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2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

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Did you guys see Kessel steal that guy's (Bonino?) goal? It was trickling towards the nets with nobody around but Kessel and he put it in himself before the other guy's shot went in. I know it's the Finals so of course you have to do it but i still thought it was funny.

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couture says Crosby cheats on faceoffs, which I honestly believe is true, but he's going to have to at least explain himself if he doesn't want to be perceived as a "whiner".

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. in this situation couture is the whiner. You play the game, but you also play the refs. What they allow, you do whether the other team calls it cheating or not.

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Did you guys see Kessel steal that guy's (Bonino?) goal? It was trickling towards the nets with nobody around but Kessel and he put it in himself before the other guy's shot went in. I know it's the Finals so of course you have to do it but i still thought it was funny.

Nothing wrong with that, need to make sure it goes in.

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Of all the teams the Pens have played against, the Sharks look the weakest. I mean, even crippled Tampa looked better than this. The Sharks look like they're in way over their head and this series is a huge letdown IMO. The Pens defense isn't great, but they put on so much pressure on offense, you never really see it. Everyone is so afraid to get into a high scoring game with them, that they sit back, defend and hope to score off turnovers. That tactic simply isn't working. It just leads to a huge lopsided shot total and the Pens scoring more goals than you. If SJ doesn't figure out that the only defense against this team is a great offense, then this will be over in 4.

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couture says Crosby cheats on faceoffs, which I honestly believe is true, but he's going to have to at least explain himself if he doesn't want to be perceived as a "whiner".

So basically he's saying Crosby is the better faceoff man? Cheater = winner and better on faceoff circle. Datsyuk is a king of faceoff cheats too. Draper was a god.

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Interesting tidbit as I was listening to NHL radio on the drive this morning

They were talking that the sharks look very slow and tired and if they don't figure things out it could be the first sweep since 98. Hard to believe its been 18 years since the last sweep. Yet for 4 years in a row all sweeps then none for 18 years kinda unreal

95 NJ vs Det

96 CO vs FL

97 Det vs Philly

98 Det vs Washington

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Interesting tidbit as I was listening to NHL radio on the drive this morning

They were talking that the sharks look very slow and tired and if they don't figure things out it could be the first sweep since 98. Hard to believe its been 18 years since the last sweep. Yet for 4 years in a row all sweeps then none for 18 years kinda unreal

95 NJ vs Det

96 CO vs FL

97 Det vs Philly

98 Det vs Washington

I was actually just thinking about this yesterday. I was telling my son that just because the Pens won game 1 didn't mean they would automatically win the series, then I thought of that long stretch where all the Finals ended in sweeps. That is pretty incredible. Two of those four sweeps were won by the underdog that was expecting to get swept too (95, 97).

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Few things I've noticed so far in the series:

- Sharks are slow - coming into the series, all I heard was that the Sharks played a fast game, similar to PIT, but haven't watched the series, they look slow compared to PIT. I've heard that they knew PIT was fast, but were unprepared for how fast they've actually been.

- Crosby - he's matured big time...I've noticed it before, but really evident in this series. He's getting brutalized, especially by Thornton, but he's not even acknowledging it, just smirking and skating the other way to try and make something happen. That used to be the scouting report on him....play him as dirty as you can and it will take him off his game, he'll react, etc.

- Burns - I don't tend to see a lot of San Jose games (west coast and all), but Burns is really, really good.....offensively. I've seen him play with Canada, etc., but for some reason, in this series, I see it a lot more. None of that has been surprising based on what I've seen and heard before, but what has been surprising to me is that he isn't that strong defensively, a liability at times...caught up the ice, etc. He was drafted as a forward, so perhaps not a total shock.

- Danger for PIT - while they've dominated most of the first 2 games, both have been tied with less than 3 minutes to go in regulation, so they could easily be down 0-2...so if the tide starts to shift a bit, are they in trouble?

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Hoping the Sharks do to the Pens what the Pens did to us in 2009.

doesnt help that the Pens have their first line healthy and intact

i think the Pens right now are, ironically, very similar to the 08 Wings in terms of play style and puck possession dominance. Sharks not quite on that level, but they are definitely good. Sharks take game 3, Pens take game 4 by a hair. Penguins in 5. '08 wings still the best team of this century

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You think the '08 Wings were better than the '02 Wings?

02 was like a comet that comes around every 200 years.

4 500 goal scorers

9 HOFers with Dats probably the 10th

Luc R the highest scoring LW in the HISTORY of the NHL played on the 3rd line for example

I think the 2002 team beats the 2008 team 7 of 8 times and twice on Sunday be interesting to see 2002 Dats vs 2008 Lids...Babs vs Scotty

Fun facts where I got some info...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ten-facts-about-a-fun-team-2002-wings-edition/

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I think the speed of the 2008 team would beat 2002 team. Hockey was faster in 2008 than it was in 2002. Plus the 2008 team didn't lose more than 2 games in a series while the 2002 team went to game 7 with the Avs and was down 0-2 to the Canucks. I'd pick the 08 team because of the way they just clicked together. I know 2002 team had the better players, but better doesn't always mean winners. But the trump card is obviously coaching. Bowman read the game wayyyy better than Babcock ever will.

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I think the speed of the 2008 team would beat 2002 team. Hockey was faster in 2008 than it was in 2002. Plus the 2008 team didn't lose more than 2 games in a series while the 2002 team went to game 7 with the Avs and was down 0-2 to the Canucks. I'd pick the 08 team because of the way they just clicked together. I know 2002 team had the better players, but better doesn't always mean winners. But the trump card is obviously coaching. Bowman read the game wayyyy better than Babcock ever will.

No disrespect to the 2008 team, but the 2002 team would have annihilated them. We went to a Game 7 with the defending Cup champs and a team that is far superior compared to any team in the 2008 season. We lost the first two games against VAN because Yzerman was out and everyone was rusty having purposely been rested due to the Olympics and Bowman wanted to make sure everyone was ready for the playoffs. A strategy that almost backfired, but I digress. The general consensus is that 2002 Wings are the greatest Red Wings team, if not the greatest NHL team, of all time. I watched that entire season as if I had knowledge from the future, knowing that it would end with us hoisting the Cup. I knew there was no way, no how, anyone was going to win 4 times in 7 games against us. It just wasn't going to happen.

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By the way, what u ladies up to? Can't compare 2002 to 2008. Game had changed. No more clutch & grab. And hits cleaned up, in a major way.

There is a reason the game is faster now and that offensive defensemen are in such a demand. They simply could not be as fast back then. Mass and stopping power was at a premium for a defenseman.

There are superior exceptions as Lidström, but they can be counted on one hand. For reference, imagine Konstantinov playing like he did now in 2016.

Just y'all acknowledge both great teams from 2002 and 2008. If you ask me, if I'm allowed to "disregard" the rule interpretation changes, there is no contest - the 2002 team would stand up against Canada's national team. Maybe even offer the fantastic Soviet team from the 90's a challenge.

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Swap Bowman and Babcock with 02 and 08 teams and 08 team wins.

02 team couldn't beat Giguiere in 03 without Bowman or Hasek. 08 team went back to the finals. I love the 02 team as much as any other Wings fan. On paper it was an amazing team but in reality most of those guys were well past their primes. If all those guys were in their primes that 02 team could wreck a Soviet or current day Canadian team for sure. Most of the 08 team players were in their primes.

We're basically comparing an aged 02 roster to a prime 08 roster - which is why I'd say the 08 team wins. If we were comparing the 02 guys all in their primes playing against the 08 team it would be no competition.

But anyways we're going way off topic lol. Just a matter of opinion.

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The 09 Red Wings were better than the 08. If not for injuries...

Agreed. This was the third year in a row they went deep into the playoffs, we traveled back and forth to Anaheim for 7 games, suffered a few key injuries in the conference finals, played in the Finals with basically no rest, the series played its first 4 games in 6 days, Datsyuk missed more than half of it and yet we lost by 1 in Game 7. That 09 team was pretty awesome and deserved a better end. Probably one of our best non-Cup teams along with 95, 96, and 99.

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For as good as the 2009 team was I always felt like they weren't playing to their full potential. They seemed to be sort of half assing it until the very end. Kind of scary to think how good they could have been had they played full throttle.

2010 could have been a Cup year, too, if not for the bizarre rash of injuries.

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I don't buy the "Sharks haven't lost a home game yet, they're going to be just fine" theory. They were a virtual coinflip to begin the series, but they're 5 to 1 underdogs now.


For as good as the 2009 team was I always felt like they weren't playing to their full potential. They seemed to be sort of half assing it until the very end. Kind of scary to think how good they could have been had they played full throttle.

2010 could have been a Cup year, too, if not for the bizarre rash of injuries.

The 2009 team easily wins in 07. There was zero competition in 07; that Ducks team doesn't beat Osgood IMO.

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