Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

Bouchard just seems like such a boooring pick. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Bouchard just seems like such a boooring pick. 

... You seem like a boring pick.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

6 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Bouchard just seems like such a boooring pick. 

 

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

... You seem like a boring pick.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=booring

booring

A splice of the English 'boring' and 'boor.' This delightful wordplay, suggests the combination of extreme boredom and a kind of passive rudeness that is so contemptuous as to make one wish to vomit. 

[Dabura 12,207]

On 6/11/2018 at 6:49 AM, krsmith17 said:

What about 7th overall?

nah

[The Datsyukian Deke 127]

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/6/11/16710742/book-review-scouten-by-hakan-andersson

I think I'll buy it when the English version gets released.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

54 minutes ago, The Datsyukian Deke said:

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/6/11/16710742/book-review-scouten-by-hakan-andersson

I think I'll buy it when the English version gets released.

BLICK FOR TALANG!

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

What has Hakan done for this org. lately? 

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

What has Hakan done for this org. lately? 

NOTHING!

Holmstrom? Maybe...

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

4 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

What has Hakan done for this org. lately? 

Hakan hasn't lost his touch, he just has more competition these days. Guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg would never last until the 6th or 7th round before being picked anymore. What made Hakan seem like a genius is that he found players that were draft worthy that other scouts hadn't scouted, and therefore could be taken later. Other teams have caught up and you can't get away with that anymore. If you pick a guy like Datsyuk or Z  in the 2nd or 3rd round (which they would have been if other teams knew about them) instead of the 6th or the 7th, your "genius" label goes away.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

10 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

What has Hakan done for this org. lately? 

He blicked for talang dude

[SwedeLundin77 460]

50 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

What has Hakan done for this org. lately? 

5 Year Snapshot:

2013:
   #199 - Hampus Melen (W/C)
      Has not signed an ELC with Detroit (still lanky so not likely to work out)
   #79 - Mattias Janmark (C/W)
      3rd line RW for Dallas (solidified role 19 goals and 34 points in 81 games last season)
          * We lost him in the Cole trade

2014:
   #201 - Alexander Kadeykin (C)
      Bust (has failed to improve in KHL)
   #196 - Axel Holmstrom (C)
      Could be a solid 3rd line center soon
   #166 - Julius Vahatalo (LW/C)
      Has not signed an ELC with Detroit
   #106 - Christoffer Ehn (C)
      Will play his first season in GR

2015:
   #110 - Joren Van Pottelberghe (G)
      Only 21, still a work in progress, playing second season for HC Davos

2016:
   #197 - Mattias Elfstrom (W/C)
      Still developing in Allsvanskan
   #167 - Filip Larsson (G)
      Tore it up in first season in USHL and going to UDenver this fall. Could very well be our future #1
   #107 - Alfons Malmstrom (D)
      Projects to be a big stay at home D. Too early to tell.
      
   #53 - Filip Hronek (D)
      Tore up his first season in GR. Should be a top 4 with Wings by next season.

2017:
   #100 - Malte Setkov (D)
      Too early to tell, had a good season
   #38 - Gustav Lindstrom (D)
       Improved in second season with Allsvenskan and will be playing in SHL this upcoming season.

Edited June 12, 2018 by SwedeLundin77

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

25 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Hakan hasn't lost his touch, he just has more competition these days. Guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg would never last until the 6th or 7th round before being picked anymore. What made Hakan seem like a genius is that he found players that were draft worthy that other scouts hadn't scouted, and therefore could be taken later. Other teams have caught up and you can't get away with that anymore. If you pick a guy like Datsyuk or Z  in the 2nd or 3rd round (which they would have been if other teams knew about them) instead of the 6th or the 7th, your "genius" label goes away.

Cool story. File under "D'uhhhh"

How bout this instead. Name me one decent prospect Andersson has had a hand in drafting recently. All the good ones (and 2nd round gems like Bertuzzi) have been based on the work of other scouts. 

Hronek? Was that Hakan? Maybe this Lindstrom kid pans out. 

Edited June 12, 2018 by The 91 of Ryans
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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Cool story. File under "D'uhhhh"

How bout this instead. Name me one decent prospect Andersson has had a hand in drafting recently. All the good ones (and 2nd round gems like Bertuzzi) have been based on the work of other scouts. 

Hronek? Was that Hakan? Maybe this Lindstrom kid pans out. 

Hronek was probably scouted at least once by Hakan before being drafted, but he's definitely not a Hakan find. Czech isn't Hakan's territory.

Off the top of my head the only recent successful Hakan picks have been Janmark and Jarnkrok, ironically both are no longer with the team. Hopefully Holmstrom joins them as a success story soon.

Then there's Setkov, Malmstrom, Elfstrom, Larsson, Lindstrom, Vahatalo, Ehn, Van Pottelberghe, Melen, Pulkkinen, Backman, and Bodin... there's still time for the first 8, but yeah a lot of swings and misses from Hakan over the last 8 or so years.... Thing is, pulling 3 possible NHL players out of about 15 picks, is still pretty good by draft standards... he just hasn't had a homerun type pick since Nyquist in 2008

[SwedeLundin77 460]

20 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Cool story. File under "D'uhhhh"

How bout this instead. Name me one decent prospect Andersson has had a hand in drafting recently. All the good ones (and 2nd round gems like Bertuzzi) have been based on the work of other scouts. 

Hronek? Was that Hakan? Maybe this Lindstrom kid pans out. 

Andersson, along with several other scouts who work under him, has the responsibility of monitoring every league in Europe where future NHL talent might be found. From September to April every year he watches around 200 hockey games looking for players whose skill sets indicate they could be a fit for the Detroit Red Wings system. Starting in Stockholm, he moves on to cover the rest of Sweden, then Finland, and will sometimes go as far as the Czech Republic and Russia.

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Hronek was probably scouted at least once by Hakan before being drafted, but he's definitely not a Hakan find. Czech isn't Hakan's territory.

Off the top of my head the only recent successful Hakan picks have been Janmark and Jarnkrok, ironically both are no longer with the team. Hopefully Holmstrom joins them as a success story soon.

Then there's Setkov, Malmstrom, Elfstrom, Larsson, Lindstrom, Vahatalo, Ehn, Van Pottelberghe, Melen, Pulkkinen, Backman, and Bodin... there's still time for the first 8, but yeah a lot of swings and misses from Hakan over the last 8 or so years.... Thing is, pulling 3 possible NHL players out of about 15 picks, is still pretty good by draft standards... he just hasn't had a homerun type pick since Nyquist in 2008

Right, and what is missed in all of this is how many swings and misses did he have back in the Zetterberg, Franzen, Datsyuk time frame? Before that? I think this whole thing is blown out of perspective because he happened to find some late gems. The guy has been a scout for the Wings since 1990.

Edited June 12, 2018 by SwedeLundin77

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Hronek was probably scouted at least once by Hakan before being drafted, but he's definitely not a Hakan find. Czech isn't Hakan's territory.

Off the top of my head the only recent successful Hakan picks have been Janmark and Jarnkrok, ironically both are no longer with the team. Hopefully Holmstrom joins them as a success story soon.

Then there's Setkov, Malmstrom, Elfstrom, Larsson, Lindstrom, Vahatalo, Ehn, Van Pottelberghe, Melen, Pulkkinen, Backman, and Bodin... there's still time for the first 8, but yeah a lot of swings and misses from Hakan over the last 8 or so years.... Thing is, pulling 3 possible NHL players out of about 15 picks, is still pretty good by draft standards... he just hasn't had a homerun type pick since Nyquist in 2008

 

50 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

5 Year Snapshot:

2013:
   #199 - Hampus Melen (W/C)
      Has not signed an ELC with Detroit (still lanky so not likely to work out)
   #79 - Mattias Janmark (C/W)
      3rd line RW for Dallas (solidified role 19 goals and 34 points in 81 games last season)
          * We lost him in the Cole trade

2014:
   #201 - Alexander Kadeykin (C)
      Bust (has failed to improve in KHL)
   #196 - Axel Holmstrom (C)
      Could be a solid 3rd line center soon
   #166 - Julius Vahatalo (LW/C)
      Has not signed an ELC with Detroit
   #106 - Christoffer Ehn (C)
      Will play his first season in GR

2015:
   #110 - Joren Van Pottelberghe (G)
      Only 21, still a work in progress, playing second season for HC Davos

2016:
   #197 - Mattias Elfstrom (W/C)
      Still developing in Allsvanskan
   #167 - Filip Larsson (G)
      Tore it up in first season in USHL and going to UDenver this fall. Could very well be our future #1
   #107 - Alfons Malmstrom (D)
      Projects to be a big stay at home D. Too early to tell.
      
   #53 - Filip Hronek (D)
      Tore up his first season in GR. Should be a top 4 with Wings by next season.

2017:
   #100 - Malte Setkov (D)
      Too early to tell, had a good season
   #38 - Gustav Lindstrom (D)
       Improved in second season with Allsvenskan and will be playing in SHL this upcoming season.

So is this really "Scouten" worthy? Or his he riding the fumes of a couple of good drafts? And if so, how does he get a free pass when Holland is ZORG WORST EVA TIRE KICKA!!

[amato 3,210]

Hampus Melen is just a late bloomer. Just you wait and see  

[SwedeLundin77 460]

I'm bored, so if we go back to 1990 when Hakan started... here we go (obviously some of these may not be his "find" but they were more than likely scouted by him at least once (which led to the decision to draft them):

1990 - #45 Vyacheslav Kozlov (LW)
                   1182 games, 853 points
1993 - #22 Anders Eriksson (D)
                   572 games, 176 points
1994 - #257 Tomas Holmstrom (LW)
                    1026 games, 530 points
1998 - #171 Pavel Datsyuk (C)
                    953 games, 918 points
1999 - #210 Henrik Zetterberg (C)
                    1082 games, 960 points
2000 - #29 Niklas Kronwall (D)
                    874 games, 405 points
           #38 Tomas Kopecky (RW)
                    578 games, 174 points
2002 - #58 Jiri Hudler (RW)
                   708 games, 428 points
           #63 Tomas Fleischmann (LW)
                    657 games, 335 points
           #95 Valtteri Filppula (C)
                    876 games, 463 points
           #291 Jonathan Ericsson (D)
                    610 games, 120 points
2004 - #97 Johan Franzen (RW)
                   602 games, 370 points
2008 - #121 Gustav Nyquist (RW)
                     419 games, 246 points
2009 - #60 Tomas Tatar (LW)
                     427 games, 228 points
2010 - #51 Calle Jarnkrok (C)
                    316 games, 123 points
2011 - #205 Alexey Marchenko (D)
                    121 games, 21 points

There are 16 picks total that turned out to be NHL players, some all-stars, some supporting cast. Of those 16, 11 were definitely Hakan "finds." Here's the kicker... since he started drafting (up until 2012), there had been 52 dud picks that didn't turn out from Europe. It just shows you the sheer volume of players that don't work out in the NHL. 

3 minutes ago, amato said:

Hampus Melen is just a late bloomer. Just you wait and see  

I really wanted a "Hampus" on the team.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, amato said:

Hampus Melen is just a late bloomer. Just you wait and see  

Looking for BottleOfSmoke after a Hampus Melen reference like...

[amato 3,210]

3 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

 

I really wanted a "Hampus" on the team.

 

One day we’ll get there. We’re not yet worthy of the honor. 

[SwedeLundin77 460]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

 

So is this really "Scouten" worthy? Or his he riding the fumes of a couple of good drafts? And if so, how does he get a free pass when Holland is ZORG WORST EVA TIRE KICKA!!

I don't know, it's a tough racket... If he can swing us a starting goalie in Larsson, a solid 3rd line grinder in Holmstrom, and 2 top 4 D in Hronek & Lindstrom (over the past 5 years)... it's better than nothing, but yeah. It's tough to judge him without looking around the league at comparables, which I have no interest in going down that road of data...

[amato 3,210]

5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Looking for BottleOfSmoke after a Hampus Melen reference like...

Butt pats all around! 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

8 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

I'm bored, so if we go back to 1990 when Hakan started... here we go (obviously some of these may not be his "find" but they were more than likely scouted by him at least once (which led to the decision to draft them):

1990 - #45 Vyacheslav Kozlov (LW)
                   1182 games, 853 points
1993 - #22 Anders Eriksson (D)
                   572 games, 176 points
1994 - #257 Tomas Holmstrom (LW)
                    1026 games, 530 points
1998 - #171 Pavel Datsyuk (C)
                    953 games, 918 points
1999 - #210 Henrik Zetterberg (C)
                    1082 games, 960 points
2000 - #29 Niklas Kronwall (D)
                    874 games, 405 points
           #38 Tomas Kopecky (RW)
                    578 games, 174 points
2002 - #58 Jiri Hudler (RW)
                   708 games, 428 points
           #63 Tomas Fleischmann (LW)
                    657 games, 335 points
           #95 Valtteri Filppula (C)
                    876 games, 463 points
           #291 Jonathan Ericsson (D)
                    610 games, 120 points
2004 - #97 Johan Franzen (RW)
                   602 games, 370 points
2008 - #121 Gustav Nyquist (RW)
                     419 games, 246 points
2009 - #60 Tomas Tatar (LW)
                     427 games, 228 points
2010 - #51 Calle Jarnkrok (C)
                    316 games, 123 points
2011 - #205 Alexey Marchenko (D)
                    121 games, 21 points

There are 16 picks total that turned out to be NHL players, some all-stars, some supporting cast. Of those 16, 11 were definitely Hakan "finds." Here's the kicker... since he started drafting (up until 2012), there had been 52 dud picks that didn't turn out from Europe. It just shows you the sheer volume of players that don't work out in the NHL. 

I really wanted a "Hampus" on the team.

 

[SwedeLundin77 460]

6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

 

I have 2013-2017 in another post.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Draft weekend can’t get here any sooner...

I like the offseason... no mods

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

6 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

I have 2013-2017 in another post.

Right. The list was so underwhelming, I already forgot about it