LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 Guys, capfrieny.com still not showing this, are we sure it's real? Nm, just read McKenzie timeline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 so does Kenny make a trade or waive a couple of guys to get under the cap? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Probably waives Frk. Because trades are hard..... Edited March 14, 2018 by LeftWinger 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: It's crazy to me how people think Holland is still succeeding. You know what years of overpaying UFAs and not playing or paying your young talent gets you? All you have to do is open your eyes and watch our team, bro. Non playoff team. I'm actually happy you wrote this, kind of helps prove my point. People who blindly hate Holland (or create persona's that hate Holland lol) will bash Holland for everything and anything simply because it's Holland. They refuse to assess Holland fairly on individual moves, because they are fueled on emotion and since they are not happy with the overall direction are just negative on everything. Then when someone defends a specific move, you get a comment like this implying that if you do like the move, you are in support of Holland and his overall work. Or you get the even weaker response of being called "an apologist". Not the case. If THOUGHT A means you are upset with the state of this team and many of the contracts, by saying you you think Holland handled AA well, does not mean that THOUGHT A disappears. Its just like your non playoff team comment, anyone that watches can see we are a fringe team, and that is not a compliment, but the Holland haters are scared to even say that, as it fits their narrative better to say "we suck". I have gone on record many times in saying ALOT of the moves Holland makes are bad. I can go into details if anyone likes, but I don't see the point to keep going over the same things. Edited October 21, 2017 by kliq 2 krsmith17 and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 4 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Probably waives Frk. Because trades are hard..... He’d get claimed again and kept this time. He got him back once after losing him. Hopefully he’s learned. But yeah, trade Sheahan. Pittsburgh wants him. It’s an easy move. Holland likes easy moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 Guy signs for less than he originally was offered. Played his hand really early. Kenny knew a young kid doesn't want to play in Russia. AA went to Switzerland to once again pretend he was interested in playing overseas. Once again his bluff was called. Holland got him signed for less money. Kenny won't get any credit for it. Pretty simple 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 13 hours ago, kliq said: I assume the 1.38 number is what the cap hit will be, meaning its technically 1.5 or something, brought down to that. But thats just a guess. I was actually thinking the opposite. It's $1.387M but he'll still only get paid the amount Holland originally offered ($1.25M for one year). Didn't Athanasiou already lose around $150K or something for sitting the first 8 games? Maybe Athanasiou said he'd agree to sign, if he can still get approximately the same amount as the original offer... Who knows, I could be way off... 1 hour ago, puckbags said: Guy signs for less than he originally was offered. Played his hand really early. Kenny knew a young kid doesn't want to play in Russia. AA went to Switzerland to once again pretend he was interested in playing overseas. Once again his bluff was called. Holland got him signed for less money. Kenny won't get any credit for it. Pretty simple He actually signed for slightly more than the original offer of $1.25M for one season. Not sure if he'll get all of that or not though. We'll see when the contract is actually finalized... 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 it was all a biding your time ploy by Kenny and AA! Kenny needed a few weeks to sort out a trade that would be of use to us. AA played ball by stalling on his deal giving Kenny enough time to trigger the trade and be enough under the cap to get AA on board to. We now wait to see what mega deal our GM has pulled off. Sheahan and his $2.1m cap hit to the Pens for 6th round pick and Andrey Pedan. Ouellet and his $1.25m cap hit to the Canadiens for MICHAEL MCCARRON Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 I don't give a s*** how they solve the cap stuff. Just waive some bums. Yes Sheahan is part of that designation, just drop him if he can't be traded. Yes I know about the Pittsburgh rumors. With that said I would like to welcome back one of the most promising prospects in the last.. 5+? years. Don't give a bullcrap if he's a pain in the locker room. Just go out there. Do your stuff. Follow the system and good things will follow. It is a Business. Your ticket and television money pays for it. Not your bitching. Who would you rather watch - Sheahan or Athanasiou? 1 xault reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I was actually thinking the opposite. It's $1.387M but he'll still only get paid the amount Holland originally offered ($1.25M for one year). Didn't Athanasiou already lose around $150K or something for sitting the first 8 games? Maybe Athanasiou said he'd agree to sign, if he can still get approximately the same amount as the original offer... This would be my guess. Starting today, a $1.387M contract value would pay ~$1.25M over the remainder of the season. The math seems to fit the theory. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Andy Pred 48 said: Sheahan and his $2.1m cap hit to the Pens for 6th round pick and Andrey Pedan. That would be a terrible trade for us. If we're trading Sheahan, it should be for a mid to high pick (2nd or 3rd). 36 minutes ago, Andy Pred 48 said: Ouellet and his $1.25m cap hit to the Canadiens for MICHAEL MCCARRON I'd do that trade for sure. It's a trade I've actually mentioned in the past. Not sure if the Habs would pull the trigger though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: I was actually thinking the opposite. It's $1.387M but he'll still only get paid the amount Holland originally offered ($1.25M for one year). Didn't Athanasiou already lose around $150K or something for sitting the first 8 games? Maybe Athanasiou said he'd agree to sign, if he can still get approximately the same amount as the original offer... Who knows, I could be way off... I would agree. The whole 1.3878347u294723984 number is so weird that has to be the reason after adjustments to bring it down to $1.25. If that's the case Holland won and AA's agent needs to be fired for doing absolutely nothing positive for AA. But even if that's not right AA is making 100k more than Hollands original offer.... Congratulations AA's agent, you possibly let your client get $100k more while wasting away his life from hockey. No training camp, missing out on 15 games or so of hockey experience (by the time the work visa is reinstated). A real champion of an agent. Fckin idiot. 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: He actually signed for slightly more than the original offer of $1.25M for one season. Not sure if he'll get all of that or not though. We'll see when the contract is actually finalized... I think he meant the extra $600 k per he would have gotten had he done the 2 year deal. Edited October 21, 2017 by kickazz 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 trade him for dman now thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: That would be a terrible trade for us. If we're trading Sheahan, it should be for a mid to high pick (2nd or 3rd). I'd do that trade for sure. It's a trade I've actually mentioned in the past. Not sure if the Habs would pull the trigger though... its about getting $ off the books smiffy, if Sheahan was playing anywhere near his potential it would be a no goer, but he's 8 games in and pointless and so unless he has a massive production swing hes the most likely trade chip at the moment, were getting a 3rd back in the shape of Pedan, whom could be a late bloomer and a 6th.Its a numbers game on this one, it maybe a bad trade on paper,but when needs must something has to give. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted October 21, 2017 If it has to be a trade...Sheahan + Ouellet to BUF for Girgensons. Oh, just saw we traded Sproul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 8 hours ago, kliq said: I'm actually happy you wrote this, kind of helps prove my point. People who blindly hate Holland (or create persona's that hate Holland lol) will bash Holland for everything and anything simply because it's Holland. They refuse to assess Holland fairly on individual moves, because they are fueled on emotion and since they are not happy with the overall direction are just negative on everything. Then when someone defends a specific move, you get a comment like this implying that if you do like the move, you are in support of Holland and his overall work. Or you get the even weaker response of being called "an apologist". Not the case. If THOUGHT A means you are upset with the state of this team and many of the contracts, by saying you you think Holland handled AA well, does not mean that THOUGHT A disappears. Its just like your non playoff team comment, anyone that watches can see we are a fringe team, and that is not a compliment, but the Holland haters are scared to even say that, as it fits their narrative better to say "we suck". I have gone on record many times in saying ALOT of the moves Holland makes are bad. I can go into details if anyone likes, but I don't see the point to keep going over the same things. This, this and more this! It's sad that there are fans that are so blinded by their confirmation bias for Holland that they are incapable of viewing each of his moves on their individual merit. 9 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Exactly. Neo acts like we won the Stanley Cup last year and Ken Holland's model is flawless. It's crazy to me how people think Holland is still succeeding. You know what years of overpaying UFAs and not playing or paying your young talent gets you? All you have to do is open your eyes and watch our team, bro. Non playoff team. Is there a substantive argument in there somewhere that I am missing? 2 krsmith17 and kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 I wonder if AA will do the same thing next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Barrie said: I wonder if AA will do the same thing next year? He'll have arbritration rights so if they don't find a deal he can go to the arbiter to decide. He could hold out on the deal that is decided through that process (Hudler-style) and play in the KHL, but there wouldn't be this prolonged stalemate. 2 Barrie and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Go back to my previous posts. Smith - hated. We lost a first round pick with lots of time invested. Tatar - liked. Daley - hated. Athanasiou - hated (the way it was handled). Sproul - meh. Sheahan - hated. We lost a 1st rnd pick with lots of time invested. What does that even matter? It's where they are as players now, where they were drafted is a moot point unless the topic is how successful was the 2010 draft. Besides, we got Matt Puempel today who was also a 1st round pick, so it all evens out with your logic anyways. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 20 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: It matters. If you spend 4 years developing a player you spent a 1st round pick on and then trade him for a 7th round pick, you set the team back. No, the pick didnt pan out. Sunk Cost. Mistake was made in 2010, not 2017. You can't hold on to a player because of what he used to be worth, you have to be able to make the tough decision and give him up when the time is right. And again, with your logic that means the Sproul trade was a huge win soley based on the fact that we traded a 2nd round pick for a 1st round pick. Again, where they were picked doesnt matter in 2017. You want to criticize Holland for taking Sheahan, go for it. You want to criticize the organization as a whole for not developing Sheahan better, go for it. But to criticize the Wings for trading him because he was a 1st rounder 7 years ago......not valid. 3 krsmith17, xtrememachine1 and Jacksoni reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: It matters. If you spend 4 years developing a player you spent a 1st round pick on and then trade him for a 7th round pick, you set the team back. You're right. I'm starting to wonder about our scouts ability. It seems as though Holland keeps having to clean up their busts with these trades he's been doing. Interesting to see your support of Holland. You may be onto something about the scouts doing a poor job though. Edited October 22, 2017 by kickazz 2 kliq and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoveMyRedWings56 73 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Barrie said: I wonder if AA will do the same thing next year? AA will have arbitration rights next summer, If he has a good year this year. Next summer he should get a decent salary probably in the $3 million+ neighborhood. 1 Barrie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacksoni 418 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, LoveMyRedWings56 said: AA will have arbitration rights next summer, If he has a good year this year. Next summer he should get a decent salary probably in the $3 million+ neighborhood. Yep. Want to see how he looks, hoping that he has polished away some of his flaws. Kid's got a huge ceiling if he pans out. Now he has to show to earn it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Remember Jakun Kindl? Another beauty. Who? 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted October 22, 2017 20 minutes ago, e_prime said: Who? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakun_people 1 1 Euro_Twins and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites