BringBack19 110 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, joesuffP said: The Wings have invested soooo much time with Smith. I'd rather keep him then get a 5th round pick and watch him play like Shultz for Pittsburgh. But watch people will assume for the next 5 years Wings were offered 1st round picks left and right This is exactly the type of thinking that got the organization into the situation it's in. He would get more than a 5th, more likely a 3rd. It would be a terrible idea to tie up more significant cap space on a 3rd pairing defenseman during a rebuild. Let alone they have to structure raises to AA, Mantha, Larkin, and Jensen. 2 BinMucker94 and Wingnut1989 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, amato said: can't blame him.... who wouldn't want to in his situation? Honestly, I kind of forgot about him.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 I'd love to see him traded and get in some more games on another teams 4th line. Trade him for future considerations if any team wants him, unfortunately for Drew, I just don't see any team calling for his services... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 no one wanted him for free, what would be different a few months later? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, kylee said: no one wanted him for free, what would be different a few months later? Things can change. I hope the best for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, kylee said: no one wanted him for free, what would be different a few months later? Injuries, bad performances, etc can cause roster changes.. there's a (probably pretty small) chance that a team that passed on him before would trade "future considerations" for him. That's essentially for free too. Slightly off topic: does anyone know of any evidence of "future considerations" paying off down the line? To me it's always seemed like a legal/formal way of giving away a player and not much more.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 The Wings have invested soooo much time with Smith. I'd rather keep him then get a 5th round pick and watch him play like Shultz for Pittsburgh. But watch people will assume for the next 5 years Wings were offered 1st round picks left and rightSo you'd rather overpay a mediocre player than trade him because he might be better in another system? That's a terrible line of reasoning.Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,914 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, HadThomasVokounOnFortSt said: So apparently Miller wants to be traded. http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/02/22/hopefully-i-get-traded-says-wings-miller/ Of course NBC Sports screws up an article about hockey. He says Wings haven't been Sellers in about a quarter of a DECADE. Only 2.5yrs, eh? 2 HadThomasVokounOnFortSt and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 If Holland gives Smith a raise I'm done. 2 LeftWinger and BinMucker94 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: So you'd rather overpay a mediocre player than trade him because he might be better in another system? That's a terrible line of reasoning. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk My thinking is Smith is more valuable to us than one of the last picks in the 3rd or 4th round. Holland has been brutal with his contracts but if he signs short term for what he's worth it's a no brainer to me. I think we'd be very lucky to get Pittsburgh's 3rd round pick but if we did I would think long and hard about it. Anything less than that just keep him Edited February 22, 2017 by joesuffP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, joesuffP said: My thinking is Smith is more valuable to us than one of the last picks in the 3rd or 4th round. Holland has been brutal with his contracts but if he signs short term for what he's worth it's a no brainer to me. I think we'd be very lucky to get Pittsburgh's 3rd round pick but if we did I would think long and hard about it. Anything less than that just keep him Or let him walk? Why must everyone be kept? Can we just move on from players and try to make the team better and focus on more important things? Like clearing some cap space and unloading bad contracts, drafting good players and making some meaningful trades. Smith would be an idiot to want a short term contract.. He's 28. If he signs a 3 year deal he'll be 31. Who would offer him another good contract when he's 31? Nobody. He's better off signing a longer term somewhere else and be guaranteed to play in the NHL till he's 34 or something. But then again, Smith is a bonehead so I can see him being suckered in for a 2 year deal or something. 2 years (or even 3) $3 million per would be a win for Holland and a loss for Smith. Absolutely no future job security and easily a waivable contract. Edited February 22, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, joesuffP said: My thinking is Smith is more valuable to us than one of the last picks in the 3rd or 4th round. Holland has been brutal with his contracts but if he signs short term for what he's worth it's a no brainer to me. I think we'd be very lucky to get Pittsburgh's 3rd round pick but if we did I would think long and hard about it. Anything less than that just keep him What contract would you offer Brendan Smith to stay with this team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) This whole "I can't let go of you" mentality is what's put the Red Wings in the position they are today. Bad contracts and not a dollar to spend. What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that Larkin, Mantha, AA will be due for some hefty contracts. Not to mention Tatar will be demanding a lot of money as well. But of course, Brendan Smith gets locked in along with DK and Ericsson so not much money to spend >.> SAD! Edited February 22, 2017 by kickazz 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and BinMucker94 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 Wings are in a lose lose position. They're not gonna get any first round picks for anybody. Vanek should be traded for a 2nd cause he will be old and expensive but Smith is young and cheap and fits the criteria of what the Wings are after. Although the more I think about the less likely it is Smith gets a cheap deal from Holland anyways. Smith will sit in FA like Quincey and sign cheaply for 1 year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Lots of folks don't seem to realize that the Red Wings ONLY have $6.1 million in cap space when this season ends and need to re-sign the following players: Tomas Tatar (priority if we're not trading him) AA (even bigger priority, he's 100% our future) Jensen Oullette Smith Jurco Who do you guys re-sign? You only have $6.1 mill to work with. Best case scenario Vegas takes Howard and we have $11 million and we're ok. But if they take Sheahan then we're up $8 million and that's still not enough for everyone imo. Edited February 22, 2017 by kickazz 2 scotzman and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 I guess my rationale was that if Smith resigned really cheap I'd rather him than a 4th round pick but I guess Smith is going to test FA unless Holland overplays him. But if Smith ends up being like Quincey and nobody wants him I'd take him back in a heartbeat for a cheap short term deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 Wings are in a lose lose position. They're not gonna get any first round picks for anybody. Vanek should be traded for a 2nd cause he will be old and expensive but Smith is young and cheap and fits the criteria of what the Wings are after. Although the more I think about the less likely it is Smith gets a cheap deal from Holland anyways. Smith will sit in FA like Quincey and sign cheaply for 1 yearIf someone offers a solid pick you take it and run.If the asking price for Vanek is too high lower it and get something before he walks for nothing in July. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, kickazz said: Lots of folks don't seem to realize that the Red Wings ONLY have $6.1 million in cap space when this season ends and need to re-sign the following players: Tomas Tatar (priority if we're not trading him) AA (even bigger priority, he's 100% our future) Jensen Oullette Smith Jurco Who do you guys re-sign? You only have $6.1 mill to work with. Honestly AA is the only on of that group I particularly care about. Tatar would be nice to hold onto as well but if we're blowing up the team for a complete rebuild I wouldn't be distraught if he were traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Echolalia said: Honestly AA is the only on of that group I particularly care about. Tatar would be nice to hold onto as well but if we're blowing up the team for a complete rebuild I wouldn't be distraught if he were traded. Well assuming Holland doesn't trade him. He'd be an RFA and someone we would most likely re-sign 100% and he'll be asking about Nyquist money (4.5 million or whatever at least) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, joesuffP said: I guess my rationale was that if Smith resigned really cheap I'd rather him than a 4th round pick but I guess Smith is going to test FA unless Holland overplays him. But if Smith ends up being like Quincey and nobody wants him I'd take him back in a heartbeat for a cheap short term deal What contract do you offer Smith TODAY? 1 scotzman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, joesuffP said: I guess my rationale was that if Smith resigned really cheap I'd rather him than a 4th round pick but I guess Smith is going to test FA unless Holland overplays him. But if Smith ends up being like Quincey and nobody wants him I'd take him back in a heartbeat for a cheap short term deal Well from what I heard Holland has been in talks with Smith's agent. If Smith's asking price is too high then you trade him for WHATEVER you can get (4th or 5th) instead of losing him for free. Because he'll be gone in the free agency anyways. As a GM you simply can't bank on the fact that "Well hopefully no one re-signs him and maybe we can get him back" See what I mean? Would you rather sell your used car originally valued at $20,000 for a $1000 or donate it for free? That's the logic here. Edited February 22, 2017 by kickazz 1 scotzman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotzman 29 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, kickazz said: Lots of folks don't seem to realize that the Red Wings ONLY have $6.1 million in cap space when this season ends and need to re-sign the following players: Tomas Tatar (priority if we're not trading him) AA (even bigger priority, he's 100% our future) Jensen Oullette Smith Jurco Who do you guys re-sign? You only have $6.1 mill to work with. Best case scenario Vegas takes Howard and we have $11 million and we're ok. But if they take Sheahan then we're up $8 million and that's still not enough for everyone imo. We're screwed. Holland has mucked up this team so badly, I don't know how you fix it. The only way he can possibly salvage any hope of a brighter future, sooner rather than later, is trading away Smith, Vanek, Green, Tatar/Nyquist and letting the kids play. I almost think trading Mrazek may be necessary. Vegas is not picking up Howard. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, kickazz said: Lots of folks don't seem to realize that the Red Wings ONLY have $6.1 million in cap space when this season ends and need to re-sign the following players: Tomas Tatar (priority if we're not trading him) AA (even bigger priority, he's 100% our future) Jensen Oullette Smith Jurco Who do you guys re-sign? You only have $6.1 mill to work with. Best case scenario Vegas takes Howard and we have $11 million and we're ok. But if they take Sheahan then we're up $8 million and that's still not enough for everyone imo. It's all those bad contracts that are still on the books that will be hurting us for years to come 1 scotzman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotzman 29 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: What contract do you offer Smith TODAY? Unless Smith takes 3 years @ $2 Million per, we can't afford to sign him. Dekeyser is making $5 Million Ericsson $4.25 Million Smith would want close to Ericsson money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted February 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, kickazz said: Lots of folks don't seem to realize that the Red Wings ONLY have $6.1 million in cap space when this season ends and need to re-sign the following players: Tomas Tatar (priority if we're not trading him) AA (even bigger priority, he's 100% our future) Jensen Oullette Smith Jurco Who do you guys re-sign? You only have $6.1 mill to work with. Best case scenario Vegas takes Howard and we have $11 million and we're ok. But if they take Sheahan then we're up $8 million and that's still not enough for everyone imo. Honestly I go AA and Jensen. Rest get traded. This is so f***ed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites