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[chaps80 1,591]

The last person I want in net is someone with a fragile ego and the ability to get shaken easily.  If Mraz can't handle the pressure of something as basic as a qualified starter backing him up, how can you reasonably expect him to handle real adversity (which he has also struggled with)?

It's called development. Not every goalie comes into the league with their head on straight ready for anything. Holland has even said that Mrazek hasn't faced much, if any, adversity in his career up until a couple years ago. I mentioned Osgood, Holland trading Vernon to give him full reign. That's what you do.

You'd prefer Howard/Coreau going into next season. One can get lit up and have a bad injury, the other will just get lit up.


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Least Matej being around if Mraz is plucked gives me some sense of relief.


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[Echolalia 2,961]

1 minute ago, chaps80 said:

 

It's called development. Not every goalie comes into the league with their head on straight ready for anything. Holland has even said that Mrazek hasn't faced much, if any, adversity in his career up until a couple years ago. I mentioned Osgood, Holland trading Vernon to give him full reign. That's what you do.

You'd prefer Howard/Coreau going into next season. One can get lit up and have a bad injury, the other will just get lit up.


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I think Howard/Coreau is a disaster waiting to happen, something I already mentioned in this thread.  Regardless of whether Holland went with Mrazek or Howard, I think a priority in this offseason is finding an established backup who is capable of playing half the season if need be, because Mrazek has shown he's too inconsistent (and as you alluded to mentally fragile) to handle the top spot, and Howard is injury prone.  Frankly I think the real issue here isn't a Mrazek vs Howard one, but who is going to be on the bench waiting on the likely event one of those two is unavailable.

[joesuffP 1,736]

Mrazek's attitude problems must be pretty severe if Holland is okay with losing him for nothing and sending a clear message of what management thinks of him. I think of it as Holland basically trying to keep Sheahan over Mrazek but who knows who Vegas takes. Personally I could care less who Vegas takes as long as there's a bit of cap relief. Major focus should be drafting and clearing up some bad contracts

[kickazz 5,459]

16 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

 

It's called development. Not every goalie comes into the league with their head on straight ready for anything. Holland has even said that Mrazek hasn't faced much, if any, adversity in his career up until a couple years ago. I mentioned Osgood, Holland trading Vernon to give him full reign. That's what you do.

You'd prefer Howard/Coreau going into next season. One can get lit up and have a bad injury, the other will just get lit up.


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Least Matej being around if Mraz is plucked gives me some sense of relief.


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This is all interesting because two years ago, you and others were bashing Howard for being mentally weak and praising Mrazek for his mental strength. Now I see the mental weakness that Mrazek has shown has turned into an excuse in his case. But for Howard it was a reason to get rid of him.

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[joesuffP 1,736]

I think based solely on performance Mrazek deserved another shot this year. I think a trade was requested added with the attitude problems and management is just sick of him

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

If they take Fleury they aren't taking Mrazek. I don't believe they are going to take a goalie just to trade him. The goalie market is so saturated right now there is no profit. They are better off stocking up on extra Dmen if they intend to trade right away.

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[chaps80 1,591]

8 minutes ago, kickazz said:

This is all interesting because two years ago, you and others were bashing Howard for being mentally weak and praising Mrazek for his mental strength. Now I see the mental weakness that Mrazek has shown has turned into an excuse in his case. But for Howard it was a reason to get rid of him.

It's not "mental weakness". by all reports, he still has that "confidence and swagger" about him that Khan once described. It's finding his game. Never once did I see him get angry after a bad goal or game, or after getting pulled. He just had that "it's ok, shake it off" look. Lack of confidence is different from mental weakness. Legace had mental weakness. Even though I believe he can turn it around in this last contract season, (if he stays) I'll be willing to concede that it's time for him to move on if it's the same result, but that's provided he gets a fair shot. Jimmy's  game in NYR early last season got Blashills bingo wheel of doom rolling, and it never stopped. Starting Coreau while he had a 4.00 GAA at one point, while Mrazek could have benefitted from that waste of time.

We shall see.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

1 hour ago, Echolalia said:

The last person I want in net is someone with a fragile ego and the ability to get shaken easily.  If Mraz can't handle the pressure of something as basic as a qualified starter backing him up, how can you reasonably expect him to handle real adversity (which he has also struggled with)?

Exactly.  He's mentally fragile and has an entitled attitude

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

This is the thread I've waited all season to read. Thank you all. Bye bye Petr the not so great.

[Frozen-Man 144]

19 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

How many of you guys are disappointed that I'm not the one going nuts?

 

[LeftWinger 4,743]

11 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

This is the thread I've waited all season to read. Thank you all. Bye bye Petr the not so great.

...as they select Helm and Petr takes the job Again!

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Just now, LeftWinger said:

...as they select Helm and Petr takes the job Again!

If this happens I will burn all my jerseys and tattoo and image of peter griffin with Mrazek's face on my left butt cheek in your honor

[Jacksoni 418]

To me the only surprise is the Mrazek outing and that has been discussed to hell and back in this thread. My take on that is two-fold:

- Holland knows Las Vegas most likely will Not pick Mrazek (for us unknown reasons), thereby exposing him.

AND

- At the same time, exposing him sends a signal to Mrazek as much as to anyone else. He is not the heir to the goalie throne, the job has to be earned and he has not shown any earning this past season. If hand comes to shove, he will get canned in some form not mentionable here, since that most likely would involve a complicated trade. Earn your keep or crawl back to whatever hole you got up from, basically.

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[SwedeLundin77 460]

The point with all this Mrazek exposure stuff is that we truly don't know what's happening behind closed doors.  We can speculate all day long, but we really have zero reliable information.  I don't care for Ken Holland much anymore and do think this team needs an organizational shift, but I am at least willing to wait until after the draft to cry bloody murder over what he does/doesn't do.  He and McPhee are close (from what I've read), so it could be very likely that he has a deal worked out with him in some form (not involving futures on Kenny's end).

Other than the side deal route, I just don't see Vegas taking anyone other than Sheahan, Ouellet, or Sproul....  low-risk moves that don't break their bank.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

20 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

The point with all this Mrazek exposure stuff is that we truly don't know what's happening behind closed doors.  We can speculate all day long, but we really have zero reliable information.  I don't care for Ken Holland much anymore and do think this team needs an organizational shift, but I am at least willing to wait until after the draft to cry bloody murder over what he does/doesn't do.  He and McPhee are close (from what I've read), so it could be very likely that he has a deal worked out with him in some form (not involving futures on Kenny's end).

Other than the side deal route, I just don't see Vegas taking anyone other than Sheahan, Ouellet, or Sproul....  low-risk moves that don't break their bank.

I'll tell you what's going on. It's over. He's gone. The world you lived in before this was a lie. This is a Jimmy Howard world.

 

[kickazz 5,459]

LGW.com a place where people are know-it-alls but absolutely know nothing. 

At least wait till Holland talks about it, probably after the expansion draft on Wednesday. 

 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

14 minutes ago, kickazz said:

LGW.com a place where people are know-it-alls but absolutely know nothing. 

At least wait till Holland talks about it, probably after the expansion draft on Wednesday. 

 

[THATANK911 17]

Been a while since been on. Been traveling hard of late. Like the list honestly. Think Howard is a risk forsure, no doubt. Hasn't stayed healthy. But he outplayed petr last season by a lot. Plus wife is a Howard fan. Happy wife happy life. Saves me money on a jersey.

[chaps80 1,591]

To me the only surprise is the Mrazek outing and that has been discussed to hell and back in this thread. My take on that is two-fold:

- Holland knows Las Vegas most likely will Not pick Mrazek (for us unknown reasons), thereby exposing him.

AND

- At the same time, exposing him sends a signal to Mrazek as much as to anyone else. He is not the heir to the goalie throne, the job has to be earned and he has not shown any earning this past season. If hand comes to shove, he will get canned in some form not mentionable here, since that most likely would involve a complicated trade. Earn your keep or crawl back to whatever hole you got up from, basically.

 

He MIGHT know they won't take him, but why not give some kind of explanation. He was one of the biggest surprises to not be protected on any roster. At least with Florida keeping Reimer over Luongo, it's the age factor. And Pittsburgh keeping Murray over Fleury is a combination of age, and Murray being the better goalie. Howard over Mrazek is just one huge WTF? Neither have done much the past season or two to really stake claim to the top job. Had Jimmy been healthy all season and kept those numbers up? That might be an answer. But there is no clear answer. It's like he spun a wheel with all the goalies names on it and landed on Howard. Lol

 

 

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[kickazz 5,459]

1 minute ago, chaps80 said:

 

He MIGHT know they won't take him, but why not give some kind of explanation. He was one of the biggest surprises to not be protected on any roster. At least with Florida keeping Reimer over Luongo, it's the age factor. And Pittsburgh keeping Murray over Fleury is a combination of age, and Murray being the better goalie. Howard over Mrazek is just one huge WTF? Neither have done much the past season or two to really stake claim to the top job. Had Jimmy been healthy all season and kept those numbers up? That might be an answer. But there is no clear answer. It's like he spun a wheel with all the goalies names on it and landed on Mrazek. Lol


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Wow will you calm down? First he doesn't have to explain anything to us. Second he declined to comment on the day of. The draft hasn't even happened yet. Just sit tight lmao. 

[kliq 3,753]

4 hours ago, GoalieManPat said:

If they take Fleury they aren't taking Mrazek. I don't believe they are going to take a goalie just to trade him. The goalie market is so saturated right now there is no profit. They are better off stocking up on extra Dmen if they intend to trade right away.

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I think I tend to agree with this. If there was a strong trade market for Mrazek, one would think Holland would have traded him. Why would LV want to waste a pick on a goalie that they will not be able to trade for assets greater then what they could have gotten for a player like Sheahan who could likely be traded for a 2nd round pick.

[chaps80 1,591]

Wow will you calm down? First he doesn't have to explain anything to us. Second he declined to comment on the day of. The draft hasn't even happened yet. Just sit tight lmao. 

I'm calm. Just thinking out loud. Least there's activity on these boards now.


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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, kliq said:

I think I tend to agree with this. If there was a strong trade market for Mrazek, one would think Holland would have traded him. Why would LV want to waste a pick on a goalie that they will not be able to trade for assets greater then what they could have gotten for a player like Sheahan who could likely be traded for a 2nd round pick.

That will be the kicker, if Holland doesn't trade Mrazek, lets him go to Vegas for free, then Vegas trades Mrazek. That would look really bad on Holland. With that in mind, maybe there really is no trade market for Mrazek. Maybe Vegas really will take Sheahan/Ouellet/Sproul.

Holland is a strange gambler

[kliq 3,753]

9 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

 

He MIGHT know they won't take him, but why not give some kind of explanation. He was one of the biggest surprises to not be protected on any roster. At least with Florida keeping Reimer over Luongo, it's the age factor. And Pittsburgh keeping Murray over Fleury is a combination of age, and Murray being the better goalie. Howard over Mrazek is just one huge WTF? Neither have done much the past season or two to really stake claim to the top job. Had Jimmy been healthy all season and kept those numbers up? That might be an answer. But there is no clear answer. It's like he spun a wheel with all the goalies names on it and landed on Mrazek. Lol


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If Holland is trying to send a message, saying publicly "I know LV is not going to take him, McPhee told me they are taking player X instead, this was just done to send a message" completely kills the message.

The message needs to read to Mrazek "We dont need you, don't think you are bigger then the team, get your s*** together".

[kickazz 5,459]

Whoever expects Holland to speak and give away his managerial strategies (whatever they are if at all) before the draft doesn't understand management much.

I wonder if Mrazek requested to be traded/exposed