kliq 3,755 Report post Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Nielsen is a very good 2nd line center, nobody should be criticizing him for playing the way he is playing. FIrst line centers get about 8+ mil per year, he gets 5.25 which fits right line in for a second line center. With that being said, he is not an all star caliber player. Its not his fault that we dont have elite players around him right now. Edited January 12, 2017 by kliq 2 DatsyukianDekes and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Number19 said: Players more deserving.. Z, Mantha, Vanek, Green, Howard. I haven't really watched the AS game since the 05 lockout. It's not exciting if the best players aren't playing. Ridiculous! I'm very happy for Frans. He is definitely worthy and deserving. A lot of bitter people on here. Edited January 11, 2017 by Hockeymom1960 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted January 11, 2017 Nielsen isn't a horrible player but he's nowhere near an NHL all star , and we'll be regretting that long ass contract he got in a few years won't happen but we should try moving him and keep vanek as he's surprisingly turned out to be a great fit and we can't keep both Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 11, 2017 1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Nielsen isn't a horrible player but he's nowhere near an NHL all star , and we'll be regretting that long ass contract he got in a few years won't happen but we should try moving him and keep vanek as he's surprisingly turned out to be a great fit and we can't keep both No trade clause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 58 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No trade clause Even worse, no movement clause. Cant even waive him if you wanted to. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No trade clause I'm aware guesss I'm hoping we tell him we made a mistake and it would be best to part ways , why would he stick around if we don't want him all this being said I know he won't be dealt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 53 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I'm aware guesss I'm hoping we tell him we made a mistake and it would be best to part ways , why would he stick around if we don't want him all this being said I know he won't be dealt Ppl tend to forget but these guys are PEOPLE with FAMILIES. When you sign a long contract with an NMC in your 30s with a mediocre team, part of that is leaving money on the table so that you can have guarranteed stability so that you can raise your family without uprooting them possibly multiple times. IDK if you have a family or not, but if my company requested to trade me (with my family following) to a competitor in a different city (earning the same money) id tell them to pound sand. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 On 1/10/2017 at 3:20 PM, frankgrimes said: If captain serious wasn't a Blackhawk I think he would get more respect. Yes, the guy has a down year but - it pains me to say it - he is a tremendous leader and an absolute stud when it counts the most...in the playoffs. Him admitting that he doesn't deserve it this year just shows how mature this kid is. Are you seriously trying to sell the idea that playing on Chicago has hurt his public perception? Toews gets more love and media attention then anyone in the NHL not named Crosby and has been talked about for years as if he is the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NHL. If Towes didnt play for Chicago and lets say played for Carolina, at best he would be thought of as a Patrice Bergeron. More likely, he wouldn't even be talked about. Playing on Chicago with Seabrook, Keith, Kane, Hossa and company has given the illusion that he is an all time great. Very good player, but not as good as the media makes him out to be. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 More Hawks at the ASG than any other team... league hates and doesnt promote them though lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, kliq said: Are you seriously trying to sell the idea that playing on Chicago has hurt his public perception? Toews gets more love and media attention then anyone in the NHL not named Crosby and has been talked about for years as if he is the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NHL. If Towes didnt play for Chicago and lets say played for Carolina, at best he would be thought of as a Patrice Bergeron. More likely, he wouldn't even be talked about. Playing on Chicago with Seabrook, Keith, Kane, Hossa and company has given the illusion that he is an all time great. Very good player, but not as good as the media makes him out to be. NO I think because he plays for the Hawks some DRW fans do have problem admitting how good this guy really is. Yes, he is struggling but guess what if he goes into beastmode come playofftime nobody would care about his regular season. I mean I hated the Avs with passion but I just couldn't bring myself to hate Sakic, it's the same with captain serious. Guy has won at every level and is an excellent 2 way center. If some people think he isn't elite fine, I do and there aren't too many guys I'd take over him. btw. could some mods rename this as the ASG thread please? Edited January 12, 2017 by frankgrimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,789 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 Nielsen's stats being low are a reflection of our crappy defense. Fewer tape to tape passes from the defense make it harder for forwards to put up points. He's a skilled player to boot. Not a dump and chase grinder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 1 minute ago, frankgrimes said: NO I think because he plays for the Hawks some DRW fans do have problem admitting how good this guy really is. Yes, he is struggling but guess what if he goes into beastmode come playofftime nobody would care about his regular season. I mean I hated the Avs with passion but I just couldn't bring myself to hate Sakic, it's the same with captain serious. Guy has won at every level and is an excellent 2 way center. If some people think he isn't elite fine, I do and there aren't too many guys I'd take over him. You're right, the guy has won at every level. He has been lucky enough his entire career to play with great players around him. He has never had to be "the guy" at the NHL level. On his own team I would say he is the 4th most valuable player behind Kane, Seabrook, and Keith (you could even argue 5th with Panarin). At the Olympic level he's won, but again surrounded by elite level talent (Keith, Weber, Doughty, Price, Crosby etc.). I'm not saying Toews is a bad player, he is a very good 2 way center but the fact that you compare him to Sakic just proves my point of how he is the most overrated player in the NHL. Him being added to the all-star game even proves that further. He is the captain of a team that wins in a big market and makes the NHL money, as a result he is pushed to the moon as "a star", Toews has had the success he's had because he's never played on a team not surrounded by all-stars/elite talent. Like I said, put him on Carolina and he's Patrice Bergeron at best, but more likely he's a solid 60 point scorer who nobody talks about. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 Toews isn't in the same class as Sakic. That's taking the already excessive level of overratedness another notch up. 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, kliq said: You're right, the guy has won at every level. He has been lucky enough his entire career to play with great players around him. He has never had to be "the guy" at the NHL level. On his own team I would say he is the 4th most valuable player behind Kane, Seabrook, and Keith (you could even argue 5th with Panarin). At the Olympic level he's won, but again surrounded by elite level talent (Keith, Weber, Doughty, Price, Crosby etc.). I'm not saying Toews is a bad player, he is a very good 2 way center but the fact that you compare him to Sakic just proves my point of how he is the most overrated player in the NHL. Him being added to the all-star game even proves that further. He is the captain of a team that wins in a big market and makes the NHL money, as a result he is pushed to the moon as "a star", Toews has had the success he's had because he's never played on a team not surrounded by all-stars/elite talent. Like I said, put him on Carolina and he's Patrice Bergeron at best, but more likely he's a solid 60 point scorer who nobody talks about. Put him on Carolina and hes Eric Staal. Put Eric Staal on Chicago and hes Jonathan Toews. 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, frankgrimes said: NO I think because he plays for the Hawks some DRW fans do have problem admitting how good this guy really is. Yes, he is struggling but guess what if he goes into beastmode come playofftime nobody would care about his regular season. I mean I hated the Avs with passion but I just couldn't bring myself to hate Sakic, it's the same with captain serious. Guy has won at every level and is an excellent 2 way center. If some people think he isn't elite fine, I do and there aren't too many guys I'd take over him. btw. could some mods rename this as the ASG thread please? Wow lol comparing Toews to Sakic. It's people like you who overrate Toews. And it's people like us who call you out for ridiculous comparisons. 21 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Put him on Carolina and hes Eric Staal. Put Eric Staal on Chicago and hes Jonathan Toews. Exactly.. It must be real nice to have Kieth, Hossa, Kane , Sharp (previously) Panarin, Anisomov, and Crawford on your team. Edited January 12, 2017 by kickazz 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, kliq said: Toews has had the success he's had because he's never played on a team not surrounded by all-stars/elite talent. Like I said, put him on Carolina and he's Patrice Bergeron at best, but more likely he's a solid 60 point scorer who nobody talks about. Kopitar and Bergeron > Toews imo. Kopitar better offensive, Bergeron better defensive. All three 2-way players but Toews is the only overrated one. Edited January 12, 2017 by kickazz 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Toews is the next Dustin Brown. His decline is bad and it's about to get worse. People always held Brown on a pedestal and overlooked Kopitar and Carter*. Kane, Kieth, Panarin are the MVPs of that team. Toews is a good leader and faceoff man. Offense is average. Defense is elite. Edited January 12, 2017 by kickazz 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 19 hours ago, kliq said: Nielsen is a very good 2nd line center, nobody should be criticizing him for playing the way he is playing. FIrst line centers get about 8+ mil per year, he gets 5.25 which fits right line in for a second line center. With that being said, he is not an all star caliber player. Its not his fault that we dont have elite players around him right now. That's actually not at all true. There are currently only 6 out of the 30 teams in the league that pay their first line centers $8M or more, which includes Tampa and I'm not 100% sure whether Stamkos is a center or not...he's played both C and W Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 21 hours ago, kliq said: Nielsen is a very good 2nd line center, nobody should be criticizing him for playing the way he is playing. FIrst line centers get about 8+ mil per year, he gets 5.25 which fits right line in for a second line center. With that being said, he is not an all star caliber player. Its not his fault that we dont have elite players around him right now. To think some of these users bashing Nielsen are the same ones that wanted Ladd 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted January 12, 2017 4 hours ago, toby91_ca said: That's actually not at all true. There are currently only 6 out of the 30 teams in the league that pay their first line centers $8M or more, which includes Tampa and I'm not 100% sure whether Stamkos is a center or not...he's played both C and W Ok, maybe I should have said 7mil plus. Either way 5.25 is 2nd line centre money which is my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Nielsen will likely produce as much as Toews and is probably almost as good defensively and we're paying him like $5 million dollars less aren't we? Our salary cap sucks but Toews is one overpaid dude. Toews would have been a 3rd line center at best on our 2008 squad. I kinda hope Nielsen lights it up at the all star game. I'll be rooting for him. Might even watch if he gets picked to do the breakaway challenge. Edited January 13, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted January 13, 2017 For me it feels like Social Justice Warriors have entered the NHL when every team contributes to the all-star game. Clearly Nielsen has no business being picked, it's ridiculous. If anyone it should be Mantha or Athanasiou. Being fair in my mind, no one should have been picked, and not all teams should send a player. For that reason I'm not watching this so called event. For reference, I did watch anything Larkin-related in the all-star event last year, with good reason, he did very much belong and I was intrigued to see what his excitement would translate to. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 Example # whatever of Toews being overrated.....saw a clip on TSN regarding top 100 players of all time (note: remaining 67 yet to be announced at the time of me writing this). They suggested that we know there are 6 current players on the list and we assume 4 are obvious (Crosby, Ovechkin, Jagr and Toews)....who might the other 2 be? Really? I don't have a big issue with talking about him being one of the 6 current players, but not talking about him because he's so obvious one of them? Really? 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 661 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, toby91_ca said: Example # whatever of Toews being overrated.....saw a clip on TSN regarding top 100 players of all time (note: remaining 67 yet to be announced at the time of me writing this). They suggested that we know there are 6 current players on the list and we assume 4 are obvious (Crosby, Ovechkin, Jagr and Toews)....who might the other 2 be? Really? I don't have a big issue with talking about him being one of the 6 current players, but not talking about him because he's so obvious one of them? Really? I don't this Towes is over rated at all. He is THE player that makes that Chicago roster go. He's a complete player and consumate leader. He's exactly the type of player the wings need a talented Canadian with an abundance heart and leadership. Something we've not had since Stevie. 1 frankgrimes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 2 hours ago, mackel said: I don't this Towes is over rated at all. He is THE player that makes that Chicago roster go. He's a complete player and consumate leader. He's exactly the type of player the wings need a talented Canadian with an abundance heart and leadership. Something we've not had since Stevie. Well sir youve been brainwashed by the NHL media. I agree Toews is a fantastic player. Really works hard and is elite defensively. But he's no where close to Yzerman. He's no where close to the top 100. Let me ask you. How do you feel about Patrice Bergeron? Do you think he would be a top 100 player? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites