DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 I doubt that the Preds would be any worse if they still had Weber instead of Subban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: A number 1 goalie playing out of his mind usually is a byproduct of a good defense playing spectacularly. A good defense playing spectacularly usually is a byproduct of a good forward group playing wonderfully Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,496 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 I think the trade was terrible, but not because Shea Weber isn't a good defenseman. Usually people tend to view trades in terms of Player X vs. Player Y, and I get that, but that's not the reason why the trade was so lopsided. It was a bad trade because it showed that Marc Bergevin has a spectacularly poor understanding of which direction the game is trending. His team was already slow, and had trouble keeping the puck out of his own zone. Carey Price gets shelled all the time, and it's a testament to him that he's been so successful at keeping the Canadiens competitive. Montreal needed MORE guys like Subban, not less. They traded puck moving ability, which it at a premium because of the affect it has DEFENSIVELY, for a few more points and few more goals from one player over the other. That's why it's a really bad trade. Well that and the fact that Weber is older and has a horrible contract. But those things are sorta secondary IMO. 3 krsmith17, Dabura and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I think the trade was terrible, but not because Shea Weber isn't a good defenseman. Usually people tend to view trades in terms of Player X vs. Player Y, and I get that, but that's not the reason why the trade was so lopsided. It was a bad trade because it showed that Marc Bergevin has a spectacularly poor understanding of which direction the game is trending. His team was already slow, and had trouble keeping the puck out of his own zone. Carey Price gets shelled all the time, and it's a testament to him that he's been so successful at keeping the Canadiens competitive. Montreal needed MORE guys like Subban, not less. They traded puck moving ability, which it at a premium because of the affect it has DEFENSIVELY, for a few more points and few more goals from one player over the other. That's why it's a really bad trade. Well that and the fact that Weber is older and has a horrible contract. But those things are sorta secondary IMO. Subban didn't respek da systum 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted May 9, 2017 It's obvious that God hates Shea Weber. As well as he should. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 9, 2017 If you go back to the 3 Bold Predictions thread, one of my predictions was that Nashville would win the Cup over Washington. The major reason that I thought/think this is because I view this trade in a similar fashion to the Shanny/Coffey/Primeau trade. I believe it is going to go down as the trade that gave Nashville the piece they needed to finally put them over the top. I don't believe Weber is a bad player, and this is in no way an effort to put him down, but I do believe that Subban is the superior player in 2017. I also believe that making a change like this completely changes the dynamic of a team, and I do not believe that if Weber was there over Subban they would still be doing what they are doing this post season. Hockey is not that simplistic, this is not a video game where if you simply take player A out, and put player B is, nothing changes. In my mind, Nashville is the run away winner, and that is not even taking Weber's ridiculous contract into consideration. Montreal got fleeced here. 3 Dabura, krsmith17 and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 9, 2017 I agree with kliq and disagree with Frankgrimes 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 http://www.tsn.ca/chiarelli-dorion-poile-finalists-for-gm-award-1.753699 Poile was nominated for GM of the year. Pretty good for a guy who got "robbed". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Crazy how this trade ended up. Weber and his team gets KO'd round 1 and Subban is officially in the Stanley cup playoffs with Nashville for the first time in franchise HISTORY. What Weber couldn't do in 11 years with Nashville, Subban helps do it in a year. 10 points in 16 playoff games too. Montreal got robbed big time. Edited May 29, 2017 by kickazz 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, kickazz said: Crazy how this trade ended up. Weber and his team gets KO'd round 1 and Subban is officially in the Stanley cup playoffs with Nashville for the first time in franchise HISTORY. What Weber couldn't do in 11 years with Nashville, Subban helps do it in a year. 10 points in 16 playoff games too. Montreal got robbed big time. Then when you consider that Subban is 28 and Weber is 31, and Subban is under contract for another 5 years (becoming a UFA at 33) while Weber is under contract for another 9 (becoming a UFA at 40) its just not even close. Montreal possibly made one of the worst trades in NHL history. How funny if it blows up in their face year 1. I thought that it would at least take a couple of years until this happened. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 I really doubt that the teams wouldn't have done what they did this year if the trade hadn't been made. The only difference is that the Habs fans would be foaming at the mouth trying to blame Subban for flaming out and the Preds fans would be pumping Weber up as some All Time Great. Montreal fizzled because of reasons other than Weber and Nashville advanced because of a great team defense and getting enough timely scoring for the first time in their history. This isn't the NBA where one superstar is the team and everyone else defers to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: I really doubt that the teams wouldn't have done what they did this year if the trade hadn't been made. The only difference is that the Habs fans would be foaming at the mouth trying to blame Subban for flaming out and the Preds fans would be pumping Weber up as some All Time Great. Montreal fizzled because of reasons other than Weber and Nashville advanced because of a great team defense and getting enough timely scoring for the first time in their history. This isn't the NBA where one superstar is the team and everyone else defers to him. I have a very hard time believing that star players don't matter enough to influence outcomes. If just having a good team on paper and replacing one star with another doesnt mean anything, then Washington would have multiple cups right now and this doesnt even touch on the energy that one guy like that can bring to the room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 52 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: I really doubt that the teams wouldn't have done what they did this year if the trade hadn't been made. The only difference is that the Habs fans would be foaming at the mouth trying to blame Subban for flaming out and the Preds fans would be pumping Weber up as some All Time Great. Montreal fizzled because of reasons other than Weber and Nashville advanced because of a great team defense and getting enough timely scoring for the first time in their history. This isn't the NBA where one superstar is the team and everyone else defers to him. Durant or Curry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, DickieDunn said: This isn't the NBA where one superstar is the team and everyone else defers to him. In the NBA a star player can be the difference between a team being good or being bad, in the NHL I agree they mean less, but I do believe that certain players can help a team get over the hump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 29, 2017 Truthfully the major reason for their cup run is Pekka Rinne. But Subban has turned out to be a better fit for Nashville than Weber was. Now who is the REAL winner of this trade? It's P.K Subban. 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juklitz 85 Report post Posted May 30, 2017 http://www.writehumanity.com/case-firing-marc-bergevin-open-letter-geoff-molson/ Just passing by... 1 Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 974 Report post Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Juklitz said: http://www.writehumanity.com/case-firing-marc-bergevin-open-letter-geoff-molson/ Just passing by... Hmmm change the owner to Ilitch, GM to Ken Holland and change a few players and it's a letter for the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Juklitz said: http://www.writehumanity.com/case-firing-marc-bergevin-open-letter-geoff-molson/ Just passing by... Frankgrimes would heavily disagree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted July 7, 2018 The trade that just keeps getting worse and worse and worse for Habs fans https://www.tsn.ca/habs-weber-has-knee-surgery-out-5-6-months-1.1131722 Has @frankgrimes officially left us? 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) He mentions the site "Roster Resource". Is this a reliable site? Edited July 7, 2018 by kliq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kliq said: He mentions the site "Roster Resource". Is this a reliable site? Hadn't heard about it until now, tbh. Edited July 7, 2018 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 7, 2018 On 5/29/2017 at 11:18 AM, kliq said: In the NBA a star player can be the difference between a team being good or being bad, in the NHL I agree they mean less, but I do believe that certain players can help a team get over the hump. Yep. See: Brendan Shanahan 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 7, 2018 On 5/30/2017 at 3:49 AM, Juklitz said: http://www.writehumanity.com/case-firing-marc-bergevin-open-letter-geoff-molson/ Just passing by... Bergevin is like the jelly of the month club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted July 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Dabura said: Hadn't heard about it until now, tbh. https://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-how-acquired-breakdown/ This is an interesting feature. 2 Dabura and Keep Your Stick On the Ice reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
