toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 http://www.tsn.ca/lindros-makarov-vachon-quinn-going-to-the-hall-1.516507 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Nice to see Lindros get the nod. He deserves to be there. But overall, holy hell what a weak class compared to the last few. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Happy Lindros is in. Who knows where he would have ended up without concussion issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Nice to see Lindros get the nod. He deserves to be there. But overall, holy hell what a weak class compared to the last few. Weak class? I have no idea who Quinn (Pat?) and Vachon were but Sergey Makarov is one of the best players in the history of hockey. Top 50 of all time easily. His NHL career was short but I'm sure that 40+ fans clearly remember Makarov dominating the best NHL's while playing for USSR. We all know who Lindros was as well. A unique forward dominating NHL in his prime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 You have no idea who Pat Quinn or Rogie Vachon were? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Weak class? I have no idea who Quinn (Pat?) and Vachon were but Sergey Makarov is one of the best players in the history of hockey. Top 50 of all time easily. His NHL career was short but I'm sure that 40+ fans clearly remember Makarov dominating the best NHL's while playing for USSR. We all know who Lindros was as well. A unique forward dominating NHL in his prime. Don't lecture people on hockey when you don't even know who Pat Quinn is. 2 SetecX and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barabbas16 499 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Lindros's performance in the 1997 Stanley Cup Finals was an integral part of the Detroit Red Wings franchise's first Stanley Cup in 42 years. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Comparitively a weak class. It's no wonder Lindros (finally) made it. Good for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobL 28 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 Every time I look at the forum topic list I read this as '... are going to hell', and do a double take. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 and ozzie gets passed again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 Don't lecture people on hockey when you don't even know who Pat Quinn is. Well, I guessed Pat. Just forgot that the HOF standard for coaches is way lower than for players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 Happy for Lindros and Quinn waited long enough to finally get in. Don't know how Vachon is but congratulations to him and Marakov too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 I rooted against Eric Lindros for the majority of his career, but he is very deserving of this honor. Dominate power forward throughout the 90's. He shot hard, hit hard and was always a big presence on the ice. Unfortunately, when you're as hated as he was and got physical as much as he did, injuries are inevitable. Regardless of the level of this particular class, I'm glad he is going to be recognized as one of the best to ever play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 987 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 I think Scott Stevens had a lot to do with Lindros' career being shortened...back in the day where this was allowed. He was a big boy for sure see as Lindros goes after Stevens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 Lindros was a dominant player, better stats than other guys who are already in ahead of him. Makarov certainly deserves it too. Not sure about Vachon. Osgood has better numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 Vachon is certainly a head scratcher. I know of him, but have never seen him play....which usually means he was pretty good, otherwise, why would I have heard of him? It is difficult to compare goalie stats from his day to more recent years though. On the radio today, the discussion on Vachon came up and they didn't think he really had HOF type credentials, guys like Andy Moog were brought up...again, someone that doesn't really jump out as HOF worthy (Curtis Joseph, Chris Osgood, etc.). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 watching Lindros, Stevens is just awesome two big boys playing hockey the way it should be played. Stevens may as well be the best open ice hitter ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 watching Lindros, Stevens is just awesome two big boys playing hockey the way it should be played. Stevens may as well be the best open ice hitter ever Definitely a great hitter, but its hard to compare guys like him and Vladdy to players now a days because the majority of their hits would no longer be legal. Just one example, but Imagine the what Kronwall could have done over the last 10 years if he had 1990's rules. Its all for the best mind you, as I dont want to see players with severe brain trauma and CTE as they age, but before I knew the long term effects it was damn entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 987 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 Kinda like the top 10 Stevens' hits ....how many games would he have been suspended.... Kozzie hit was number 3 after that hit he was speaking Russlish neither Russian or English... sorry to derail but some of the hits are absurd plus he answered the bell if challenged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 Makarov is the best winger of the 1980's. It's not a weak year, unless you started watching hockey in the 90's and never bothered learning about the game's history. Lindros and Vachon, along with Makarov were the best players not in the HHOF. Long time coming for two of them. 1 Number19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 Makarov is the best winger of the 1980's. It's not a weak year, unless you started watching hockey in the 90's and never bothered learning about the game's history. Lindros and Vachon, along with Makarov were the best players not in the HHOF. Long time coming for two of them. Weak year comparitively to last. Had Lidstrom, Fedorov been eligible this year, I doubt Lindros would have gotten in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 Weak year comparitively to last. Had Lidstrom, Fedorov been eligible this year, I doubt Lindros would have gotten in. Maybe it's weak comparatively, but the last several seasons have been anomalies, in that the generation inducted was the best in hockey history. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 Makarov is the best winger of the 1980's. It's not a weak year, unless you started watching hockey in the 90's and never bothered learning about the game's history. Lindros and Vachon, along with Makarov were the best players not in the HHOF. Long time coming for two of them. I think that's overstatement. People don't know him as well because he was only in the NHL for 6 years (+6 games) and the Soviet league had little coverage in North America. His NHL years were 89-96 so 90s fans would know him, but he was only among the league's highest producers for the first 2-3 years Also, I can't buy him as the best winger of the 80s. I think you have to go with Mike Bossy. Probable Jari Kurri ahead as well. Also just the problem of comparing leagues since he wasn't in the NHL in the 80s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 PVD...Makarov was not amount the league's highest producers for the first 2-3 years or ever. Those years, he was 4th or 5th on his team in scoring, the highest he ever finished from a league perspective was 28th. This is why a lot may not think of him much. I admit to not seeing a lot of him and never thinking of him when I was a kid, but I know enough now to understand he was one of the best back in the 80s. It was entirely due to his Russian experience though, not NHL, that's why people don't think of him much. Larionov is very similar that way, his stats in the NHL were not that great, his accomplishments were more international (Markarov's were better in that respect). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 PVD...Makarov was not amount the league's highest producers for the first 2-3 years or ever. Those years, he was 4th or 5th on his team in scoring, the highest he ever finished from a league perspective was 28th. This is why a lot may not think of him much. I admit to not seeing a lot of him and never thinking of him when I was a kid, but I know enough now to understand he was one of the best back in the 80s. It was entirely due to his Russian experience though, not NHL, that's why people don't think of him much. Larionov is very similar that way, his stats in the NHL were not that great, his accomplishments were more international (Markarov's were better in that respect). Agreed. I was just including 28th and 29th in points (his first 2 years, slipped to 53rd in 3rd year) as a "amongst the league's highest producers." Maybe that was a bit generous, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites