26th straight??

[Texas luvs the Wings 1]

Hello fellow Red Wings fans,

As a big hockey and Wings fan for the past 15 years, I'm curious if most of you fans think the playoff streak is important or if rebuilding to contend past the first round is more important, if that means missing a year or two of the post-season?  This is my first post on this forum  and I look forward to hearing from all of you expert hockey and die-hard Detroit fans.  LGRW!!!!

[DickieDunn 2,571]

No it's not important. Winning the Cup is important. Making it knowing you have virtually no shot at the Cup doesn't do much.

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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Making the playoffs is the literal goal of the regular season. That is our goal right now. If you want to call that keeping the streak alive ok. I am for keeping the streak alive.

The tanking community will have you believe that the only way to win another cup is to end the streak. That is not the case.

[kliq 3,755]

52 minutes ago, Texas luvs the Wings said:

Hello fellow Red Wings fans,

As a big hockey and Wings fan for the past 15 years, I'm curious if most of you fans think the playoff streak is important or if rebuilding to contend past the first round is more important, if that means missing a year or two of the post-season?  This is my first post on this forum  and I look forward to hearing from all of you expert hockey and die-hard Detroit fans.  LGRW!!!!

The streak being important or not depends on who's perspective you are looking at it through. If you look at it through Dickie's perspective, clearly he couldn't care less, if you are looking at it through Mike Ilitch's perspective, I believe its very important. If you ask the DRW marketing team, I think they would tell you it is very very important.

I agree with CRL that the tanking community will make you believe that the only way to become a contender is to end the streak, however I do not believe that to be the case. NYR, SJ, Boston etc. have show that you don't need to "scorch earth" to become a contender again.  

With that being said, if the Wings dont make it and get a top 5 pick I wont be pissed. But if they dont make it and get the 14th pick in instead of the 15th pick in a weak draft class, that would completely suck. 

[kickazz 5,459]

 

1 hour ago, Texas luvs the Wings said:

Hello fellow Red Wings fans,

As a big hockey and Wings fan for the past 15 years, I'm curious if most of you fans think the playoff streak is important or if rebuilding to contend past the first round is more important, if that means missing a year or two of the post-season?  This is my first post on this forum  and I look forward to hearing from all of you expert hockey and die-hard Detroit fans.  LGRW!!!!

Missing a year or two of the post-season won't make a difference. Not unless we got the #1 or 2 or 3 pick. And we're not getting those thanks to the Avs and Coyotes. 

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[frankgrimes 1,836]

Streak has clouded the view on where this team really is for years now, so time to end it and build towards the ultimate goal of winning the cup.

in short: longterm gain by short term pain instead of being the highest salary payroll team and still one of the worst in the league

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, kliq said:

The streak being important or not depends on who's perspective you are looking at it through. If you look at it through Dickie's perspective, clearly he couldn't care less, if you are looking at it through Mike Ilitch's perspective, I believe its very important. If you ask the DRW marketing team, I think they would tell you it is very very important.

I agree with CRL that the tanking community will make you believe that the only way to become a contender is to end the streak, however I do not believe that to be the case. NYR, SJ, Boston etc. have show that you don't need to "scorch earth" to become a contender again.  

With that being said, if the Wings dont make it and get a top 5 pick I wont be pissed. But if they dont make it and get the 14th pick in instead of the 15th pick in a weak draft class, that would completely suck. 

And Boston, SJS, and NYR deserve lots of credit for that. Retooling takes shrewd bussiness moves and a skilled front office.

Tanking on the other hand is literally saying screw it, giving up, driving to the casino, putting all your chips on black 13, and letting it ride.

Theres no skill, its all chance, and is a last resort for only the most desperate of teams.

Fortunately the Wings still have many valuable assets both young and old. And our front office hasnt committed a obviously costly blunder in a long time. Its a down year, but if we miss the playoffs we will still be in good position to restructure this team and try again.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Boston took advantage of a couple screw ups by other teams to get some key players and got lucky with Thomas turning into a stud that late in his career. The Sharks and Rags haven't won yet.

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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, DickieDunn said:

Boston took advantage of a couple screw ups by other teams

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And commited their own. Seguin being the biggest example.

[kliq 3,755]

31 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Boston took advantage of a couple screw ups by other teams to get some key players and got lucky with Thomas turning into a stud that late in his career. The Sharks and Rags haven't won yet.

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No they havent, but they have been contenders for years now, and both have been to the finals. You can't dismiss their approach simply because they didnt win the cup. The point is that tanking isnt the only way.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Is the goal to make the finals or win?

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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Is the goal to make the finals or win?

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So if we go on an ottawa streak and make the playoffs and lose in 7 games in the finals you would dissapointed with the season? Hypotheticaly?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

By Ottawa streak I assume you mean terrible for several years. At that point making the finals would be a big step forward. 8 or 10 years of the playoffs including trips to the finals with no Cups would not be satisfying.

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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

21 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

By Ottawa streak I assume you mean terrible for several years. At that point making the finals would be a big step forward. 8 or 10 years of the playoffs including trips to the finals with no Cups would not be satisfying.

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You did not answer my question. If we made the finals this year and lost in 7 games would you be dissapointed with the season?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

No, I misunderstood wtf "Ottawa Streak" meant. Maybe you should have been clearer.

In the extremely unlikely event that happens, I'll be too shocked to be upset. If they manage to sneak in just to get blown out, which is slightly more likely, I won't be happy.

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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

18 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

No, I misunderstood wtf "Ottawa Streak" meant. Maybe you should have been clearer.

In the extremely unlikely event that happens, I'll be too shocked to be upset. If they manage to sneak in just to get blown out, which is slightly more likely, I won't be happy.

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Too shocked to be upset. Ok. So not happy or yes happy with the season?

[kliq 3,755]

2 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

Is the goal to make the finals or win?

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So with your logic, the ONLY way to win a cup is by following the Chicago/LA model.

My original point was that if you want to build your team up to be a contender, there are multiple ways to do it. I used Boston, SJ, and the NYR as examples of teams that became contenders and stayed contenders for years by not tanking. The fact that 1 won a cup and 2 lost in the finals is irrelevant. But if you want to argue semantics, go for it.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Boston had a top 5 pick via trade and managed to trade for a Norris caliber guy. The other two lost. If Holland can get a top pick and a Norris winner in his prime through trade then it's all good. That almost never happens though.

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[kliq 3,755]

18 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Boston had a top 5 pick via trade and managed to trade for a Norris caliber guy. The other two lost. If Holland can get a top pick and a Norris winner in his prime through trade then it's all good. That almost never happens though.

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What norris caliber player did they manage to trade for? They signed Chara as a UFA. So now Seguin is the reason they won the cup, clearly you didn't watch the games. Either way you are missing the point. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

17 minutes ago, kliq said:

What norris caliber player did they manage to trade for? They signed Chara as a UFA. So now Seguin is the reason they won the cup, clearly you didn't watch the games. Either way you are missing the point. 

Hes side stepping your argument just like he did with me

[kliq 3,755]

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Hes side stepping your argument just like he did with me

You're right, it's pointless.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Side step what? So they got Chara as a free agent. They still got him. One team built a Cup winner without their own high draft picks since Detroit won their last Cup. That's an exception, not a proven way to build a winner. The Sharks are renowned choke artists, using them as an example of a winning formula is a joke. The Rags sucked for awhile too, and got some pretty good young players through aggressive trading and oh by the way have a guy named Lundquist in net, but again haven't won yet.

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[kickazz 5,459]

[kliq 3,755]

43 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Ya...point is completely lost.

44 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Side step what? So they got Chara as a free agent. They still got him. One team built a Cup winner without their own high draft picks since Detroit won their last Cup. That's an exception, not a proven way to build a winner. The Sharks are renowned choke artists, using them as an example of a winning formula is a joke. The Rags sucked for awhile too, and got some pretty good young players through aggressive trading and oh by the way have a guy named Lundquist in net, but again haven't won yet.

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You do realize that using examples like Chara and Lundqvist help my point in that you dont need to tank to be a contender.....right? 

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Your point that one team in the last how many years won a Cup without multiple high picks while the two teams that won more than one used high picks to build the teams?

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