ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 Habs get: Nikita Nesterov (23 yo D-man with 12 pts in 35 gp) Tampa gets: Johnathan Racine (23 yo D-man who looks like career AHLer) and 6th round pick This trade is bizarre to me. Decent young D-man traded to a divisional rival for next to nothing. I get that Tampa would have had to expose Nesterov at the expansion draft, but why give him away to a divisional rival for peanuts? Tampa fans are claiming Nesterov sucks, but I think they're just having a down season as a whole like us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 I read somewhere they had to waive a D man so they got what they could for one of them, thinking either would get claimed on waivers. Good deal for Montreal; added some depth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, amato said: I read somewhere they had to waive a D man so they got what they could for one of them, thinking either would get claimed on waivers. Good deal for Montreal; added some depth. That would make more sense, but they have a 21 man roster right now. 2 open spots. They did not have to waive him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: That would make more sense, but they have a 21 man roster right now. 2 open spots. They did not have to waive him. I didn't look too far into it but they mentioned something about not wanting to carry 8 defenseman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, amato said: I didn't look too far into it but they mentioned something about not wanting to carry 8 defenseman They currently have 6 Dmen on their roster and 14 forwards. They have about 400K in cap space, and Nesterov was a 700K+ cap hit, but they could have sent down one of their waiver exempt forwards in order to keep him and be cap compliant. IDK, I don't think this deal had to be made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 He's also an RFA at the end of the year and if they thought they wouldn't re-sign him, maybe that factored in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, amato said: He's also an RFA at the end of the year and if they thought they wouldn't re-sign him, maybe that factored in. Maybe that's it. Tampa is going to have to expose much better players than him at the expansion. So I doubt Yzerman was concerned about losing him there. Still though, I feel like Steve got fleeced in the return Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 So is Brendan Smith worth more or less than Nesterov? 4 years difference in age. RFA vs UFA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Son of a Wing said: So is Brendan Smith worth more or less than Nesterov? 4 years difference in age. RFA vs UFA Less. Nesterov still has room to grow and is already the better Dman IMO. Hes also on a small cap hit. RFAs are naturally more valuable too i think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Maybe that's it. Tampa is going to have to expose much better players than him at the expansion. So I doubt Yzerman was concerned about losing him there. Still though, I feel like Steve got fleeced in the return I don't think he's losing any sleep over it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Long term winner of the trade = Montreal Short term winner = Tampa Edited January 27, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 If I recall, Nester waited a long time to sign a 1 yr deal. He wanted more, wouldn't sign, finally signed a one year deal. Not sure whether it was through arbitration or not. He wanted more money, of course once you cross Yzerman, you're pretty much doomed. He probably would've caused the same problem next year. He was already on shaky grounds with the GM. Yzerman wasn't having it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 23 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: If I recall, Nester waited a long time to sign a 1 yr deal. He wanted more, wouldn't sign, finally signed a one year deal. Not sure whether it was through arbitration or not. He wanted more money, of course once you cross Yzerman, you're pretty much doomed. He probably would've caused the same problem next year. He was already on shaky grounds with the GM. Yzerman wasn't having it. Is there a source for any of this or was it just too tempting to keep making it up as you went along? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) I was just going on Steve's history with players that demand things from him. St . Louis and Drouin eggs. I don't make things up...if I'm wrong I will own up to my wrong, but no, not just making things up. Yzerman is that kind of gm, he learned from Scotty. You crossed Scotty, you were gone. Wish we had a gm like that, Tatar, you want out? Bye! Plus I said, "if I recall." Maybe I'm wrong about the name who held out and refused the contract offer, but that is how Yzerman rolls. Edited January 28, 2017 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I was just going on Steve's history with players that demand things from him. St . Louis and Drouin eggs. I don't make things up...if I'm wrong I will own up to my wrong, but no, not just making things up. Yzerman is that kind of gm, he learned from Scotty. You crossed Scotty, you were gone. Wish we had a gm like that, Tatar, you want out? Bye! St Louis demanded a trade and was traded, Drouin demanded a trade and was not traded. Those two situations were literally handled completely opposite of each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 If Stamkos hadn't of gotten hurt, drouin would've been dealt or at least spent a lot more time in the AHL, where he told Yzerman not to send him or he'll request a trade... St. Louis was pissed about not being selected for team Canada and called Yzerman out on it and said he wouldn't play for him. Out! You don't play hardball with Yzerman. That's all I'm saying... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, LeftWinger said: If Stamkos hadn't of gotten hurt, drouin would've been dealt or at least spent a lot more time in the AHL, where he told Yzerman not to send him or he'll request a trade... St. Louis was pissed about not being selected for team Canada and called Yzerman out on it and said he wouldn't play for him. Out! You don't play hardball with Yzerman. That's all I'm saying... Still really don't see how you're using St Louis and Drouin as examples. St Louis stood up to Yzerman and got exactly what he wanted. St Louis won that war of wills. Not Yzerman. Was it good for the team in the long-term? Yup but that's not what we're talking about. Drouin was a completely different situation. It was over money. Not over playing for Tampa Bay. He stood up to Yzerman, got burned, yet he's still with the organization and looks quite a part of their future. In other words, he didn't get "outed" like you keep implying Yzerman does to difficult players. Funny that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Ya, ok. I guess I totally misunderstood those situations. Wow, mine eyes have seen the glory! Funny THAT. Btw, drouin was NEVER about money, it was about playing in the nhl. He requested a trade, refused to play in an AHL game and was being shopped. If not for the injury to Stamkos he'd be gone. Again, you don't play hardball with Yzerman. You want out? He'll ship you out! Same result as St.Louis. https://www.google.com/amp/news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/jonathan-drouins-refusal-to-play-ups-the-ante-with-tampa-bay-lighting-in-bid-to-be-traded/amp Funny this and that! Peace brother! Edited January 28, 2017 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
