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Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

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Don't jinx him! :scared:

He will be auto-jinxed by father time and lingering injuries. Let's just hope he has a really high pain threshold and a nice inner drive. Cures most small ailments.

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Nielsen's Thoughts On How To Fix The Red Wings

"It's been disappointing absolutely, but I think there are some really good pieces in here, so I think it's not like I feel like I'm going to come back after the summer and we're going to go through this again," Nielsen said. "I really believe this group can do something. We've just got to learn from this and figure it out. I think for the most part, some nights we basically got outworked, and that just can't happen in this league."

The prevailing sentiment from one of the team's veterans: They need more grit.

"We just got to bring a little more mean attitude and play harder and do it a little more simple sometimes," Nielsen said.

"I know they always had a tradition of playing a lot of nice hockey here with skill guys, but I think we got to learn how to play the other side of it, too. ... It's a tough league and you have to pay the price every night. ... You can't skill your way through this league today. It's too hard."

Nielsen said the team needs a player like Steve Ott. The Red Wings signed him to a one-year, $800,000 contract last summer and traded him to the Montreal Canadiens for a sixth-round pick at the deadline, when they determined they were out of the playoff chase.

"Every time we'd get the puck down in their end, he'd finish checks on their D," Nielsen said. "At some point, they're going to be tired of that and they're going to back off and that's going to give our skill guys a little more room. They're going to give up that four or five feet at the blue line and you can come in and hit guys coming in late.

Nielsen said coach Jeff Blashill's system is not the issue.

"Sometimes it just comes down to us in here," Nielsen said. "You've just got to bring it every night. It's not going to be pretty sometimes; you have to grind it out and find other ways to win."

It's also the coaching staff's responsibility to put players in the best position to maximize their abilities. Too many players took a step back this season.

"I think (Blashill) is a really good coach and every time he comes and speaks, when he walks out you're like, 'He's saying the right things,' " Nielsen said. "It really doesn't come down to (coaching) right now. I think it's in the room, us players. We got outworked in a bunch of games. Stuff like that, it's not X's and O's. It's us in here that have to step it up and do a better job."

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17 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I'm betting Ott comes back. Along with one of White or Boyle. We'll lose Abby, NY quest, Helm or Sheahan to Vegas. Not signing miller, we'll have the roster spots.

Plus AA when we trade him for D :lol:

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14 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Why? We don't need 4th liners. Unless you wanna TANK IT BABY!!!!

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"Every time we'd get the puck down in their end, he'd finish checks on their D," Nielsen said. "At some point, they're going to be tired of that and they're going to back off and that's going to give our skill guys a little more room. They're going to give up that four or five feet at the blue line and you can come in and hit guys coming in late."

I agree with him. Team doesn't grind hard enough. 

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10 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

We need a better player who does that. Not Ott.

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Agreed.  We've already got 3 guys that forecheck well, have 4th line level offense, and are already under contract.  Glendening-Helm-Abby.  Why do we need someone like Ott?  Oh right, because he occasionally punches people.  Ugh. 

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2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Ott at $800,000 is a bargain.

Glendening, Helm, and Abby are overpaid and should be shed

Because they're overpaid they're unlikely to be "shed".  So you'd just be adding Ott's salary on top of theirs, and all of those guys are better players than he is.  I can't believe I actually have to explain this.  And even if you should shed one of those guys contracts, it would still be better to plug that hole with Bertuzzi since you'd ideally like him to be on the big club anyway. 

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2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Because they're overpaid they're unlikely to be "shed".  So you'd just be adding Ott's salary on top of theirs, and all of those guys are better players than he is.  I can't believe I actually have to explain this.  And even if you should shed one of those guys contracts, it would still be better to plug that hole with Bertuzzi since you'd ideally like him to be on the big club anyway. 

I think Ott brings more to the table than Bertuzzi does, currently.

Bringing in Ott is/was basically a no risk move. He's that cheap cheap, and players seem to like having him around. I don't see what the big deal is.

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5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I think Ott brings more to the table than Bertuzzi does, currently.

Bringing in Ott is/was basically a no risk move. He's that cheap cheap, and players seem to like having him around. I don't see what the big deal is.

The big deal is, you've got guys on the roster who are better than Ott, you have guys on the roster you want to be better than Ott, and you're trying to develop you team in order to be competitive again in a few years.  So giving a roster spot to a 34 year old grinder at the end of his career is absurd.  Why not re-sign Miller if you're dying to bring back a veteran grinder?  He had almost the exact same s***ty season that Ott did. 

Our team is stacked with 4th line types.  More than we could ever need.  And you're advocating bringing another one in for what?  Because you like him?  We've got Glendening, Helm, Abby, Sheahan, Bertuzzi ALREADY on the team.  Smith too if you're really stretching it.  The only way I sign a veteran grinder is if we magically get rid of at least 3 of them in the offseason, which is unrealistic.  And WHY would that even make sense anyway?  Get rid of grinders so you can sign different, older, less good grinders?  It's dumb, regardless of how you look at it.

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14 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

The big deal is, you've got guys on the roster who are better than Ott, you have guys on the roster you want to be better than Ott, and you're trying to develop you team in order to be competitive again in a few years.  So giving a roster spot to a 34 year old grinder at the end of his career is absurd.  Why not re-sign Miller if you're dying to bring back a veteran grinder?  He had almost the exact same s***ty season that Ott did. 

Our team is stacked with 4th line types.  More than we could ever need.  And you're advocating bringing another one in for what?  Because you like him?  We've got Glendening, Helm, Abby, Sheahan, Bertuzzi ALREADY on the team.  Smith too if you're really stretching it.  The only way I sign a veteran grinder is if we magically get rid of at least 3 of them in the offseason, which is unrealistic.  And WHY would that even make sense anyway?  Get rid of grinders so you can sign different, older, less good grinders?  It's dumb, regardless of how you look at it.

You're concerned Ott is taking some kids roster spot. This doesn't concern me.

With Ott you get a lot of bang for your buck. And as a skilled player like Nielsen explains, he's tough to play against and the Wings need more of that not less.

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5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

You're concerned Ott is taking some kids roster spot. This doesn't concern me.

With Ott you get a lot of bang for your buck. And as a skilled player like Nielsen explains, he's tough to play against and the Wings need more of that not less.

Right, because we were so much better with Ott than without him lol.  It's not like this is theoretical, we already know what a Red Wings team with Steve Ott looks like.  I'm not speculating here.

We need to improve our top 9, which will push guys like Helm, Abby, and Sheahan DOWN the roster.  Not add aging veteran grinders which push guys like that UP the roster.  On a good team, Helm and Abby are 4th liners, and guys like Miller and Ott, are in the AHL or are retired. 

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2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Right, because we were so much better with Ott than without him lol.  It's not like this is theoretical, we already know what a Red Wings team with Steve Ott looks like.  I'm not speculating here.

Are you suggesting we had a bad season because Steve Ott was on the roster for part of it?

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