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1/25 GDT - Red Wings vs Toronto - 7:00 PM EST

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25 minutes ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

he's rebuilding on the fly and will not blow up the roster

He already blew up the roster, but in different way, because he´s constantly closing the doors he didn´t even reach to (this is refering mostly to these no-brainer terms for Abdelkader, Helm, DeKe, Ericsson, Nielsen..not saying that everything´s that bad).

Let´s guess : What season do you expect Wings to be in conference finals? 

My guess:

optimistic: no sooner than 22/23 - Lark/Man/AA/XO, Sproul, Svech will fit top roster structures and another 4-5 emerging players (Smith, Holmstrom, Saarijarvi etc.)  will make that roster till 20/21 with top9(FW)/top4(D) production. 

realistic: 24/25 - only 1-2 of list above will be real top6 players for contending team, maybe one another (Smith, Svech?), one or two guys we can develop from current/next year drafts. 

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4 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

What Kenny is failing to realise or is just ignoring concrete facts is that he is adamant that he's rebuilding on the fly and will not blow up the roster. Well yes Kenny you can do that when you have half a dozen or so solid and top end vets to bring them thru whilst still being able to challenge for the cup. This current roster has maybe 3 at max , and that is pushing it. We don't have a Lids or Chelli or Raffa on the back end and really up front only Z is showing up regularly and he's starting on the downward path of his career. Kenny is too stubborn to admit he needs to rethink his strategy and the backroom staff seem unable or unwilling to rock his little boat. Time for some front office changes as we are getting left behind at an alarming rate by the majority of the league. 

Bingo.  Exactly.

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Flew in for the game. Atmosphere was depressing after the 3rd goal.

Time to blow this team up.

No passion. No effort. No hitting. No positional play. No backchecking. Ohhhhh wait, isn't that THAT'S THE COACHES JOB.

I used to think Dave Lewis was the worst hiring ever. Now is the time to pass that torch to Jeff Blashill. Nothing will change until he is fired AND followed out by Ken Holland. Holland has simply allowed the game to pass him by. No more building off small, weak forwards in the draft and hoping they will become physical tough players. The NHL teams are building around fast, physical MEN - not weak, passive guys who stand around after getting hit.

To only be a few points out of the playoffs and yet so far removed from ANY solid plan is depressing to watch. None of these players are worth more than the crest on that jersey. When the Maple Leafs - made up of a couple good rookies (who also seem to actually ENJOY the game when they're on the ice) and journeymen, and throwaway players - we have hit rock bottom.

OK maybe rock bottom is missing the playoffs. Well that is up next. I won't even watch Ken Holland's comments regarding this game. More of "we got a new building coming" bulls***.

Pavel knew something. This coach and the direction of this team is awful. Excuses are for losers. And we sure make alot of them.

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Damn, Toronto looked really good. Babcock and the crew are on the right path. Unless something happens with our management they will dominate us for many years to come I suspect.

To me it seemed that Toronto simply "handled" us. Great strategy and players to execute it. Surgical.

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2 minutes ago, Jacksoni said:

Damn, Toronto looked really good. Babcock and the crew are on the right path. Unless something happens with our management they will dominate us for many years to come I suspect.

To me it seemed that Toronto simply "handled" us. Great strategy and players to execute it. Surgical.

During the game they posted a graphic that showed they have 8 rookies on the team responsible for something like 170 of their team's points this year.

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2 hours ago, Jacksoni said:

Damn, Toronto looked really good. Babcock and the crew are on the right path. Unless something happens with our management they will dominate us for many years to come I suspect.

To me it seemed that Toronto simply "handled" us. Great strategy and players to execute it. Surgical.

They also loaded up on a 1st overall and have 8 top 12 picks in the last decade. Eventually they were gonna be good with or without Babcock.

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It feels like neither Mrazek, nor Big E are going anywhere, they are going to be are major tools of getting very high draft picks for upcoming years. And don't underestimate Holland's role in that endeavor.

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21 minutes ago, ami said:

It feels like neither Mrazek, nor Big E are going anywhere, they are going to be are major tools of getting very high draft picks for upcoming years. And don't underestimate Holland's role in that endeavor.

Mrazek I can see yield us something if he get his peacock feathers up by playing good and increasing his latent value but it will not be much. The goaltender market is saturated right now. Might get us a 3rd or 4th round pick. Not worth it in my opinion. Something tells me he can still bloom and be a (very) el cheapo version of Carey Price.

In regards to Errorson, If, and only if we would have traded him in November he might have yielded us something if packaged with someone like Nyquist, Tatar or the elusive Thomas Jurco. I would surmise that he has zero trade value right now. Actually it's probably lower than zero, as in hindering or lowering the value of a deal if packaged in.

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I still have hope that this game was an eye opener for ownership. A young fun to watch team loaded with up and coming stars led by Matthews versus the highest paid team in the league just going through the motions. If I were an owner I would not be happy with that and tell my son or whoever is in full charge of hockey to sell and build towards a new core.

 

Stopped counting the Leafs rookies after 5 man their future is really looking bright if they can add someone for their top pairing with Rieley they'll be dangerous for years to come.

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