Trade Detroit trades Datsyuk to Arizona

[poel 28]

Sign three guys and pay them more than what Stamkos could score on his own. I seriously don't understand not wanting a bonafide superstar on this team

Imagine thinking having Okoposo as the centerpiece to your offense will take you anywhere in the playoffs. Great complimentary scorer but the wings are trying to build a new core

I want him and there's surely a certain chance we get him...but it's honestly not very realistic. Normally he'll stay in Tampa. I think for him it's all about success so the question is maybe not about the money but more about Yzerman's plans and Cooper. But I'm sure if it comes down to who stays they'll just fire Cooper. There are also rumours about other players not being happy to play under him. Tampa offers good money and has the advantage of the taxes in Florida. I don't think it's about the money for Stamkos.

Edited June 25, 2016 by poel

[joesuffP 1,746]

Retire a red wing retire a hockey God

[VM1138 1,921]

Sign three guys and pay them more than what Stamkos could score on his own. I seriously don't understand not wanting a bonafide superstar on this team

Imagine thinking having Okoposo as the centerpiece to your offense will take you anywhere in the playoffs. Great complimentary scorer but the wings are trying to build a new core

Having a team full of 15-20 goal scorers is how you never score in the playoffs

Thank you! I felt like the only one who saw this on bright, obvious flashing letters.

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

Thank you! I felt like the only one who saw this on bright, obvious flashing letters.

Yea getting Stamkos is the most expensive player we can get but he is also the most guaranteed return on your investment. Backes, Okposo, Ladd and others are good players but they need to fit well into the system and mesh well with the players around them to be great. Stamkos will produce no matter who is on his line and what your system is. He has to be our #1 priority. It's not everyday a 26 year old superstar in his prime is a free agent. And it's definitely not every day they Red Wings actually have the cap space for a player like that.

[LeftWinger 4,959]

Trade for Trouba or Fowler sign Stamkos sign okposo. Find backup goalie.

[poel 28]

Yea getting Stamkos is the most expensive player we can get but he is also the most guaranteed return on your investment. Backes, Okposo, Ladd and others are good players but they need to fit well into the system and mesh well with the players around them to be great. Stamkos will produce no matter who is on his line and what your system is. He has to be our #1 priority. It's not everyday a 26 year old superstar in his prime is a free agent. And it's definitely not every day they Red Wings actually have the cap space for a player like that.

Okposo is a puck hog...he can be physical and he's strong defensively. He'll be just fine with just about any center. Looks like the ideal winger for Zetterberg to me. Will add some size.

[poel 28]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/06/red_wings_ken_holland_unloads.html#incart_river_index

About as expected.

[Internet.Unknown 422]

Trade for Trouba or Fowler sign Stamkos sign okposo. Find backup goalie.

*put down pipe

[xtrememachine1 795]

I keep reading that Buffalo and Toronto are both serious contenders for Stamkos, as are the Islanders. Maybe I'm a little biased, but... what?? I'm sorry, but how can these franchises be compared to the Wings. Toronto, despite all the money and fame that goes with playing for the Leafs in Canada, hasn't been a serious contender for decades. I don't know its the pressure from the Toronto media, a bad string of coaches and GMs or simply bad luck, but why would commit to a team, long term, that hasn't done anything in most of our lifetimes. Buffalo is another I don't understand. The best team they've ever had was above average at best. That's not to say that they won't ever become great, they have a few good young guys that will most likely develop into stars, but if management is offering Stamkos $12 mil per year, what are the odds they'll be able to keep that core together? Meanwhile, here's the Wings potentially throwing big money his way, they have been the epitome of excellence these past 25 years. While winning championships, management and scouts have been able to rebuild, using low draft picks, another championship team. The Wings have a deep history of winning and greatness. Some of the greatest players to ever play the game have worn the Winged Wheel. The team, while not impressive at the end of the year, made great strides throughout the majority of the year with younger players like Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, DeKeyser and Mrazek. Holland basically needs to ask Stamkos this question, does he want to be the next Steve Yzerman or does he want to be the next Marcel Dionne. Again, I'm biased because I'm a (huge) Wings fan, but if its my life and I'm trying to make a decision on where I spend to spend the next 7-8 years of my life, I'm going with the organization that has proven it knows how to win and has made its great players into legendary ones.

[RedWingsRox 614]

So when do we sign Datsyuk to a one day contract so he can officially retire as Red Wing, after next year?

[marcaractac 3,963]

So when do we sign Datsyuk to a one day contract so he can officially retire as Red Wing, after next year?

Never, because his last game was as a Wing.

[kickazz 5,459]

So when do we sign Datsyuk to a one day contract so he can officially retire as Red Wing, after next year?

He's already retired as a Red Wing. He signed the retirement papers last week.

[RedWingsRox 614]

Never, because his last game was as a Wing.

He's already retired as a Red Wing. He signed the retirement papers last week.

What if Coyotes decide to retire his jersey?

[marcaractac 3,963]

What if Coyotes decide to retire his jersey?

I actually think it would be hilarious

[Bannedforlife 403]

What if Coyotes decide to retire his jersey?

He is the best player theyve ever had

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

He is the best player theyve ever had

His retired number would look good next to Prongers retired number in the rafters in Arizona lmao

[brett 1,029]

wow good trade

vitale cant play so an extra 1.2 mil on ltir

going for stamkos bank it. expect big money too 10x7

IMO holland HAS to sign a big name. after last years performance and losing datsyuk i am sure there are a lot of fans that just lost interest in the red wings. signing stamkos would certainly bring a lot of interest back

[SwedeLundin77 460]

I almost wonder if we might get our big forward via trade, maybe. Edmonton has a few expendables...

[VM1138 1,921]

I think we'll add two forwards. Stamkos and then a supporting player. I'm losing hope in a defenseman, tough. I guess we could tackle that next year. Baby steps.

[poel 28]

I think we'll add two forwards. Stamkos and then a supporting player. I'm losing hope in a defenseman, tough. I guess we could tackle that next year. Baby steps.

If we're able to lose Ericsson I'd be ok to play the kids. With Ericsson I'd be concerned. I never really liked him but he was always solid. Last season he was beyond terrible. I'd rather play Ouellet or Smith.

To me it's not written in stone that there's no d-man available though. Minnesota wants wingers for a defender. I don't want Spurgeon but I think they're more thinking about Scandella, Brodin or Dumba anyway. Brodin is a rocksolid workhorse similar to DeKeyser, Scandella is a typical stay at home defenseman with a big shot. Dumba still has to learn a lot but he has tons of skill. Sky's the limit for him...and he's a righty. I'd take them all. Problem probably is that Holland doesn't have the balls to give up something significant in a trade. For all three of them I'd happily trade away Nyquist, Tatar plus pick or prospect.

Same situation in Anaheim who wants wingers or cap for forwards and therefore seems willing to give away Fowler.

Holland should also keep an eye on Trouba. If it's true that he's demanding a lot of money or might doesn't want to resign at all Holland has to have an offersheet ready. Two Michigan top defenders might be available...Holland better doesn't miss out on them if there's the slightest chance...

[kliq 3,755]

Well Arizona would have been with Svech or whatever his name is or AA too...both positions than wings are better at than at defense. This trades evaluation will depend on 2 things;

1. Can the Wings convince Stamkos to come here? Yes, the cap space is there but others can offer equal money and th ability to play with Eichel. This reminds me too much of the Suter Parise situation. Although I think Toronto would be the wrong choice for him.

2. Chychrun's development. A physical beast being compared to Scott Stevens falls into the Wings lap and they trade him. Did it ever occur to people that that is a reason, why the Coyotes where so eager to get this guy? The kid the Wings drafted is yet again undersized (wouldn't be a problem if this was a heavy team but it isn't), and known for questionable defensive abilities .. So I just hope Hakan saw something in him..because frankly most experts didn't.

A lot of people seem to think Stammer is a given which is far from the truth and if not him, then what? There is no other number 1 center available. Cap space is great if a team can use to get the best possible player otherwise use less. Back in the days I would've said oh great no bring in Stammer...but after getting passed over by Suter, Parise, Niskanen and with an unknown future Stammer to Detroit is far from a given...and I shudder at the thought of signing Eriksson, Vanek or anyone of that "caliber"

Number 2 is a big assumption by you and many others, people are trying to create the definitive narrative that Detroit passed over Chychrun in order to make this trade, there is no guarantee that Detroit ever wanted him and if they picked at 16 they very well could have picked someone else just like the 15 teams before them. If you are Detroit, and you are not planning on drafting Chychrun due to his injury history, what better move to make then to trade the pick to a team that does want him, add a second, and get rid of Datsyuk's contract.

Now, is that what happened? Who knows, only a hand fill of people could answer that question. But my point is you cant say that trade cost us Chychrun as we have no clue who they would have drafted at 16 had they picked.

[Dominator2005 558]

Worst case scenario will be if KH can't land Stamkos or any of Okposo, Lucic, Backes... and he overpays for Ladd and Brouwer. Then giving up on Chych will be a huge mistake.

Getting Stamkos will facilitate future FA signings as we are clearly missing super stars (Larkin could be one).

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

Number 2 is a big assumption by you and many others, people are trying to create the definitive narrative that Detroit passed over Chychrun in order to make this trade, there is no guarantee that Detroit ever wanted him and if they picked at 16 they very well could have picked someone else just like the 15 teams before them. If you are Detroit, and you are not planning on drafting Chychrun due to his injury history, what better move to make then to trade the pick to a team that does want him, add a second, and get rid of Datsyuk's contract.

Now, is that what happened? Who knows, only a hand fill of people could answer that question. But my point is you cant say that trade cost us Chychrun as we have no clue who they would have drafted at 16 had they picked.

I agree. If Detroit believed this guy was a franchise defenseman, they would never trade the pick away just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract. They had other offers on the table and other avenues they could have explored. My belief is they weren't high on Chychrun and used his hype to their advantage. Time will tell how good he is but I don't think he was as high on our draft board as other teams. Edited June 26, 2016 by Datsyukian-Deke

[poel 28]

I agree. If Detroit believed this guy was a franchise defenseman, they would never trade the pick away just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract. They had other offers on the table and other avenues they could have explored. My belief is they weren't high on Chychrun and used his hype to their advantage. Time will tell how good he is but I don't think he was as high on our draft board as other teams.

Or maybe Holland thought that the guy we got is pretty close to Chychrun and that the draft was pretty deep upfront. At least Holland already told Chayka ahead of the draft that he'd be willing to trade his pick.

I also agree that it's not sure we would have picked Chychrun but it would have been the obvious choice. And, that's for sure, the deal only happened because Chychrun was still available at 16. Chychrun was the guy the Yotes wanted. If he's not available at 16 there's no Datsyuk-deal. We got a little lucky there.

[DatsyukianDekes 2,428]

Worst case scenario will be if KH can't land Stamkos or any of Okposo, Lucic, Backes... and he overpays for Ladd and Brouwer. Then giving up on Chych will be a huge mistake.

Getting Stamkos will facilitate future FA signings as we are clearly missing super stars (Larkin could be one).

You can't look at it that way. That's hindsight, there is no possible way Holland knows what is going to happen.