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4 hours ago, kickazz said:

What legally protected rights? Fedorov was a free agent. Datsyuk wasn't. Holland could have taken action in Datsyuk's case. Whether or not that would have worked is something none of us really know. Objectively within the bounds of contracts; it's pretty simple that one guy fullfilled his and the other didn't. You don't need to stretch it out to make your argument fit lol. I mean I guess you can. But Fedorov never walked out on any contract he was obligated to with the Wings. 

Either way on a note related to the main question asked in this thread. Clearly Illitch/Holland don't see it the way you do. If they did, then #91 would have long been on the rafters. Maybe you can e-mail your post to the Illitches and try to get that #91 retired. 

If you're going to respond to a week-old post at least have the decency to read the thread so you can offer something new to the discussion. You made me think I'd stumbled on to time travel, and now I'm sad. Jerk.

Also, if your intent is to ask if the Wings will retire a number, you should edit the title. As worded it is clearly asking for the opinion of the respondents. 

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10 hours ago, Buppy said:

Also, if your intent is to ask if the Wings will retire a number, you should edit the title. As worded it is clearly asking for the opinion of the respondents. 

Your e-mail can be titled “should it be retired”. It would be a catchy title and they would immediately open it. 

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10 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Holland: Y'know we'd really like to put #91 in the rafters. How would you like to have your name on the banner instead of Fedorov?

Tavares: Where do I sign, Ken?

Terrific, nevertheless it Quite is a damn humiliation that the owners couldn't just take in direction of honor a different higher echelon Corridor of Famer, Sergei Fedorov.

:hysterical: Sorry, couldn't resist that one! 

I sure hope we can get JT though, that response was not meant to say I do not want JT here! Just a partial sentence from the other weird thread!

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6 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I'm torn.

Had Feds not left on such bad terms this would be a no brainer.

I recall an interview some years ago where there were rumors of Sergei returning to Detroit, and when asked he was rather coy which led me to believe he had regrets for how things played out.

 

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17 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

I'm torn.

Had Feds not left on such bad terms this would be a no brainer.

I recall an interview some years ago where there were rumors of Sergei returning to Detroit, and when asked he was rather coy which led me to believe he had regrets for how things played out.

 

Datsyuk left on worse terms. 

 

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9 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Datsyuk left on worse terms. 

 

Damn right he did...Didn't get $$$ for his last year under contract.

On a more serious note - I don't recall Dats being anywhere near the 'frustration meter' that Feds was for this organization.

Feds off ice/in bed woes with Kornikova/Bure/etc probably led to his ultimate demise as a Red Wing.

By all means - Holland was a bit short-tempered in all of this, but having to deal with him back in 97/98 made Holland wary of how Feds went about his business.

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8 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Damn right he did...Didn't get $$$ for his last year under contract.

On a more serious note - I don't recall Dats being anywhere near the 'frustration meter' that Feds was for this organization.

Feds off ice/in bed woes with Kornikova/Bure/etc probably led to his ultimate demise as a Red Wing.

By all means - Holland was a bit short-tempered in all of this, but having to deal with him back in 97/98 made Holland wary of how Feds went about his business.

Datsyuk was being a diva the minute he signed the contract extension in 2013. Holland basically said so himself. Kept wanting out every year since 2013 until Holland and Illitches finally gave in in 2016. 

Federov left after his contract ended. He never failed to honor a contract. Datsyuk wanted to walk out on a contract.

What Datsyuk did was worse for the organization. Imagine if he had left as soon as he signed the contract in 2013. We would have had dead cap space for 3 years. Thankfully Holland told him to f*** off and honor it for at least 2 more years, then he would let him go on the last year. 

If Datsyuk's jersey is getting retired, so should Fedorov's.  

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1 minute ago, kickazz said:

Datsyuk was being a diva the minute he signed the contract extension in 2013. Holland basically said so himself. Kept wanting out every year since 2013 until Holland and Illitches finally gave in in 2016. 

Federov left after his contract ended. He never failed to honor a contract. Datsyuk wanted to walk out on a contract.

What Datsyuk did was worse for the organization. Imagine if he had left as soon as he signed the contract in 2013. We would have had dead cap space for 3 years. Thankfully Holland told him to f*** off and honor it for at least 2 more years, then he would let him go on the last year. 

 

I honestly didn't see things this way.

Feds held out until well into the 97/98 season, and only became a Red Wing after he signed a contract offered by the Canes in which Holland matched - thus retaining Feds services.

Holland offered 2 separate deals to Feds prior to him leaving (after Holland pulled them off the table).

I recall Dats wanting to go home his last few years while in Detroit, but I do not remember the level of drama  with Dats that we had seen with Feds - maybe selective memory?

Yeah - in the end one could argue that Dats cost us since we had to bribe the Yotes to take his contract off Hollan'd hands thus giving us cap space.

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2 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

I honestly didn't see things this way.

Feds held out until well into the 97/98 season, and only became a Red Wing after he signed a contract offered by the Canes in which Holland matched - thus retaining Feds services.

Holland offered 2 separate deals to Feds prior to him leaving (after Holland pulled them off the table).

I recall Dats wanting to go home his last few years while in Detroit, but I do not remember the level of drama  with Dats that we had seen with Feds - maybe selective memory?

Yeah - in the end one could argue that Dats cost us since we had to bribe the Yotes to take his contract off Hollan'd hands thus giving us cap space.

Just watch. Datsyuk and his agent wanted a 5 year deal lol. Holland brought it down to 3 years. Imagine if it had been 5 years and Datsyuk was like "I go to Russia"

 

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9 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Just watch. Datsyuk and his agent wanted a 5 year deal lol. Holland brought it down to 3 years. Imagine if it had been 5 years and Datsyuk was like "I go to Russia"

 

What can I say - $hit happens...Lucky it was just 1 yr that Holland had to cover for, and not a few more...

As far as things go with Feds vs Dats - Feds was always a headache for Holland whereas Dats was more of a shock when he wanted to bail.

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Just now, kickazz said:

Honestly the cleanest slate of the 4 people is Zetterberg and he will likely get retired soon. 

really though, Ozzie is (going to be) the only one who never "left" the organization on his own. Feds left UFA, Dats quit on his contract, Hank (as honorable as he has been) even said recently that when he signed the 12 year deal, never intended on finishing the contract (and that was before his back problems.) Ozzie was waived because he made too much money (t the time) and then when he became a UFA out of St. Louis, he came right back. IMO, Ozzie has the cleanest slate.

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15 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

really though, Ozzie is (going to be) the only one who never "left" the organization on his own. Feds left UFA, Dats quit on his contract, Hank (as honorable as he has been) even said recently that when he signed the 12 year deal, never intended on finishing the contract (and that was before his back problems.) Ozzie was waived because he made too much money (t the time) and then when he became a UFA out of St. Louis, he came right back. IMO, Ozzie has the cleanest slate.

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No lol. Osgood was a diva and wanted out if they got Hasek.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/29/sports/hockey-islanders-stretch-budget-for-osgood.html?nytmobile=0

Unlike Howard who handled the situation well when Mrazek was given #1 spot.

Zetterberg didn’t say HE signed a 12 year contract without intention of playing, he said the organization planned it that way to reduce their own cap hit and cheat the system. Z did the organization a favor to sign it that long. 

Whats the point of a player signing a contract 2 years longer if he’s his full pay anyways? 

It’s the organization that prefers to stretch those contracts to reduce cap hit; doesn’t do the player any good. 

But as per usual you have you anti-Z bias.

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5 minutes ago, kickazz said:

No lol. Osgood was a diva and wanted out if they got Hasek.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/29/sports/hockey-islanders-stretch-budget-for-osgood.html?nytmobile=0

Unlike Howard who handled the situation well when Mrazek was given #1 spot.

Zetterberg didn’t say he signed a 12 year contract without intention of playing, he said the organization planned it that way to reduce their own cap hit. Z did the organization a favor to sign it that long. 

Whats the point of a playing signing a contract 2 years longer if he’s his pay anyways? 

It’s the organization that prefers to stretch those contracts to reduce cap hit; doesn’t do the player any good. 

But as per usual you have you anti-Z bias.

No, I like Z, I was just going by what I read, really, I hope he plays until he cannot anymore and I am all for #40 going up as soon as possible. I just figured that with Osgood not leaving voluntarily, it seemed that he was the squeakier one. I believe he had more animosity for Legace than Hasek. Manny's Father-In-Law, whom I work with, can attest to that. He always said he and Ozzie never got along. But that doesn't mean Ozzie didn't have a problem with Hasek either, Maybe Ozzie is more of a drama queen than most realize...

But ya, I am a Z fan and want him to play and see his number retired.

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Feds was not a lifelong Wing. He won't get his jersey retired. He signed an offer sheet and later left via free agency when he was offered a contract to say. You wont get ur number in the rafters doing any of those things. Yzerman met the criteria, Lids met the criteria, Z will meet the criteria which is why he is the only one among the possibilities that will get it.

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1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Ugh.... #91 must go up where it belongs, no if's, and's or but's. It's an atrocity that it is not up there yet. When Stevie or Drapes takes over, we will see it happen.

It doesnt matter who the GM is, its an ownership decision. I agree he should be up though.

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40 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

No, I like Z, I was just going by what I read, really, I hope he plays until he cannot anymore and I am all for #40 going up as soon as possible. I just figured that with Osgood not leaving voluntarily, it seemed that he was the squeakier one. I believe he had more animosity for Legace than Hasek. Manny's Father-In-Law, whom I work with, can attest to that. He always said he and Ozzie never got along. But that doesn't mean Ozzie didn't have a problem with Hasek either, Maybe Ozzie is more of a drama queen than most realize...

But ya, I am a Z fan and want him to play and see his number retired.

I want to know if you get what I'm saying.

Z gets $73 million regardless. But the organization wanted him to do it over 12 years rather than 10 to reduce his cap hit. It's the organization that cheated the system. Not Z. 

Z signing it is a favor he did for them. 

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47 minutes ago, kickazz said:

I want to know if you get what I'm saying.

Z gets $73 million regardless. But the organization wanted him to do it over 12 years rather than 10 to reduce his cap hit. It's the organization that cheated the system. Not Z. 

Z signing it is a favor he did for them. 

I get it.

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Don't really want to bring up the numbers retirement stuff, that is not why I posted here. I just didn't want to start a thread for one video link I found while searching for some Vladdy videos.

We all know the story on how Fedorov defected here, we all know his HOF career, but there is one sentence in this video that really had me taken aback. When talking about defecting and it being half scary and half exciting he said that he thought he'd never see his parents again, but when he said it was "a little more exciting" than scary because "he knew he wouldn't be starving to death here." Wow, that really hit me, back in those days I never even thought that they faced those big of struggles as to be "starving to death." I guess I just took and take for granted all the amenities here in the Western World. It hits me that when they started defecting is wasn't just for money and fame, it was actually to get to F out of Russia and put some food on the table. Even though I was always a huge fan, I now have even more respect for Fedorov (and the other Russians) who defied the Soviet Union to come here for a life that could be lived and play a little hockey as Fedorov says in the video.

 

 

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