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Wow! It looks like we are losing Tomas Nosek and people are upset? Ottawa is likely losing Methot, NYI are losing the 15th overall pick, we are losing Tomas fricken Nosek! Come on guys, with all due respect to Nosek, he is a 4th line player, 3rd liner at best.

Some people just want to ***** and moan regardless of what happens.

 

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15 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

It isn't, but people were gonna act like the world is ending no matter who was drafted. I think Nosek will be a solid player, but players like him are also a dime a dozen. Mrazek, Sproul, XO, hell even Sheahan I feel all have higher upside. 

Agree. Nosek is 25 next year. Losing a guy 25, who's and only played 17 games in the NHL, isn't much of a loss at all. It's a relief.

My guess is Vegas picked from us near the end, and they needed a guy with a low cap hit.

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9 minutes ago, kliq said:

Wow! It looks like we are losing Tomas Nosek and people are upset? Ottawa is likely losing Methot, NYI are losing the 15th overall pick, we are losing Tomas fricken Nosek! Come on guys, with all due respect to Nosek, he is a 4th line player, 3rd liner at best.

Some people just want to ***** and moan regardless of what happens.

 

Dude Holland is like an elite gambler man. He exposes Mrazek and confuses everyone and dares them to call his bluff. Vegas is all like "dude no this is too good to be true.. we'll play it safe and take TOMAS Frickin' NOSEK" 

 

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3 minutes ago, kliq said:

If this is true, do people now believe that Mrazek had no trade value? Maybe he's as good as gone once teams no longer have to worry about "protecting" him. Or, maybe we place him on waivers and LGRW.com erupts.

 

 

There could be a side-deal in place that protected Mrazek. We won't know till 9 am tomorrow.

If there wasn't one, Mrazek has a lot less value around the league than LGW perceives. However, I really doubt Mrazek will be traded even after the expansion if this is the case. If he had value in a trade McPhee would have selected and flipped him.

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2 hours ago, e_prime said:

Baseless or not, it's a pretty s***ty move.  I don't see how it benefits us at all.  We've devalued the player even further.  No one wanted to trade for him before why would they give us anything at all now. 

The only way to get a decent return on him is if he plays well for us... and now that we've basically tried to bounce him out of town... what motivation would there be for him to anything other than that.  Play lights out hockey, make it known you want out, force our hand to take what we can get.

We've clearly screwed the pooch on this. 

I mean, maybe Mrazek WANTED to get out and wanted trade OR exposure to be the way. We don't really know anything that's going on behind the scenes. Holland isn't the type to just give s*** away for free. He'll he's been known as a "hoarder" around here for the last 3 or 4 years. 

Alternatively maybe there was a deal with Vegas to NOT take Mrazek? Maybe their long term goal with this guy was never to actually trade him but to keep him here for the long haul and they went about it the way they did? 

This situation has far too interesting to be as simple as it is. I think something is brewing behind that Ken Holland desk that we don't know of. Whether it's disciplining a player, or a side deal or trolling or actually wanting to get rid of Mrazek but failing. 

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1 minute ago, kickazz said:

I mean, maybe Mrazek WANTED to get out and wanted trade OR exposure to be the way. We don't really know anything that's going on behind the scenes. Holland isn't the type to just give s*** away for free. He'll he's been known as a "hoarder" around here for the last 3 or 4 years. 

Yeah I hadn't considered what Mrazek wanted. For all we know he demanded a trade already.

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Here at LGW, we should have a pretty good idea about how easily and commonly the most promising prospects in the AHL fizzle out into nothing once they get into the NHL.  From purely an odds standpoint, Vegas selecting anyone off our AHL roster over currently established NHL players is likely going to be a long-term win for us.  Keeping Mrazek would buy Holland another season to work out a solution for a backup role as well (cuz Coreau I don't think is ready, and Howard is likely going to be injured).  Not losing any sleep over these results if they're true.
 
Also regarding Mrazek's low trade value: lets not give this kid a scapegoat and blame everything on Holland.  He's struggled to put together a consistent showing since coming up to the NHL and his attitude and entitlement problems are widely reported.  Maybe if he wants to be a number one goalie or be a valuable asset he should work more on his game and behavior.  Its not Blashill or Holland's job to coddle him.


Giving Mrazek his last contract season to evaluate things further makes sense.

Coddled? I don't think he expects that. Or maybe he looks at Howard, who was coddled in the AHL till he was 25 and ran out of eligibility, and wonders why management is tougher on him? Mrazek made the big team early with a quality of play that couldn't be ignored, and took the starting job away from a guy who had it for 5 years. He's regressed though, and maybe management is tougher on him because they know how good he can be?


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25 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Dude Holland is like an elite gambler man. He exposes Mrazek and confuses everyone and dares them to call his bluff. Vegas is all like "dude no this is too good to be true.. we'll play it safe and take TOMAS Frickin' NOSEK"

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11 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

 


Giving Mrazek his last contract season to evaluate things further makes sense.

Coddled? I don't think he expects that. Or maybe he looks at Howard, who was coddled in the AHL till he was 25 and ran out of eligibility, and wonders why management is tougher on him? Mrazek made the big team early with a quality of play that couldn't be ignored, and took the starting job away from a guy who had it for 5 years. He's regressed though, and maybe management is tougher on him because they know how good he can be?


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It's been well documented why the team has been tough on Mrazek at this point. I'm not gonna even.

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THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

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17 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

 


Giving Mrazek his last contract season to evaluate things further makes sense.

Coddled? I don't think he expects that. Or maybe he looks at Howard, who was coddled in the AHL till he was 25 and ran out of eligibility, and wonders why management is tougher on him? Mrazek made the big team early with a quality of play that couldn't be ignored, and took the starting job away from a guy who had it for 5 years. He's regressed though, and maybe management is tougher on him because they know how good he can be?


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So chaps... how do you feel now that Mrazek didn't get taken for free..?

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Yeah I know he has a bad attitude, walked out on a practice, doesn't work hard enough, etc. But it's ok for guys like Coreau to come up and fall flat on their face and get rewarded with more starts and the Winter Classic. Guess he has a good attitude and works hard or something.


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So chaps... how do you feel now that Mrazek didn't get taken for free..?


Holland is a weird, weird man.


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At least now Holland can't give Nosek a 4 year $8 million dollar deal. Unless he gives up a first to get him back.

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Well, Quincey is floating around out there somewhere. He needs defence....


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I'd take Q Bomb back for a year at under $2 mil in exchange for some of the other guys they have.

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Yep. Errorsson can take a hike back to Sweden any day he feels like it


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1 hour ago, kickazz said:

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This situation has far too interesting to be as simple as it is. I think something is brewing behind that Ken Holland desk that we don't know of. Whether it's disciplining a player, or a side deal or trolling or actually wanting to get rid of Mrazek but failing. 

Why should we think it isn't simple? We have two expensive goalies, and we're tight on cap space, and we have a third goalie out of options coming off a good AHL career. Mrazek's coming off an awful year, and as his detractors like to point out he's had his share of down moments even prior. Howard is coming off an excellent year, apart from the injury.

As I've said, there are benefits in him being selected. Given that we now know of at least two credible rumors of Vegas being paid to take goalies, (and Holland has said he's been talking to other GMs so he was likely aware of that even before we were) it would seem the chances of him being selected weren't as high as we might have thought.

Put it all together and it's hardly that outrageous that he was exposed, even without resorting to speculative character assassination. I don't think you even have to conclude that we wanted Vegas to take him. Just that we'd be OK with it, which is reasonable to assume based on fact alone.

29 minutes ago, kickazz said:

So chaps... how do you feel now that Mrazek didn't get taken for free..?

I don't think it really says much. If they were already selecting two goalies, one of them already fairly expensive, plus several other options like Grubauer and Raanta... There's never a big market for goalies, so it's not that surprising that they wouldn't want too many or would think a player would be worth more than a 3rd-rounder or whatever. They do still need to build a team.

More surprising that they would pick Nosek ahead of Sheahan if they were taking a forward (assuming they weren't paid to take him). Maybe they're pinching pennies, or maybe even GMs get overly swayed by what-have-you-done-lately thinking.

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Yep. Errorsson can take a hike back to Sweden any day he feels like it


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I'd tell him he has training camp to prove he can still be an effective NHL player
If he isn't better than he has been he'll be sent to GR, or he can retire and I won't object to him playing in Sweden.

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