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13 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

My point wasn't that he's 100% going to play center, it's that thus far he has been used mostly on the wing. So your "except he's a natural center" comment doesn't hold much weight, if he's not currently, nor overly likely to play there in the future.

I don't agree with coaching / management trying to turn every player into a defensive ace. However, I do think Athanasiou is the type of player that should be coached to play defense. He has the speed and stick to be a pick pocket wizard on the back-check.

However, I think they use him on the PK, more so for his ability to create offensive opportunities than to sit back and play defense. Helm is one of the better penalty killers in the league, and I think for the same reason, they think AA can be a very good PKer. It's not like he sits back and blocks a ton of shots, he more so uses his speed and active stick to get in passing / shooting lanes. He's able to use his speed to drag the puck, and if timed properly can create breakaway opportunities.

 I feel AA should be let loose, and allowed to utilize his speed/ability to generate scoring chances that the Wings seem to lack.

Blashill going on, and on about players committing to become better defensively is getting stale.

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3 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

 I feel AA should be let loose, and allowed to utilize his speed/ability to generate scoring chances that the Wings seem to lack.

Blashill going on, and on about players committing to become better defensively is getting stale.

Im a big fan of the babcock system, but yeah i almost think the rest of the team should be taught one defensive scheme, and then Larkin and AA told to just do them.

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Defense is good.  Defense at the cost of having little offensive attack is bad.  I prefer the best defense is a good offense approach.  Blashill seems to prefer sitting in a shell all game getting out shot, as long as most of those shots aren't "prime" chances.  That's a loser mentality.  Let's try to not lose and hope the other team makes some mistakes that we can capitalize on, as opposed to let's force them to make mistakes through pressure.

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9 hours ago, Shaman said:

Being able to play at least decent defense is what separates someone on the third line from the top 6. If you're playing against the other team's best talent, you don't get to pass on defending.

The problem is, Blashill doesn't seem to want decent defense, he expects everyone to have a defense first mentality.  He's like a not very bright politician sticking to a few buzz words in an interview.  Defend.  Heavy on the puck.  Play heavy.  Good in corners.  Net front.  Blah blah blah.  While he does that, he ignores his players' strengths and tries to fit them into his predetermined roles he wants them to play.

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24 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

The problem is, Blashill doesn't seem to want decent defense, he expects everyone to have a defense first mentality.  He's like a not very bright politician sticking to a few buzz words in an interview.  Defend.  Heavy on the puck.  Play heavy.  Good in corners.  Net front.  Blah blah blah.  While he does that, he ignores his players' strengths and tries to fit them into his predetermined roles he wants them to play.

To be fair, that's every politician and every hockey coach.

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38 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

The problem is, Blashill doesn't seem to want decent defense, he expects everyone to have a defense first mentality.  He's like a not very bright politician sticking to a few buzz words in an interview.  Defend.  Heavy on the puck.  Play heavy.  Good in corners.  Net front.  Blah blah blah.  While he does that, he ignores his players' strengths and tries to fit them into his predetermined roles he wants them to play.

What are you basing this on, though? We didn't do most of those things last year. If that's what he expects, he didn't get it. And in interviews, I never heard him say anything like "defence first."

I feel like people see are struggling offence from last year and just load the blame on Blashill. Sure, he deserves some, but much is just the state of the team. We had a lot of underperforming players (Larkin, Nyquist, Sheahan etc) new inconsistent guys (AA, Mantha) loss of Pav's production, Defence is kind of a mess and forwards are compensating by playing more D...

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3 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

The problem is, Blashill doesn't seem to want decent defense, he expects everyone to have a defense first mentality.  He's like a not very bright politician sticking to a few buzz words in an interview.  Defend.  Heavy on the puck.  Play heavy.  Good in corners.  Net front.  Blah blah blah.  While he does that, he ignores his players' strengths and tries to fit them into his predetermined roles he wants them to play.

There is so much baseless nonesense in this post, I can't even pick it apart. It's like finding a needle in a poopstack.

Blashill gives AA 63% offensive zone starts. Gives him PP time and gives him lesser competition. AA is Vanek 2.0 except he kills penalties because they want him to be versatile. 

Excuse Blashill for wanting more out of a player he thinks can do more. 

Edited by kickazz

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2 hours ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

What are you basing this on, though? We didn't do most of those things last year. If that's what he expects, he didn't get it. And in interviews, I never heard him say anything like "defence first."

I feel like people see are struggling offence from last year and just load the blame on Blashill. Sure, he deserves some, but much is just the state of the team. We had a lot of underperforming players (Larkin, Nyquist, Sheahan etc) new inconsistent guys (AA, Mantha) loss of Pav's production, Defence is kind of a mess and forwards are compensating by playing more D...

Granted - much of the issues this past season is on the players, but IMHO it also reflects on the coaching staff as well.

As I said on another thread - getting a competent coach behind the bench would probably see better results.

That said I must agree with DickieDunn in that Blashill appears to stunting the potential of some of the players by making them change-up their game, and their role.

Edited by F.Michael

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2 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Granted - much of the issues this past season is on the players, but IMHO it also reflects on the coaching staff as well.

As I said on another thread - getting a competent coach behind the bench would probably see better results.

That said I must agree with DickieDunn in that Blashill appears to stunting the potential of some of the players by making them change-up their game, and their role.

I agree that Blash didn't get the most out of the group, but when we talk just in overarching statements about Blash making everyone playing only defensive hockey it's not true and seems more like a caricature.

To talk specifically about the treatment of AA, for instance. AA really didn't play much of a defensive game. So why do people keep saying he was forced to play a defensive game? He was 12th in the league for goals per 60 minutes. So how can it be true that the style of play that he played stunted his offence? He scored a whole lot for the time he was given.

I think the valid complaint is the amount of time he was given. With a team as offensively starved as ours, we should have given more minutes to him and Vanek. But even in that, I think the choice is understandable at least. Offensive players that aren't defensive as well are usually given roles on the 3rd line unless they score like Ovechkin or Kane. That's what we also did with him and Vanek (and Minny and the Habs also did with Vanek).

And I don't think AA needed to be benched - especially with our under-performers. But the reasons were valid. AA did disappear for stretches. Blash's comment in these times weren't even much to do with defence and more just compete level:

"I think there's nights where he's real engaged and I think he's an outstanding player, nights where that engagement isn't the same, whether it's the competitive level or the engagement or the attention to detail," Blashill said. "It's just hopefully a maturation process for him that he can continue to make sure that every night that competitive level is at the level it needs to be to be successful in this league.

"It's a league where everybody's so close in talent ... if you don't compete like crazy, then it's hard to be successful. Compete means win puck battles, make sure that you don't get beat defensively. I talked to Ted Lindsay before the season and Ted said, 'Just make sure and tell those players if they go into the corner with another player and they don't come out with the puck, they're a horse-blank hockey player.' That's what it comes down to. Competitiveness, desire to win matters the most. It trumps talent."

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/12/jeff_blashill_red_wings_andrea.html

Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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6 hours ago, joesuffP said:

KHL offer has been on the table for months. If he didn't care to play in the NHL he would have signed a log time ago

Exactly. If Athanasiou had any interest in playing in the KHL, he would have signed a contract over there by now. He'll sign a contract with Detroit in the coming weeks. That I'm not concerned about, I just hope a deal gets worked out before training camp / preseason...

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Didnt the Trouba situation teach these guys anything? These RFA's have no leverage, they are just going to end up costing themselves money.

When its an RFA without arbitration rights its always to the teams advantage (unless its a McDavid type).

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1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Hmmmm, guy has same agent as AA. Neither have contracts and seem far apart in offers....

 

Wow same agent as AA? This guy must be ridiculous. I don't understand how players can be this naive and blindly listen to these guys.

1 hour ago, kliq said:

Didnt the Trouba situation teach these guys anything? These RFA's have no leverage, they are just going to end up costing themselves money.

When its an RFA without arbitration rights its always to the teams advantage (unless its a McDavid type).

Not to mention AA misses training camp, which can be pretty important to having a good start to the season. Say he gets signed later and has a slow start, screwing his own chances to rack up his stats to demand a high pay raise when the next time comes.

Again if it was me, I would have taken the $2 million and set myself up better for the next contract in the NHL. But millenials these days, they just want everything done for them, lazyasses!

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7 hours ago, kickazz said:

Wow same agent as AA? This guy must be ridiculous. I don't understand how players can be this naive and blindly listen to these guys.

Not to mention AA misses training camp, which can be pretty important to having a good start to the season. Say he gets signed later and has a slow start, screwing his own chances to rack up his stats to demand a high pay raise when the next time comes.

Again if it was me, I would have taken the $2 million and set myself up better for the next contract in the NHL. But millenials these days, they just want everything done for them, lazyasses!

If it were you, you'd keep arguing past the gm meeting your offer and raising it 25%.  You are the least agreeable person on the planet!!!

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7 hours ago, kickazz said:

Wow same agent as AA? This guy must be ridiculous. I don't understand how players can be this naive and blindly listen to these guys.

Actually, the same agent (Ferris) is working for Sam Bennett and the story was the same.. 

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13 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Hmmmm, guy has same agent as AA. Neither have contracts and seem far apart in offers....

 

Same agent as Tobias Rieder as well and Rieder didn't sign with the Yotes until Oct 3rd of last year. Looks like this agent has a history of playing hardball with these GMs. And if he doesn't get what he wants he threatens them with the KHL.

I feel that Andreas Athanasiou will resign back with the Wings in the next couple of days, A deal for 2 years $3.8 million is more then fair for AA.

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Only two remaining RFA's still without contracts and not attending camp, Athanasiou and Josh Anderson (CBJ), both of which are represented by the same agent, Darren Ferris. Apparently this guy has a reputation for playing hard ball with GM's. Anderson and his camp are not close to striking a deal with Columbus, but Athanasiou is getting close to a deal to stay in Detroit. Holland flew to Toronto on Saturday to meet with AA and Ferris, and his offer still stands at $1.9M x 2 years. I'm thinking he signs within the next couple days just north of that. Somewhere in the ballpark of $2M x 2 years.

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30 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

this guy has a reputation for playing hard ball with GM's

+ was doing the same with Flames Sam Bennett (he signed anyway)

I believe AA wants to play within the best deal they can make and it´s no more than 2M per when both Sproul (/LTIR) and Bertuzzi go down the waivers to AHL. 

Edited by Juklitz

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