Chelios Blasts Mike Babcock

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

9 hours ago, kickazz said:

Spent 12.3% of his time with Tavares in all situations. Come thru, the burn book's, lit.  

1% on even strength. 

And since your tried to be a Einstein earlier and brought up Zetterberg and Datsyuk. They spent 37% together in all situations (compared to the 12% of Nielsen and Tavares) and 33% on even strength (compared to the 1% between Tavares and Nielsen). 

Not even close. 

Can we agree that you two both spend too much time together on the same threads?

[kickazz 5,459]

1 hour ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Can we agree that you two both spend too much time together on the same threads?

Not nearly enough lately

He's Apollo, I'm Rocky. And you're Paulie.

Edited March 30, 2017 by kickazz

[NerveDamage 4,176]

14 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Well, at least you didn't make me Glass Joe!

 

Ok, that's pretty strong evidence, dude.  I admit defeat in this one.

edit: lol, this one's way better,

good to see you guys getting along

Edited March 30, 2017 by NerveDamage

[Barrie 900]

I'm glad we didn't sign Parise and Suter, and I was saying it at the time too. With the cap, we would have had to build our team around those guys for 10 years. Suter on his own, would have been fine, but not both.

[sjr2012 439]

10 hours ago, Barrie said:

I'm glad we didn't sign Parise and Suter, and I was saying it at the time too. With the cap, we would have had to build our team around those guys for 10 years. Suter on his own, would have been fine, but not both.

true and i think it would have been hard to keep tats AA getting larkin and others who are coming 

Edited March 31, 2017 by sjr2012
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[chaps80 1,591]

On 2017-03-29 at 11:17 PM, kickazz said:

Spent 12.3% of his time with Tavares in all situations. Come thru, the burn book's, lit.  

1% on even strength. 

And since your tried to be a Einstein earlier and brought up Zetterberg and Datsyuk. They spent 37% together in all situations (compared to the 12% of Nielsen and Tavares) and 33% on even strength (compared to the 1% between Tavares and Nielsen). 

Not even close. 

Wow Matt Martin's comment that Tavares helped Nielson and Okposo cash in as UFAs really started something here.

The Nielson signing was nothing but typical Holland blowing cap space signing a vet to an expensive long term deal just because he could instead of just leaving things as is. He just can't help himself. I swear he still thinks it's 2002. Nielson wasn't a big difference maker this season, and I doubt he will be for the rest of his contract, which ends when he's 38. With the team on a downswing and nearing rebuild status, it wasn't the time to make a move like that. A move like that should be off the table. Work with what you already have and don't add another long term deal to worry about. With Z, Larkin, AA, Helm, Sheahan, and Glendening the team had enough centers going forward. 

 

 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

58 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Wow Matt Martin's comment that Tavares helped Nielson and Okposo cash in as UFAs really started something here.

The Nielson signing was nothing but typical Holland blowing cap space signing a vet to an expensive long term deal just because he could instead of just leaving things as is. He just can't help himself. I swear he still thinks it's 2002. Nielson wasn't a big difference maker this season, and I doubt he will be for the rest of his contract, which ends when he's 38. With the team on a downswing and nearing rebuild status, it wasn't the time to make a move like that. A move like that should be off the table. Work with what you already have and don't add another long term deal to worry about. With Z, Larkin, AA, Helm, Sheahan, and Glendening the team had enough centers going forward. 

 

 

I agree with you because I think Detroit did overestimate Nielsens value. Never thought he was anything special in NYI, but then the wings signed him and touted him as a great defensive center and shootout specialist, and I drank the koolaid a bit. Hes clearly a highend 3rd line center, nothing more. 

I disagree with you because I dont blame Holland for trying. Larkin clearly isnt ready to lead the 2nd line and AA doesnt have the defensive prowess to do it yet either.

That being said, the contract looks bad just like Weiss. Holland should have kept Filppula. 

[Buppy 1,720]

3 hours ago, chaps80 said:

The Nielson signing was nothing but typical Holland blowing cap space signing a vet to an expensive long term deal .... With the team on a downswing and nearing rebuild status, it wasn't the time to make a move like that. .... 

Not sure I understand your logic. The only reason to "worry about" Nielsen's contract is if you want to use that cap space for someone else, which you say we shouldn't do anyway. And if it's further into the future you're worried about, you shouldn't be. Even without clearing any of the supposedly bad contracts or the cap going up, we have some significant flexibility even as soon as the year after next. 

[chaps80 1,591]

15 hours ago, Buppy said:

Not sure I understand your logic. The only reason to "worry about" Nielsen's contract is if you want to use that cap space for someone else, which you say we shouldn't do anyway. And if it's further into the future you're worried about, you shouldn't be. Even without clearing any of the supposedly bad contracts or the cap going up, we have some significant flexibility even as soon as the year after next. 

I'm not saying don't use open cap space. I'm saying if you make the move to free up that kind of cap, use it productively. Just because you have money in your pocket for Frans Nielson, doesn't mean you need to sign him. The teams issue was and still is defense. There may not have been any top D to be had last July 1, but why didn't he at least make an attempt to add a couple good D men instead of blowing the wad on three over 30 forwards like Nielson, Vanek, and Ott? If he feels the need to blow cap, blow it in the right direction.

[chaps80 1,591]

On 2017-04-02 at 9:09 PM, Jonas Mahonas said:

And at the very least, make the big dollar signings at least tradeable.

 

No movement clause is a joke.  Play well, and there will be no movement.

Exactly. There's been some talk in the press lately that Holland should think about asking Nielson if he would waive his NMC and accept a trade to a contender, or at least a playoff team. When Nielson signed in Detroit, I don't think he expected to be playing on a bottom feeder team, despite the team's regression the past few years. He's going to be 33, and this contract is likely his last before retirement. Surely he'd like to win a Cup sooner than later. If Holland can convince him to waive the clause and try to shop him, he might get some interest, but he'd likely need to retain salary at the least. Nielson would be very hard to trade with his overpaid contract, age, and the fact he's not a great player. He's good, but not great. He's a complimentary piece of a Cup winner, not a major piece, who makes too much money for too many years. Would be worth a shot though.

[chaps80 1,591]

2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Problem is he's just a piece as of now.  He has zero track record of helping any teams contend for cups.  And he has 4 more years.  We are stuck with his crappy contract, Abdelkader's, Nyquist's, DeKeyser's, Ericsson's, Kronwall's, Howard's, and soon to be Tatar's.

Pretty much yeah. All those contracts are unmovable. What Holland SHOULD do for the XDraft is leave all those guys unprotected, except for Tatar. Force LV to take a big s***ty contract off his hands. That's at least one down for doing nothing, since they have to take one player from each team no matter what. The only two I see him keeping is DD and Nyquist, but he shouldn't. Best case they take DD, Howard, or Abby.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Vegas will need some vet leadership on their roster and a solid vet netminder, would they contemplate taking Jimmy? not sure on that as i feel there will be a better netminder available Abbey is a Redwing lifer, he aint going anywhere soon. So when is Vegas picking their roster? 

[vladdy16 2,154]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that this thread evolved from Babcock to Holland!

Let's get back to Babs here and actually start a thread about Holland, please.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

OK, so you find a team that will take Nielsen for 5 more years if Detroit retains half his salary.  Then what?  Unless Holland is going to commit to a youth movement instead of overpaying more vets, which he's given zero indication that he'll do that, he's going to just sign another guy to a 4+ year deal, probably at close to $4-5 mil.  Then you add the $2.5 mil in retained salary, you're essentially paying the new guy between $6.5 and $7.5 mil a season.  As much as I hated the Nielsen contract from day 1, they'd be better off keeping him.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

2 minutes ago, vladdy16 said:

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that this thread evolved from Babcock to Holland!

Let's get back to Babs here and actually start a thread about Holland, please.

six Degrees of Kenny Holland, he is like the Kevin Bacon of the Red Wings Universe

[chaps80 1,591]

9 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

Vegas will need some vet leadership on their roster and a solid vet netminder, would they contemplate taking Jimmy? not sure on that as i feel there will be a better netminder available Abbey is a Redwing lifer, he aint going anywhere soon. So when is Vegas picking their roster? 

Yeah I think they'd look elsewhere for goaltending first. If PIT can't trade Fleury before the XDraft then they have to protect him (NMC), and Murray will be exposed. No way he goes unclaimed. Bishop is UFA, but if they take him from LA, which I'm sure LA hopes they do, and can get him signed, they'll be set. Raanta will be available too, cause no way NYR protects him over King Henrik. There's other options as well. I think the Wings are stuck with Jimmy until his contract is over, unless he stays healthy and plays well until the trade deadline. Then they may find a taker.

Ive heard that LV is planning on taking a few goalies to corner the market and trade the ones they don't keep for players, prospects, or picks.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

20 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Yeah I think they'd look elsewhere for goaltending first. If PIT can't trade Fleury before the XDraft then they have to protect him (NMC), and Murray will be exposed. No way he goes unclaimed. Bishop is UFA, but if they take him from LA, which I'm sure LA hopes they do, and can get him signed, they'll be set. Raanta will be available too, cause no way NYR protects him over King Henrik. There's other options as well. I think the Wings are stuck with Jimmy until his contract is over, unless he stays healthy and plays well until the trade deadline. Then they may find a taker.

Ive heard that LV is planning on taking a few goalies to corner the market and trade the ones they don't keep for players, prospects, or picks.

It's something one of their scouts threw out there, but I doubt it's actually true. They will definitely have 2 or 3 very good goalies though.