As you can see, after the first 2 it drops off significantly.

And that's before the ruble collapse:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/tag/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/canadian-players-in-the-khl-seeing-paycheques-cut-after-the-russian-ruble-collapse-2

and the cuts to the KHL salary cap where the KHL president aims to limit salaries to 14.5 million per team. So Datsyuk's red wings salary would be more than a 3rd of a team's payroll:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/cuts-to-khl-salary-cap-could-mean-nhls-rival-league-is-a-rival-no-longer/

apparently they're at 17 mill per team now and they'll cut the cap each year until 17-18.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/russian-hockey-league-khl-aims-to-slash-salary-cap-as-country-battles-economic-crisis/

If Kovalchuk is making $10,000,000 - Datsyuk will be making more than $5,000,000 - and this is why:

My very good friend played in the KHL for 2 years and was paid more than he would have made in the AHL/NHL on an entry level contract)... His bonuses were structured to pay him per goal, per assist, per regular season win, and per playoff win - and when all was said and done he actually tripled his base salary at the end of post-season...Apparently every player has an incentive plan that doesn't get compared in the dressing room, meaning it also isn't compared in the newspaper... Unfortunately, this league has also been prone to paying North Americans less than what they were promised - and good luck fighting the mob in a foreign country. Point Being: Don't trust any financial data the KHL put's into the press.

So yes, Datsyuk's salary might be close to what his NHL salary would have been next season ($5,000,000) - but he is also the KHL's highest profile player now (captain of the world championship/Olympic team) and will incur bonuses that far and away exceed this figure. I'm sure he will also do better with endorsements as well. Last year, he made $7,000,000 and maybe the $2,000,000 decrease was close enough to KHL money to say forget it... Which makes me question his character.

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I can't think of any logical reason why Holland would have pushed for 2 years when Pavel only wanted 1, that would never happen (it would be the other way around, 100% of the time). Unless there is certain other variables at play (not in Datsyuk's case) where they get to UFA quicker and cash in, etc., the player is going to want term. The trade off to get that term is to take slightly less on a per year basis.

It was 3 years, I misspoke when I said 2 years. But, I see your point, my point is Holland pushes for that 3 year contract believing that will stop pavel from leaving to Russia after his 1 year deal is over. I don't know how you can say %100 of the time a GM would want a shorter deal. There's lots of factors that go into finding the right deal on both sides. Younger players for sure want longer deals. But guys like datsyuk who are debating leaving to Russia might want the shortest deal possible. And yes he was talking about finishing his career in Russia before her signed the deal

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If Kovalchuk is making $10,000,000 - Datsyuk will be making more than $5,000,000 - and this is why:

My very good friend played in the KHL for 2 years and was paid more than he would have made in the AHL/NHL on an entry level contract)... His bonuses were structured to pay him per goal, per assist, per regular season win, and per playoff win - and when all was said and done he actually tripled his base salary at the end of post-season...Apparently every player has an incentive plan that doesn't get compared in the dressing room, meaning it also isn't compared in the newspaper... Unfortunately, this league has also been prone to paying North Americans less than what they were promised - and good luck fighting the mob in a foreign country. Point Being: Don't trust any financial data the KHL put's into the press.

So yes, Datsyuk's salary might be close to what his NHL salary would have been next season ($5,000,000) - but he is also the KHL's highest profile player now (captain of the world championship/Olympic team) and will incur bonuses that far and away exceed this figure. I'm sure he will also do better with endorsements as well. Last year, he made $7,000,000 and maybe the $2,000,000 decrease was close enough to KHL money to say forget it... Which makes me question his character.

Kovy's contract was made when the league was at a high for financial success and before the implication of a hard Salary cap (it was a soft cap). KHL President is now lowering the cap by 50 mill rubles (764,377 USD) each year 2015-2017. There's a reason Radulov is leaving.

Add to that the fact that Datsyuk will be 38 while Kovy was in his prime, and I think you'd be wise not take Kovy as a comparable.

Datsyuk's already a national hero and a big star in Russia. If he wanted Russian endorsements I'm sure he already has them. I don't see why playing in the KHL would make much of a difference. Anyway, it does take him away from US sports endorsements which are much larger because it's a much bigger market.

A new bit of info I found in a Detroit Free Press article, is that Pav also missed out on a 2 million dollars of this past year's salary by not fulfilling his contract. (in the notes at the bottom)

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/05/25/pavel-datsyuk-khl-red-wings/84913168/

So if you think he's going to the KHL for more money, then his contract for next year has to be more than 7.5 million.

I don't see any evidence that suggests we mistrust his own explanation of the situation in the Albom article.

Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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Yeah I don't see any reason to be suspicious of his decision to leave either. He's already earned a ton of money, won a ton of awards, has been over here for a decade and a half and is getting older and more worn down, meanwhile his daughter is getting older without him in Russia, and he told us years ago he wants to finish his career off playing back at home in Russia. This is his chance to do that before his body can't keep up. It's also his chance to be with his daughter and watch her finish growing up. And he has nothing left to prove over here.

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