HoweFan 74 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 I see on Yahoo Sports he signed a six year deal for 2 million per. Seems a little cheap for a 24 year old who is probably trending upwards, to tie himself into a deal for that long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 I would agree mainly because he hasn't even entered his prime yet. His production could go up in the next couple years and be underpaid. Right now, he is paid right about where he should be for a 3rd line player who gets about 13 minutes of ice time per game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) I would agree mainly because he hasn't even entered his prime yet. His production could go up in the next couple years and be underpaid. Right now, he is paid right about where he should be for a 3rd line player who gets about 13 minutes of ice time per game. Are we sure a 3rd line player who is trending up is only worth $2M? Hmmmm.....maybe you have to be trending down to get more. Edited July 27, 2016 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 Someone would have to convince me why Helm is worth 2X what Jarnkrok is getting. Maybe the value in the deal is term....which is very valuable to players...very few are going to have long careers in the league....getting a 6 year guaranteed contract is pretty valuable for most. 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/calle-janrkrok-inks-six-year-extension-nashville/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Someone would have to convince me why Helm is worth 2X what Jarnkrok is getting. Maybe the value in the deal is term....which is very valuable to players...very few are going to have long careers in the league....getting a 6 year guaranteed contract is pretty valuable for most. Krsmith you available? Because I think we ALL need to know how Helm is worth more than this...outside of Holland just, once again, way over paying his mediocre players...as usual.There has to be something analytics to prove that Helm is way more valuable than Jarnkrok. Edited July 27, 2016 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 Helm is definitely not way better than Jarnkrok. This is more so a great deal by Poile than the Helm contract being a terrible deal by Holland... Jarnkrok took a major discount on salary to get longer term. I think he could have and probably should have either gotten a higher salary or taken a much shorter term. For every steal out there, I can point out a player of the other extreme... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 David Poile is a beast. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 Wow 2 mill for 6 years ... Wish holland could pull some s*** like that right now with athanasiou/mantha Great deal by poile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 Basically screwed over a young kid 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 Holland can pull s*** like that, but he needs balls. "You wanna be a Wing? Here's what your value is." But instead he overpays and over extends mediocre players and over values them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 Now THIS is a good contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 I dont follow Jarnkrok much, but if he was willing to sign this deal maybe there is a reason. If he and his people believed that he had Darren Helm upside, I'm not sure he would have signed for 6 years at 2mil per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 27, 2016 I don't understand why Jarnkrok agreed to that deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 Someone would have to convince me why Helm is worth 2X what Jarnkrok is getting. Maybe the value in the deal is term....which is very valuable to players...very few are going to have long careers in the league....getting a 6 year guaranteed contract is pretty valuable for most. Thats what happens when you have to sign a vet vs a young kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I guess the question is... How good is Calle Jarnkrok? 57 points and a +10 in 167 regular season games. 3 points and a -7 in 20 playoff games. 24 years old Center and is 5'11" 186 lbs. In my opinion he's one of those players who doesn't excel at any one thing. Combine that with the fact that he's undersized and he will struggle to find a true role on his team. Good depth player who can add some offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I guess Holland isn't the only one who signs bottom six players to long term contracts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Well his first two years we're okay but last year he turned it up and did much better with 16 goals and 30 points. If he continues to get better then the contract will look like a steal. 30 points could be 40 or so a year 2-3 years from now. But it's certainly a low risk and could be a high reward contract for them. At age 24 he's getting towards his prime. If he was 30 and given a 6 year contract. Well. That's not so nice. Kind of reminds me of when Z was signed for like $2.5 million a year for 4 years and was tearing it up 2nd year into his contract around 25 or 26 years old. At the time Z was a third liner eventually promoted to 2nd line. Jankrok aint Z but who knows. Any sort of increase in production will make the contract look good. Alternatively if he reverts to scoring only 7 goals it will look s***ty. Edited July 28, 2016 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I guess Holland isn't the only one who signs bottom six players to long term contractsHolland would have given him an extra year and about $1.5 mil more a season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I disagree. Holland would have given him half the term and quite possibly even less salary. I bet if he were still a Wing with the same role and production, he would have received a 2-3 year, $1.75-2M AAV. Holland has always been good at extending his RFA's to bridge deals, it's the UFA's that I get worried about... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 Well his first two years we're okay but last year he turned it up and did much better with 16 goals and 30 points. If he continues to get better then the contract will look like a steal. 30 points could be 40 or so a year 2-3 years from now. But it's certainly a low risk and could be a high reward contract for them. At age 24 he's getting towards his prime. If he was 30 and given a 6 year contract. Well. That's not so nice. Kind of reminds me of when Z was signed for like $2.5 million a year for 4 years and was tearing it up 2nd year into his contract around 25 or 26 years old. At the time Z was a third liner eventually promoted to 2nd line. Jankrok aint Z but who knows. Any sort of increase in production will make the contract look good. Alternatively if he reverts to scoring only 7 goals it will look s***ty. Only reason he had an increase in points last year was because he got top 6 minutes before Johansen came in, and some injuries. He won't break 30 points again if he's a 3rd line minutes. I remember people on here freaking out when Holland traded him saying he was our future top line center lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I remember people on here freaking out when Holland traded him saying he was our future top line center lol. Yeah I remember that lol. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I guess that's part of the reason not to be too worried about Sproul and Jensen. I hate losing kids for free, but if they were going to be something, they'd either already be here or had significant time up here. I know I like to pretend I know s***, I know some, but if I really knew, I wouldn't be stuck in my crappy job the last 26 years, I'd be working for a team. But anyway, my point is, I do trust the kid development and trust that they know whether or not someone has nhl potential. We really don't miss any kid he's traded or lost to waivers. I just hate some of the contracts he gives to his UFA'S. I hope he has a d trade in the works, but if not were just going to have to hold on tight. DD - Smith Kronwall - Green E - Marchenko XO Just go for it. Yes I put Smith on top, it's his ufa year, time to prove your worth. I personally rather have E sit and XO play, but I know better... Oops, sorry, guess tgat should've been in the other thread. I was referring to trading Jarnkrok and got off on a tangent for a moment... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Internet.Unknown 422 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 I guess that's part of the reason not to be too worried about Sproul and Jensen. I hate losing kids for free, but if they were going to be something, they'd either already be here or had significant time up here. You took the red pill. Overripe is the blue pill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted July 28, 2016 You took the red pill. Overripe is the blue pill. 3 FireCaptain, roboturner and Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites