cdjen 21 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Anyone knows how many goals were scored against by our own defencemen. It seems it happens too often ... Kronwall must have more goals scored than our leader. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Bad bounces happen to even the top players and goalies in the league. Not much you can do except play on... 2 kickazz and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Idk ask this guy 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 HAHAHAHA 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 We definitely have issues, but this isn't one that I think of as a problem. 2 krsmith17 and UpstateNYRedWingsFan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, kliq said: We definitely have issues, but this isn't one that I think of as a problem. Nah. s*** happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdjen 21 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Bad bounces happen to even the top players and goalies in the league. Not much you can do except play on... My point is OUR DEFENCEMEN are the culprit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, cdjen said: My point is OUR DEFENCEMEN are the culprit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What's the solution Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, cdjen said: My point is OUR DEFENCEMEN are the culprit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Are you saying that our D are an issue? Or are you saying are D score on their own net two much? Those are two different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cdjen 21 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Are you saying that our D are an issue? Or are you saying are D score on their own net two much? Those are two different things. Stop splitting hair! It's one problem... the issue is that our defencemen have scored too many goals in our nets!!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) 48 minutes ago, kickazz said: What's the solution We play without defensemen! BRILLIANT! But really yeah, it has felt like a lot of goals are scored against us because of bad bounces off our own guys but it's not like it's intentional.. it's part of the game. and you don't want to just let the other team shoot through an open lane every time. I'd be willing to bet we block more shots than we tip in. Edited December 2, 2016 by amato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 29 minutes ago, cdjen said: Stop splitting hair! It's one problem... the issue is that our defencemen have scored too many goals in our nets!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm really not trying to "split hair", I'm trying to understand your point. Are you talking deflections? Are you talking carelessness (ie. Qunicey the other night) You are not being specific at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorCityMadness 388 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 A small part of it seems that they are unwilling to face a shot straight on to block it and to a degree this causes the puck to deflect towards the net because they are turning their shoulders and chest prior to attempting to block the shot. Kinda frustrating as some of them are as soft as melted butter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 2 hours ago, MotorCityMadness said: A small part of it seems that they are unwilling to face a shot straight on to block it and to a degree this causes the puck to deflect towards the net because they are turning their shoulders and chest prior to attempting to block the shot. Kinda frustrating as some of them are as soft as melted butter. It's shameful. Cowardly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 A big reason why Kronwall seems to be a major culprit is he plays so damn passive. He would rather back his butt all the way into his own goaltender than challenge a puck carrier or shooter. I joke that he is the best net front presence on the team since Holmstrom but I only do that so to cover my disappointment in him. 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 10 hours ago, kickazz said: What's the solution Bring back Brad Stuart. 2 kickazz and chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 4 hours ago, DatsyukianDekes said: Bring back Brad Stuart. But......but his wife only wants to be in California where there's plam trees, beaches and good tacos. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 13 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: But......but his wife only wants to be in California where there's plam trees, beaches and good tacos. Can you blame her? Tacos are amazing. 2 amato and GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 I think it's hilarious that Brad played only 2 seasons for SJ and then had to take a hike and go to Colorado. I know it was for his daughter, but I am a bitter man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BinMucker94 302 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 I think the real issue is how passive the team is defensively. Everyone just crowds the slot and tries to block shots and passing lanes. Opponents have free ice around the outside and just rip shots and passes into the slot at will. With all the bodies in front it's way more likely to have pucks deflected into the net. 2 Dabura and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) On 12/2/2016 at 4:08 AM, GoalieManPat said: A big reason why Kronwall seems to be a major culprit is he plays so damn passive. He would rather back his butt all the way into his own goaltender than challenge a puck carrier or shooter. I joke that he is the best net front presence on the team since Holmstrom but I only do that so to cover my disappointment in him. In fairness to Kronwall, this team's d-zone strategy is basically "Collapse around the hash marks, front shots, pray." EDIT: Ah, didn't see BinMucker's post. Great minds... Edited December 3, 2016 by Dabura 1 BinMucker94 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Dabura said: In fairness to Kronwall, this team's d-zone strategy is basically "Collapse around the hash marks, front shots, pray." EDIT: Ah, didn't see BinMucker's post. Great minds... That's been the strategy for a long time. They don't block shots and don't clear the crease. In other words, they let the guy from the point tee off on the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Just now, GMRwings1983 said: That's been the strategy for a long time. They don't block shots and don't clear the crease. In other words, they let the guy from the point tee off on the net. It's definitely been a thing for at least the past three years. And, actually, as Mickey noted in one of the recent broadcasts, most teams are now coached to play some form of "box-out" defense, where you try to push the other team out to the perimeter and force them to settle for low-percentage shot attempts, usually from the point. The Wings, of course, take it to a ridiculous extreme and treat every d-zone situation like it's a desperate PK scenario. And this, I feel, is a big reason why our transition game is often nonexistent -- and why, in turn, we have such trouble generating offense and scoring goals. Like, collapsing down low and in tight makes some sense if you're only thinking about defending the net at all costs and swatting the puck out of the zone as soon as it touches your stick blade -- but what happens when you regain possession and you want to move up the ice with possession and force the other team back into their end? By collapsing and boxing out, you're kind of shooting your breakout/transition in the foot straightaway. You're deep in your zone. You've pushed at least two opposing players out to the perimeter, so they're in position to impede your progress when you try to break out and move through neutral ice. Your players are too close together, and they're probably tired (treating every d-zone situation like it's a PK), and they're probably all flat-footed. And this is the only team in the league that can't be counted on to complete simple tape-to-tape passes on a consistent basis. Ugh! The self-defeating "safeness" of it all! /rant 1 BinMucker94 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
