kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) So I've seen a lot of us talk about how "this coach, or that player" is extremely overrated. I thought I'd make a fun thread about it and see which one out of the following criticized things are truly the most overrated according to LGW.com. It's meant to be a fun thread accumulating past opinions of LGW members. Keep it civil and try not to get carried away into suspensions. Try to expand on why you think the thing you picked is overrated. Edited March 4, 2017 by kickazz 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 Mike Babcock. We think so much of him we hired a guy who think's he's Mike Jr. so much he tries to speak just like him. He might even wear the same tie. I heard he stole it from Babs. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 Interesting thread. I like it! Babs should not be on there though, he is the greatest coach of this generation. 1 minute ago, e_prime said: Mike Babcock. We think so much of him we hired a guy who think's he's Mike Jr. so much he tries to speak just like him. He might even wear the same tie. I heard he stole it from Babs. Babs should be replaced with Blash IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Interesting thread. I like it! Babs should not be on there though, he is the greatest coach of this generation. Babs should be replaced with Blash IMO Kipwinger would disagree and I had to include members' popular opinions Edited March 3, 2017 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, kickazz said: Kipwinger would disagree and I had to include past members' opinions And yet you did not include my opinions about Brendan Smith 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: And yet you did not include my opinions about Brendan Smith I added "Other" as an option for non-important things such as Brenden Smith. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 I voted Toews, there is nobody IMO that gets put on a pedestal by media and fans like him. He is a very good player, treated like the cream of the crop, best of the best. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kliq said: I voted Toews, there is nobody IMO that gets put on a pedestal by media and fans like him. He is a very good player, treated like the cream of the crop, best of the best. Agreed, I voted Toews for the same exact thing. Good player but not the best. Treated as though he is because 3 cups must mean you're that good. Apparently when it comes to Toews, hockey no longer is a team sport but an individual one. All hail Jonathan Toews. I also think Don Cherry is overrated. He acts like he's an expert analyst but to be honest Mickey Redmond >>>>>>>>>>> Don Cherry. 7 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Thing = instant replay. Player = Brent Burns. Coach = John Tortorella. GM = Ken Holland. Team = Montreal. Fair opinions, but why? Edited March 3, 2017 by kickazz 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kickazz said: Kipwinger would disagree and I had to include members' popular opinions Well as overrated as I think Babcock is, and he is pretty overrated, I didn't vote for Babs. I voted for hockey fights. Obviously. Only in hockey would fans, organizations, scouts, and the media fetishize a PENALTY. Could you imagine if football players developed a "code" and backslapped each other for pass interference, spearing, or horsecollaring because it "kept guys honest"? It's completely idiotic. I did like your list though, except Eichel really isn't too overrated. Nobody talks about him anymore and he's still pretty good. I would add "grit", "veteran presence", and "crease-clearing defensemen" to the list though. Edited March 4, 2017 by kipwinger 5 PavelValerievichDatsyuk, e_prime, derblaueClaus and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, kipwinger said: Well as overrated as I think Babcock is, and he is pretty overrated, I didn't vote for Babs. I loved for hockey fights. Obviously. Only in hockey would fans, organizations, scouts, and the media fetishize a PENALTY. Could you imagine if football players developed a "code" and backslapped each other for pass interference, spearing, or horsecollaring because it "kept guys honest"? It's completely idiotic. I did like your list though, except Eichel really isn't too overrated. Nobody talks about him anymore and he's still pretty good. I would add "grit", "veteran presence", and "crease-clearing defensemen" though. I think the issue with Eichel is some tend to group him with McDavid which is really not fair as McDavid is on an entirely different level. Well that and the weird "Eichel Tower" nickname that some have coined for him that sounds more like a porno parody title then a hockey nickname. Edited March 4, 2017 by kliq 2 derblaueClaus and kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 Out of those options, it's Jonathan Tayes. "Other" is too broad for me to even think about. Hell, life is overrated. 1 greenrebellion reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) Poor form putting Jonny T on this list, kickazz. Intangibles are actually the most underrated way of critically evaluating players, and Toews is chock-full of em. I voted fights and was surprised to see someone else went in that direction, too, then saw that kipwinger was in this thread. Edited March 4, 2017 by Echolalia 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Echolalia said: Poor form putting Jonny T on this list, kickazz. Intangibles are actually the most underrated way of critically evaluating players, and Toews is chock-full of em. I voted fights and was surprised to see someone else went in that direction, too, then saw that kipwinger was in this thread. Kipwinger lost his roster spot on the junior high team to an enforcer. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: Kipwinger lost his roster spot on the junior high team to an enforcer. Craig Coxe to be exact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 Ben Bishop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Craig Coxe to be exact. Oh yes, I forgot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 3 hours ago, kliq said: I think the issue with Eichel is some tend to group him with McDavid which is really not fair as McDavid is on an entirely different level. Well that and the weird "Eichel Tower" nickname that some have coined for him that sounds for like a porno parody title then a hockey nickname. Eichel is alright. When I hear his name I think of how Buffalo deliberately and publicly tanked hard for McDavid, icing the worst lineup possible, trading their decent goalies for horrible ones, how their fans wore McDavids name on the back of their jerseys in electrical tape. And then how they lost the draft lottery to Edmonton, who claimed their fourth first overall pick in like five seasons. Hahaha that's karma. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shocky2002 36 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 1. Grit 2. Heart 3. Jonathan Toews 4. Jonathan Quick Toews has only been overrated the past 2 years imo. 2009-15 he was an elite player for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) +/- and advanced stats, because they're often used in isolation and are therefore more or less meaningless "only 9 points out of the playoffs," because that still puts you last in the conference so it might as well be 50 points getting to 100 points in the standings/being ".500", because with the loser point, it's a lot easier speed, because if that's all you have, you're still not good. "hard work" because nobody gets to the NHL without working hard. A lazy NHL player is only lazy compared to other NHL players. Compared to most people, they're insanely fit. Edited March 4, 2017 by DickieDunn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) dylan larkin darren helm justin abdelkader riley sheahan danny dekeyser peter mrazek and every player in grand rapids LGW think is going to be a superstar Edited March 4, 2017 by brett 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 I mean grit and team toughness is pretty overrated. Skill trumps toughness most times but it works perfectly against teams like the Wings and Canucks. Won the Bruins a Stanley cup against a much better Canucks team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 Changed Jack Eichel to "Grit and Toughness" in the poll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 now we got a debate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingnut1989 165 Report post Posted March 4, 2017 Power play coach is pretty overrated, i cant see the difference from the last few we've had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted March 5, 2017 10 hours ago, joesuffP said: I mean grit and team toughness is pretty overrated. Skill trumps toughness most times but it works perfectly against teams like the Wings and Canucks. Won the Bruins a Stanley cup against a much better Canucks team The Flyers two back to back Cups in '74-'75 were won largely by grit and toughness, and intimidation and fighting prowess by Dave "The Hammer " (348 and 472 PIM in each season) and the boys, and of course some of the best goaltending ever seen by Bernie Parent. Even their most skilled guy, Bobby Clarke, was a tough gritty leader and probably the leagues dirtiest player. That team was purposely built by management to win that way. It would never work nowadays because the game has become so PC and all about skill and goal scoring and ass kissing the latest phenom to enter the league. The whole team would be suspended after two games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites