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Whoever thinks Cleary was a bust probably has zero clue what "bust" means. And is likely equating typical "I hate Dan Cleary" narrative with the concept of being a "bust".

Aside from winning a Stanley cup with us he also scored the OT game winner against Anaheim in 2009. Not to mention he had two 20 goal seasons, a 26 goal season and scored more points than Datsyuk did in the playoffs at least 3 different times. Also scored more goals than Zetterberg did in 2011. So it's not even "efforts". He actually produced better than our star players did at times. And not just one time. Multiple times.

His last playoffs with the Red Wings was in 2012-2013 where he scored 4 goals and 10 points whereas Dats scored 3 goals 9 points. Both played exactly 14 games.

So lol.

Can't believe I just had to defend Dan Cleary. He might have been a washed up player for the last 3 or 4 years who no longer belonged in the line up, but the guy was no bust. He made a career here when the Red Wings gave him a chance. And he won a Stanley cup in the process.

Not many people in the league can say that about themselves. And not many teams can say that about other players they give opportunities to. Usually when a team gives a chance to a player whose career is falling apart or declining, they end up being a bust. Not Dan Cleary though. That guy ended up winning a Stanley cup, recovering his falling career and went onto play 10 more seasons with a successful franchise.

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Whoever thinks Cleary was a bust probably has zero clue what "bust" means. And is likely equating typical "I hate Dan Cleary" narrative with the concept of being a "bust".

Aside from winning a Stanley cup with us he also scored the OT game winner against Anaheim in 2009. Not to mention he had two 20 goal seasons, a 26 goal season and scored more points than Datsyuk did in the playoffs at least 3 different times. Also scored more goals than Zetterberg did in 2011. So it's not even "efforts". He actually produced better than our star players did at times. And not just one time. Multiple times.

His last playoffs with the Red Wings was in 2012-2013 where he scored 4 goals and 10 points whereas Dats scored 3 goals 9 points. Both played exactly 14 games.

So lol.

Can't believe I just had to defend Dan Cleary. He might have been a washed up player for the last 3 or 4 years who no longer belonged in the line up, but the guy was no bust. He made a career here when the Red Wings gave him a chance. And he won a Stanley cup in the process.

Not many people in the league can say that about themselves. And not many teams can say that about other players they give opportunities to. Usually when a team gives a chance to a player whose career is falling apart or declining, they end up being a bust. Not Dan Cleary though. That guy ended up winning a Stanley cup, recovering his falling career and went onto play 10 more seasons with a successful franchise.

Totally agree. Walked on in 2005 and busted his ass from then on out. His stay here was a few seasons too long, but Cleary belongs nowhere near this list.

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Anyone having Joseph on the list LOL. And Conklin did pretty well in Detroit as Osgood's backup in '09. Some forget that Osgood had a very up and down regular season probly because once the playoffs started he "flipped the switch" and had a Smythe worthy run. Conklin saved the team during the regulars.

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Vili Saarijarvi would be my pick for current prospect that never lives up to the hype...

You're usually pretty wrong about the guys that you fanboy so I'm excited to see Sarijaarvi become a stud

Imagine writing off someone's career while they're still in Junior hockey excelling..

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You're usually pretty wrong about the guys that you fanboy so I'm excited to see Sarijaarvi become a stud

When over half the people on this board wanted us to trade Larkin for Myers a year and a half ago, he is the one who was telling everyone that Larkin was the real deal.

I am guessing that you are making this statement based on Jurco, who was mismanaged as he was rushed to the roster.

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Jurco, Smith didn't want Larkin to play in the NHL last season, always going off about Sproul. Pretty much every big underachiever this team has

I'm just saying writing off Sarijaarvi at his age when he has done well thus far in his career is ridiculous

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First of all, I never said I'm "writing off Saarijarvi". I was simply replying to GMR's post "name a current highly thought of prospect that will be on this list in 20 years"... Based on that, Saarijarvi would be my pick. I think Saarijarvi is much more likely to become a bust than Svechnikov, which was another player mentioned. If you think Saarijarvi is going to become a stud, good for you, but was there really any need in the insults?

I wasn't "wrong" about Smith, I've always said he will become a legit top 4, puck moving defenseman, which is exactly what he is. The jury is still out on Jurco and Sproul, but both are just 23 years old, and still likely to become impact NHL players. I still think Jurco will be a legit middle 6 skilled winger, and Sproul will be a legit top 4 defenseman, much like Smith. Whether that's with Detroit or another team is yet to be determined... As for Larkin, I did want to him to start in Grand Rapids, but what exactly was I "wrong" about? I knew he was going to be a stud. Do you actually think that ripping up the American League for a year would have stunted his development? Larkin is a special player, and if he started in Grand Rapids, it would have been no time before he got a call-up anyway...

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Smith still isn't a top 4 defenseman. He still mostly played the bottom pair and at times was scratched. He's still one of the lower ones when it comes to ice time.

He is however a puck moving D-man like you said.

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C'mon kickazz, you can't be all about analytics the way you are and then say that Smith isn't a top 4 defenseman. Every advanced stat says he is a borderline elite defenseman, but because of the way he's used in Detroit, he's a bottom pair guy? If that's the case, throw out the analytics on Miller and Glendening too then. They're middle 6 forwards using the logic that the minutes they play dictate what type of players they are...

By the way, I'm not saying I think Smith is borderline elite, like his advanced stats suggest, or that he's a top pair defenseman, but he absolutely is a top 4 guy on just about any team in the league...

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No lol that's not what I mean. I'm not judging what he is, I'm just saying what his role in Detroit is or how the coach uses him. Him and Marchenko are usually bottom 2 and on occasion middle pair but also on occasion a healthy scratch.

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Okay, fair enough, but that doesn't change the fact that Smith is and should be used as a top 4 defenseman.

Jurco is also a frequent healthy scratch, but would likely be a staple on any other team's third line or even second line for some teams.

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