Shattenkirk

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

1 hour ago, chaps80 said:

Which has slowly made the roster full of horrid contracts for overpaid players. Errorsson, Helm, Kronwall, Green, Howard, Abby, DD, etc. Four defensemen have NTCs, and make more than $5 million each, yet the D was a big hole. Once other teams got past the back checking forwards, it was often embarrassingly easy for them to go straight to the net.

Green is not overpaid. All the commentary at the time was questioning how we got him for only a 3 year deal. Was a great deal.

Also, only Green and DD make more than 5 million.

Edited May 24, 2017 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[Keep Your Stick On the Ice 67]

28 minutes ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

Green is not overpaid. All the commentary at the time was questioning how we got him for only a 3 year deal. Was a great deal.

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Green is not overpaid?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

The Preds were/are the 16th seed, and will be in the Finals...Like the Kings from a few years ago - anything can happen.
I think we all knew that Holland felt this team wasn't suited to win it all, but making the playoffs last summer was seemed pretty realistic.

Both those teams severely underachieved in the regular season. A wild card spot is the best the Wings can realistically​ expect.

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[chaps80 1,591]

Green is not overpaid. All the commentary at the time was questioning how we got him for only a 3 year deal. Was a great deal.
Also, only Green and Kronwall make more than 5 million.

Great deal at the time, but not for long. DD makes $5 million. Errorsson makes $4.25 million. Pretty close. All together it's a lot for those four. Kronwall is pretty well done, Green and DD underperformed, and Errorsson, that speaks for itself. Guy should make $2 million, if that.


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[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

12 minutes ago, Keep Your Stick On the Ice said:

Green is not overpaid?

Green had the 8th most goals for NHL defensemen this year. Played a lot of time on our top pair and was often our best D man (especially in the first half). So, no, I don't think he was overpaid at all.

Also, he was a UFA signing at age 30 - around when players go for the huge deals. 6 mil for 3 years was a great deal. He's been very good for us and presents no problems for the cap future since he could be gone after this year. Or we could trade him for assets at the deadline, if he waives his NTC. Or we re-sign him if we solve the cap problems if we somehow shed E (unlikely) or Kronwall's knees force him to LTIR.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Great deal at the time, but not for long. DD makes $5 million. Errorsson makes $4.25 million. Pretty close. All together it's a lot for those four. Kronwall is pretty well done, Green and DD underperformed, and Errorsson, that speaks for itself. Guy should make $2 million, if that.

Oops, I made a mistake in the other post: Only Green and Dekeyser make 5+, not Kronwall. 

I don't think anyone would round 4.25 Up to 5 mill.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

We need to lose (to vegas) and trade away about $12M total for this to be anywhere near a start to a successful off season. Any three of Green, Abby, Ericsson, Howard, Helm or Nyquist would fit that bill wonderfully. Its a fact, we have to shed that salary or there's no way we can get pointed in the right direction.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

We need to lose (to vegas) and trade away about $12M total for this to be anywhere near a start to a successful off season. Any three of Green, Abby, Ericsson, Howard, Helm or Nyquist would fit that bill wonderfully. Its a fact, we have to shed that salary or there's no way we can get pointed in the right direction.

Dont get your hopes up. We will probably shed one contract to Vegas and thats it. Then possibly shed Green at the deadline. 

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Pooey, stop being a party pooper.

[joesuffP 1,746]

This board bothers me with their approach like theirs no point in getting a defensmen unless he's a superstar #1... this team will have one top 4 defensmen in two years just because he may not be a #1 doesn't mean avoid him at all costs we need a couple offensive d men

[Wingnut1989 165]

get tavares and reunite him with his besty nielson

Edited May 24, 2017 by Wingnut1989

[chaps80 1,591]

 

 

 

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Oops, I made a mistake in the other post: Only Green and Dekeyser make 5+, not Kronwall. 

I don't think anyone would round 4.25 Up to 5 mill.

 

Didn't round it up, but it's close enough. Either way, it's only about 3.25 too much.

 

 

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4 hours ago, joesuffP said:

This board bothers me with their approach like theirs no point in getting a defensmen unless he's a superstar #1... this team will have one top 4 defensmen in two years just because he may not be a #1 doesn't mean avoid him at all costs we need a couple offensive d men

At this point I think a lot of pepole would rather not commit big term and dollars to an older UFA...  see what our kids can do, evaluate, but not jump on the first UFA we can get like Neilson last season.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-detroit-red-wings-1.754664

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

9 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Didn't round it up, but it's close enough. Either way, it's only about 3.25 too much.

Close enough for what? You said 4 guys make 5 mill so you did round it up.

[chaps80 1,591]

5 minutes ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

Close enough for what? You said 4 guys make 5 mill so you did round it up.

I counted E as $5 million yes, because it's close to the same number as the other three pylons. Not getting technical over 750K.

[kliq 3,755]

2 hours ago, mackel said:

At this point I think a lot of pepole would rather not commit big term and dollars to an older UFA...  see what our kids can do, evaluate, but not jump on the first UFA we can get like Neilson last season.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-detroit-red-wings-1.754664

Agreed, unless it's for a superstar (ie. Jonathan Taveras)

[DickieDunn 2,571]

11 hours ago, joesuffP said:

This board bothers me with their approach like theirs no point in getting a defensmen unless he's a superstar #1... this team will have one top 4 defensmen in two years just because he may not be a #1 doesn't mean avoid him at all costs we need a couple offensive d men

People aren't saying avoid at all costs, they're saying he's not worth what he's probably going to get, even if it's not the mega deal; some people are predicting.  I'd take Shattenkirk for 3 or 4 years at $4.5 mil or so provided they can clear some dead wood first.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

I think this is what I'd rather do:

Skip shatty, let some kids develop for this season, throw my big money at UFA Cam Fowler. Because if I'm giving $7M to someone, I'd rather it be him. If we sign Shatty, we'll have to dump even more cap next year to try for Fowler. For the money, Fowler is worth it.

Also, is still like to dump about $12M-$14M in salary in preparation for our RFA's and moving forward.

I wouldn't mind trying to flip Green now for an extra 1st, like mentioned to maybe Edmonton. 

Edited May 25, 2017 by LeftWinger

[chaps80 1,591]

Fowler would be the better choice to wait for. But would Holland wait? He can open up a few million more in cap if he wants to hit the quick target in Shattenkirk. But given how Nielson worked out, has he learned that big lesson that easy isnt always the answer in the cap era? We'll see.


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[LeftWinger 4,953]

I say shed the $12M-$14M in salary, sign some 1 year vets, bring up some kids. Save the cap to try and land Fowler  if he doesn't re-sign with Duck.

 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

0% chance shattenkirk is coming here 

 

time to think outside the box and go for teams defensive prospects and hope for the best , had we targeted Brandon montour 12-18 months ago we'd be laughing now 

 

target carlsson from the ducks , or a defensemen from The flyers or canes ... No top pairing d is coming here as a ufa now , and shattenkirk isn't even a top d to begin with , ppl specialist and that's it 

[krsmith17 7,191]

 

53 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

0% chance shattenkirk is coming here 

time to think outside the box and go for teams defensive prospects and hope for the best , had we targeted Brandon montour 12-18 months ago we'd be laughing now 

target carlsson from the ducks , or a defensemen from The flyers or canes ... No top pairing d is coming here as a ufa now , and shattenkirk isn't even a top d to begin with , ppl specialist and that's it 

I was one of the people that really wanted to go after Montour. He wouldn't have been cheap, even back 12-18 months ago, but I do think whatever the asking price was probably would have been worth it for us (assuming it wasn't anything too crazy).

I agree though, we should be looking at somewhat unknowns with potential. Aneheim aren't moving Theodore or Montour unless it's massive overpayment. Who's Carlsson? I'm assuming you meant Larsson? He could be a decent option. Guys that I'd inquire about would be Sanheim from the Flyers, Fabbro from the Preds, or my number one choice, Bean from the Canes. None of which would come cheap, but for three teams that are overflowing with defensemen, and could possibly use a little more offensive punch, I think a deal could be worked out...

Edited May 25, 2017 by krsmith17

[kliq 3,755]

3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Funny how people are talking about giving 2nd pairing guys 7 mil per now, but Suter's 25 minutes a night 1st pairing minutes are too expensive at 7.5 mil.  Ughhhhh

Who said this? The only criticism I can remember reading on this board about Suter's contract is the term.

Edited May 25, 2017 by kliq

[LeftWinger 4,953]

5 minutes ago, kliq said:

You said this? The only criticism I can remember reading on this board about Suter's contract is the term.

Plus I do believe 99% of us wanted him, and wanted Holland to offer more to get him...wouldve been nice...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

 

I was one of the people that really wanted to go after Montour. He wouldn't have been cheap, even back 12-18 months ago, but I do think whatever the asking price was probably would have been worth it for us (assuming it wasn't anything too crazy).

I agree though, we should be looking at somewhat unknowns with potential. Aneheim aren't moving Theodore or Montour unless it's massive overpayment. Who's Carlsson? I'm assuming you meant Larsson? He could be a decent option. Guys that I'd inquire about would be Sanheim from the Flyers, Fabbro from the Preds, or my number one choice, Bean from the Canes. None of which would come cheap, but for three teams that are overflowing with defensemen, and could possibly use a little more offensive punch, I think a deal could be worked out...

Ya your right Jacob larsson, got mixed up with Gabriel Carlsson  from Columbus , another dman I like 

 

agree with you, need to target teams with a surplus of dmen and pluck a few guys away ,might have to look deep into predators prospect pool seeing how well they do at the d position and try and grab one away