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5 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I wont disagree with much of what you said.  But look at the Steph Curry situation.  Then look at the McDavid situation.  The NBA has it right.  The NHL does not.

You don't understand how it works.

In the NHL, players are guaranteed a fixed percentage of revenue. Doesn't matter what any individual is payed. If McDavid signed a contract for $15M, or a contract for $1M, it wouldn't change the total amount payed to players by even a single penny. That's why the NHL has escrow; to make sure the players are paid exactly 50% of hockey-related revenue...not a penny more and not a penny less. If the contracts add up to more than that, the players lose some of the escrow. If it adds up to less, the owners pay players a bonus. 

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I was thinking about the McDavid contract, all this contract does is lead to another lockout. I can't believe the Oilers agreed to it. Contracts for young stars are now going to skyrocket! Just watch, the next CBA, the owners are going to lockout the players so they can have a cap on RFA's.

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1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

And how do u get revenue to go up?  You are not grasping the increasing revenue/profit concept.

It seems to me, in this post and other previous ones, you've conflated revenue with the owners' profits. Revenue is the total amount collected before salaries and other expenses are subtracted. Revenue isn't effected by salaries. It's the full pie before the CBA dictates how it is cut up.

You get revenue to go up by selling more tickets, making more lucrative TV deals, merchandise, successful expansion, etc. And, If those things happen, profits go up for both players and owners since the pie is bigger.

If you wanted Owner's profits to go up by lowering salaries, you'd have to renegotiate the CBA so that they keep a larger portion of the pie. As it stands, McDavid eating a big piece or not doesn't effect profits because they have to hand over a set percentage of the overused metaphor anyway.  

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2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Exactly!  So the NHLPA has ZERO to do with all of that, lile you're saying.  The NHLPA is in charge of maximizing value for the players.  Which is what I said originally.

It's clear you don't understand this at all and have no idea what you're talking about. lol

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What is this blabbery? The first rule of commerce always apply in compensation and it pertains to supply and demand:

"Everything is worth what a purchaser is willing to pay for it."

I was about to insert a rant or some biblical allegory here but I trust your mediocre judgement to think the matter through.

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McDavid taking $750k less a year has zero implication on the cap, which means it has zero implication on future earning power of other players.  The NHL finding a way to become more than a niche sport and increasing revenue has an impact on the cap, therefore how much potential earning power players have.

comparing the NHL to any other sport is an apples and oranges comparison.  The NBA, MLB, and NFL all bring in more revenue.  The NBA has smaller rosters and difference cap rules enabling the players to make ridiculous salaries even compared to the other sports, making an NHL to NBA comparison more like apples to boulders.

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2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Precisely.  And while McDavid's move helps his team out short term, it holds the players back long term.  Hard salary caps hurt the players.  It's the job of the Players Association to avoid hard salary caps.  It's the job of the PA to increase hard salary caps.  There is a pie.  A few people on here think that pies only come in one size (little caesars fault, maybe!), but they are wrong.  Half of a large pie is bigger than half of a small pie.  The league's best player taking a discount does not help the half of the pie get bigger.  It just assigns some of the current half to someone else.  

You're ignoring the opposite side of that; McDavid getting a bigger contract does nothing to help increase revenue, or raise the cap, or remove the cap.

The league's best player taking a maximum contract does not help the half of the pie get bigger. It just assigns some of the current half to someone else.

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3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

That isnt the NHLPA's or McDavid's job.  You are not keeping up with the convo.

Is it in his best interest to make every dime he can when he'll make enough in one year to live the rest of his live in relative comfort, or to help his team win a Cup?  How many all time greats are knocked down because they "never won?"

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4 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

That isnt the NHLPA's or McDavid's job.  You are not keeping up with the convo.

8 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

...McDavid's move helps his team out short term, it holds the players back long term.  Hard salary caps hurt the players.  It's the job of the Players Association to avoid hard salary caps.  It's the job of the PA to increase hard salary caps. ...

One of us isn't keeping up, that's for sure.

 

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You have been visited by the golden god of hockey:

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>first 150 pt season in like 300 years since mario something

>accomplished this in the parity cap era

>1 goal away from tying Ovi's - the greatest goal scorer to ever live - single season goal record

>the west is wide open with many west teams dealing with major injuries

>Holland has loaded the oilers up

>the east conf champs will be too battered and bruised from the thunderdome east to defeat McD in the cup finals

Why are you not on your hands and knees kissing this guys skates??? Why are you not thanking him for saving hockey?? You are blessed just to be looking at a digital image of him on a AOL era sports forum...

Comment: "Good luck in the playoffs Connorino" or be cursed with bad seasons for eternity

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50 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

You have been visited by the golden god of hockey:

3895074.png&w=350&h=254

>first 150 pt season in like 300 years since mario something

>accomplished this in the parity cap era

>1 goal away from tying Ovi's - the greatest goal scorer to ever live - single season goal record

>the west is wide open with many west teams dealing with major injuries

>Holland has loaded the oilers up

>the east conf champs will be too battered and bruised from the thunderdome east to defeat McD in the cup finals

Why are you not on your hands and knees kissing this guys skates??? Why are you not thanking him for saving hockey?? You are blessed just to be looking at a digital image of him on a AOL era sports forum...

Comment: "Good luck in the playoffs Connorino" or be cursed with bad seasons for eternity

I'm not counting this cat out as retiring the league's all time scorer.  10 years of 125 per year gets him to 2100 pts at age 36.  10 more years at 80 pts a season gets him to 2900.  McDavid is the Lemieux of hockey right now.  If he can rip it up for the next 10 years at 150 pts per, there is zero chance he doesnt blow by Gretzky before he retires.

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9 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I'm not counting this cat out as retiring the league's all time scorer.  10 years of 125 per year gets him to 2100 pts at age 36.  10 more years at 80 pts a season gets him to 2900.  McDavid is the Lemieux of hockey right now.  If he can rip it up for the next 10 years at 150 pts per, there is zero chance he doesnt blow by Gretzky before he retires.

Wayyyy more talented than Wayne. We should unretire 99 at this point. 

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16 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

1400 pts in 7 years!  Favorite quote when he retired - a teammate asked him to go one more year.  Wayne "I scored 9 goals last year.  That used to be a good weekend."

Based AF.

"Gretzky had it. Lost it. Yzerman picks it up..."

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