Keep Your Stick On the Ice 67 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, kliq said: I agree he likely could not be flipped for a 1st right now. Though I do think he could get us a first come trade deadline based on what the market has shown the last couple years. Fair enough. 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 Well sekera is gone now for edmonton 6-9 months if holland was smart he'd try and fetch us their 1st rounder in a deal , we're not gonna win or lose with green and he's gonna walk at seasons end, might as well get a 1st and play Jensen,ouellet,sproul on the flip side green on a ppl with mcdavid draisaitl etc... Would look good, think if we called Edmonton now with sekera out they'd be interested (probably would have to protect green first until after the expansion draft is over, don't know oilers defense situation for the draft) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 Trade him for a pick in next year's draft. A GM on the hot seat who knows he might not be around for the 18 draft might bite. Plus trading Green likely leads to a higher pick for the Wings. For the record, I don't particularly like seeing the Wings lose, but I know that one or two really bad seasons could bring another Cup in a few years if they draft the right players. If they can get a legit #1 C or D this year, and get another next year, and assuming their current group of young players turn out mostly good, that's all they need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Andy Pred 48 said: Maybe Kenny trades for Trouba and picks up Shattenkirk as a UFA , then all of a sudden we look a different team. That would be amazing! We'd really have to lose some cap though to get those guys. I'm in, it would involve trading, let's say, Howard and Nyquist plus more for Trouba. Trading a pick to Vegas so they take Ericsson off our hands, Then still having about $6M+ available to sign Shatty. Also having already re-signed Tatar and AA. Tie that together with drafting Tippett and (somehow) Hague, that would be the perfect off season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 i doubt Kenny could pull it off, but with some juggling and creativity it isn't an impossible scenario. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 Shattenkirk has stated he wants a bigger role and im sure we could offer him that. Trouba could be the hometown boy coming home, this would give us great depth along the blueline and provide that R/L combo on all three D pairings. Biggest problem is losing some big $ on the backend. I always thought a Howard Helm Sproul/Ouellet and a 2nd for Trouba and Copp. If Kenny got both of the above and then look at moving Green. If we managed to get one of the above D then i would keep Green for his final year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said: Maybe Kenny trades for Trouba and picks up Shattenkirk as a UFA , then all of a sudden we look a different team. I like this idea, but even more, I like the idea of getting more dependable puck handling defensemen on our blueline. Watching the Sens play and seeing their forwards pass it back to Karlsson, Wideman, Phaneuf with confidence and blast it back into the zone or on goal made me wish we still played like that. This is one of the reasons why the Wings were so successful in the 07, 08, 09 stretch. Lidstrom, Rafalski, Schneider were great at keeping the puck in the zone and forwards had confidence in them to handle the puck. Shattenkirk and Trouba would be good pieces to pick up to play that way again, but honestly, for me, it doesn't have to be those guys, just those types. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 Shattenkirk will want too much money and term and is too old. The goal should be to be a contender in 3 years, not just because playoff team now.Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk 2 nyqvististhefuture and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 Now 28 is too old. Shatty would be worth it, not only to make our team better, but to also mentor to younger players as he gets older. 3 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said: Shattenkirk has stated he wants a bigger role and im sure we could offer him that. Trouba could be the hometown boy coming home, this would give us great depth along the blueline and provide that R/L combo on all three D pairings. Biggest problem is losing some big $ on the backend. I always thought a Howard Helm Sproul/Ouellet and a 2nd for Trouba and Copp. If Kenny got both of the above and then look at moving Green. If we managed to get one of the above D then i would keep Green for his final year. Be careful, some folks here will tell it'll take Mantha, Larkin and AA to get Trouba. While I think it'll take a bit more talent to get him, I feel you are on the right track. Howard, Nyquist, Ouellet for Trouba. I'd keep the 2nd and leave the extra player there. But whichever works. If we added Shatty and Trouba and drafted correctly this season, and dealt away useless players, we would be contenders in 3, serious in less than the 7 years of Shatty's contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 16, 2017 Shattenkirk is overrated and will be over paid , no thanks .. Besides from articles from the past few months it's known he wants to go to New York or Boston as for trouba I'd love for him to be a redwing but since adding trouba won't help lead us to a cup the next few years I'd much rather play the smart and patient game and wait 3 years for him to come home for free and not pay the high price adding trouba when mantha AA and Larkin will have 3-4 yrs experience will make us even better wont happen but trading green for a first and adding 2 defensemen in the first round will only help, we can even trade a 3rd + for dehaan to help offset the green loss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 Now 28 is too old. Shatty would be worth it, not only to make our team better, but to also mentor to younger players as he gets older. Be careful, some folks here will tell it'll take Mantha, Larkin and AA to get Trouba. While I think it'll take a bit more talent to get him, I feel you are on the right track. Howard, Nyquist, Ouellet for Trouba. I'd keep the 2nd and leave the extra player there. But whichever works. If we added Shatty and Trouba and drafted correctly this season, and dealt away useless players, we would be contenders in 3, serious in less than the 7 years of Shatty's contract.Yes, for a rebuilding team 28 is too oldSent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 There are no 1 year fixes for this team. It is going to take 2-3 more off seasons of smart moves and developing our young talent to be a good/great team again. The UFA market is juts about dead, the draft takes time, and trades cost you pieces that you want to keep. There is no way the Jets would move Trouba for a package that doesn't include 1 of our top young guys. IMHO we need to move out salary, add picks, draft wisely, and let the youth develop. If we can overachive and find 2-3 NHL claiber players each of the next 2-3 drafts to go with what we have we will be fine. Yes it is going to be the 2020 season before it all plays out, but that is reality. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 19 hours ago, DickieDunn said: Shattenkirk will want too much money and term and is too old. The goal should be to be a contender in 3 years, not just because playoff team now. Also: he's not a proven top-pairing defenseman, he's more of a bottom-four power play specialist. A good defenseman, yes, but the contract he gets is very likely going to be a big overpayment (unless he takes a discount to sign with the Rangers). 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 18 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Be careful, some folks here will tell it'll take Mantha, Larkin and AA to get Trouba. While I think it'll take a bit more talent to get him, I feel you are on the right track. Howard, Nyquist, Ouellet for Trouba. Imagine you're Kevin Cheveldayoff. Ken Holland offers you Jimmy Howard, Gustav Nyquist, and Xavier Ouellet for Jacob Trouba. Do you A) pull the trigger, or B) say, "I know what you're trying to do and I don't like it," and hang up the phone? 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Dabura said: Imagine you're Kevin Cheveldayoff. Ken Holland offers you Jimmy Howard, Gustav Nyquist, and Xavier Ouellet for Jacob Trouba. Do you A) pull the trigger, or B) say, "I know what you're trying to do and I don't like it," and hang up the phone? It would be closer with Nyquist than Helm, which is what I was replying to. I'd send them Svech if needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: It would be closer with Nyquist than Helm, which is what I was replying to. I'd send them Svech if needed. Ugh ...no svechnikov shouldnt be touched, trouba price would likely be really high and were not winning the cup in 3 yrs , wait till trouba signs with us as a ufa and keep mantha svechnikov Larkin AA as top 6 building blocks in the meantime we got to draft great this year and hope kids like cholowski and hronek turn out to be players and we should try and get a brodin type guy , someone who might be lost due to expansion , and also target teams like the ducks,flyers,canes with tons of good young d ducks - montour ,Theodore,carlsson(I'd pass on vatanen) flyers - maybe with the kids coming and gostisbere really struggling last year we can have him at a reasonable price , he'd be our ppl specialist point is we should target a few d prospects off some teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 Trouba is an RFA when his contract is up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Trouba is an RFA when his contract is up. So he'll sign a 2 yr deal and then walk .... Jets cant force him to sign longterm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 Ugh ...no svechnikov shouldnt be touched, trouba price would likely be really high and were not winning the cup in 3 yrs , wait till trouba signs with us as a ufa and keep mantha svechnikov Larkin AA as top 6 building blocks in the meantime we got to draft great this year and hope kids like cholowski and hronek turn out to be players and we should try and get a brodin type guy , someone who might be lost due to expansion , and also target teams like the ducks,flyers,canes with tons of good young d ducks - montour ,Theodore,carlsson(I'd pass on vatanen) flyers - maybe with the kids coming and gostisbere really struggling last year we can have him at a reasonable price , he'd be our ppl specialist point is we should target a few d prospects off some teams What makes Svechnikov untouchable? He MIGHT score 30+ goals a year for a 4 or 5 year stretch. He's more likely a 25G 55 pt player, and might top out as a 15-20 goal 3rd liner. You trade that for a young D like Trouba every time.Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 51 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: What makes Svechnikov untouchable? He MIGHT score 30+ goals a year for a 4 or 5 year stretch. He's more likely a 25G 55 pt player, and might top out as a 15-20 goal 3rd liner. You trade that for a young D like Trouba every time. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk You can say anyone is who's not a top 3 pick is likely to score 20-25 goals 50-55pts, especially the way the game Is played now a guy getting 30 goals a yr is valuable and svechnikov is very capable of it yes every prospect isn't a hit but you better be damn sure you know what your doing before you pull the trigger ... Go ask Washington if they'd give up forsberg for erat again if they could we don't have anyone with svechnikov's size and skill coming in the pipeline , again I just dont think we're gonna do any damage with or without trouba for a few years so I'm willing to wait to add him as a ufa along with svechnikov etc.. that'll only make us a stronger team when the time comes 1 BinMucker94 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 17, 2017 You can say anyone is who's not a top 3 pick is likely to score 20-25 goals 50-55pts, especially the way the game Is played now a guy getting 30 goals a yr is valuable and svechnikov is very capable of it yes every prospect isn't a hit but you better be damn sure you know what your doing before you pull the trigger ... Go ask Washington if they'd give up forsberg for erat again if they could we don't have anyone with svechnikov's size and skill coming in the pipeline , again I just dont think we're gonna do any damage with or without trouba for a few years so I'm willing to wait to add him as a ufa along with svechnikov etc.. that'll only make us a stronger team when the time comes 1) you assume Trouba would sign here as a ufa2) a top pair D is far more valuable and harder to find than a second line winger3) the following is a partial list of players I was told were untouchable at some point by fans: Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, Sproul, XO, Howard, Mrazek, AA, Frk, Pulkinnen, Tatar, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Larkin, Mantha, Sheahan, and now Svechnikov. See a pattern? 4) a smart person takes something they have a surplus of, wingers in this case, and uses that to get what they need, high end C and D for the WingsSent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, DickieDunn said: 1) you assume Trouba would sign here as a ufa 2) a top pair D is far more valuable and harder to find than a second line winger 3) the following is a partial list of players I was told were untouchable at some point by fans: Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, Sproul, XO, Howard, Mrazek, AA, Frk, Pulkinnen, Tatar, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Larkin, Mantha, Sheahan, and now Svechnikov. See a pattern? 4) a smart person takes something they have a surplus of, wingers in this case, and uses that to get what they need, high end C and D for the Wings Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk Its been reported numerous times that trouba wanted to come back home , we help build this team and make him wanted when he's a ufa and he will come You assume svechnikov is a 2nd line winger , nobody knows yet if he can be a top line guy or not but he's got the talent List means nothing , every player on every team at one point fans will say to trade or not trade a guy ....I'm sure if this site was around back in the day some fans would of been for trading Stevie y for yashin, every player is available for the right price anyways , like I previously said though I think since we're going nowhere the smart move is to sign trouba as a ufa and keep those 4 players mentioned ,anyways just my opinion A smart person would acknowledge this team needs to get younger and keep svechnikov AA Larkin mantha an use a tatar/nyquist instead for such a trade like I said outside of svechnikov we have no high end prospects coming up that can play top 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 18, 2017 Reported numerous times doesn't mean it's true, or that he'd sign here even if ita is. There are other factors.Smith has top 6 upside. Larkin, AA, and Mantha are young. Tatar and Nyquist are mid 20s. Plus there's this year's draft. They can afford to move a winger. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted May 18, 2017 11 hours ago, Dabura said: Also: he's not a proven top-pairing defenseman, he's more of a bottom-four power play specialist. A good defenseman, yes, but the contract he gets is very likely going to be a big overpayment (unless he takes a discount to sign with the Rangers). Neither is Trouba but that doesn't stop people for getting all gushy for him. Jacob Trouba has never, ever, ever, ever, played as a top defenseman in the NHL. So if that's the standard we're holding against Shattenkirk then we'd all better be sure to apply it to whomever else is the pet of the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nowhere2005 13 Report post Posted May 18, 2017 I honestly didn't see much from Shattenkirk that would make me want to even pursue him as a FA. The team needs a top pairing D, and Shattenkirk doesn't fill that need.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites